I really do not care whether or not people use Nelf zones for Non-Nelf events. I think elitism is the root of many problems in the Argent Dawn RP community. I don’t care if you want to host a fashion night or karaoke night or any other social event in a set location. It’s never gonna be a perfect fit and thankfully(!) none of us are actually forced to interact with the kind of RP we don’t like.
I think it’s great people host these public events. Like it or not, a lot of effort goes into these initiatives. I’ve made good and bad experiences in Pandaren and non-Pandaren events in Pandaria. Restricting people to roleplay in a location is weird. Especially because on other days, when I use the TRP scanner in Pandaria locations, I actually barely see other Pandaren roleplayers there.
Same old argument, merely considering everything mere instances which are all in a vacuum by default. Shoutout to the Loa Calendar Homebrew that “everyone” was supposed to know about, or the many wars suddenly talked about in the Ghostlands and other situations because people REALLY WANTED RP-PVP campaigns.
They can create precedents, they can create a culture, and something that may end up cause people to scratch their heads at the very least, and at worst complain when the lore takes a turn that does not fit the “Very Realistic” headcanon.
Since when it is elitist to actually try to stick, not even with a more stringent knowledge of a zone, but to the vibe and the specific purpose of a setting and its situations? This always sounded to me like a justification not to engage with the setting you partake in, not a question of skill that many times seems to be the de-facto mask to put upon it.
It can be considered obsessive to a degree, I suppose, but when I see this:
I cannot avoid to agree to a degree. There are many of places, and the “cool oriental vibes” being too much of a priority is an eyebrow raiser.
Well thankfully I am in the Pandaren community on AD and I’ve heard personally that the event organisers are trying to integrate more Pandaren culture into the event, which I did say in my original post I thought was nice, and even stated that despite my characters ic opinions or grievances, I like the idea of a market event, they’re good fun. I do also think these events could try a bit harder with the actual event activity taking place and the set dressing used to frame that.
Again my post was never trying to dictate the whims of an RP community (one that cannot hear us at that, which has already been pointed out). It was me trying to reconcile between the two viewpoints and state my opinion on the matter overall.
If those communities have issue with such, I think it would not be unfair to hear them out, as stated with the dracthyr fellow. I think it’s important to consider who resides in a space when you decide to plan a large community event, because the best case scenario is you get them involved! The worst case scenario, you alienate that community from ever interacting in the first place. And I do feel personally that the initial usage of Dawn’s Blossom was a little bit ignorant of the communities that already reside there (though again, it is getting better. Hope for the future!)
I don’t think Wu’s original post was ever them trying to demand anything, as someone who knows them personally. Only an exasperated expression of their frustration. Did it derail the thread when it turned into an argument? Maybe a little bit. But I also can’t say I don’t see where it’s coming from because I do quite a bit, or say that the other Pandaren community members who spoke up have not been respectful for the most part on their thoughts.
I think there is indeed value to this, to begin with, being the most clear case.
However, Roleplay for the sake of Roleplay may not always be the best bet, so I’d even leave those zones alone in general even if there was no one around, if there is not an initiative that feels organic and relatable to the ~vibes~. It’s good to have activity, and maybe one may seem too stringent and nosy, but for something public in a zone specific, I’d expect the specific, too. Especially if it is a village or a general spot and not something used as a mere background.
Having skimmed though all 80 or so comments: While I understand the overall concerns of the Pandaren posters; I really think this is a moot issue.
Mainly because the market - and here’s the onion - Only happens once a week on a Tuesday night. That’s one Pandaren settlement - among a whole continent - used for one RP event for a few hours in one evening. It really isn’t that big of a deal, even if you strongly disagree with the whole thing.
Moreover, having dipped into a handful of markets there, I’ve found them to be pleasant and respectful events; with plenty of Pandaren RPers in attendance too.
And never once have I got the impression people were using it as a backdrop to their “exotic RP”, or a foreign colonization of Pandaria. The vast majority are simply people wanting to enjoy a nice event.
Frankly, I’m surprised at the sheer hostility being shown towards people who enjoy it. But there we go: Forums do be Forums every now and again…
TLDR: I get some of the criticism - I really do - but this isn’t a hill that’s worth dying on, and I think people are assuming way too much malice on the those who attend.
… That being said: Booty Bay or Ratchet do make more sense.
I don’t think anyone is saying anything remotely close to this and instead the complaint is about people just treating pandaria as their colonized oriental backdrop OOC rather than putting in the slightest thought of how to make events fit IC.
I’m surprised you didn’t also bring up the fact that the kirin tor did have a very recent presence in the dragon isles during DF. So there’s a reason why they would still linger/return there.
Presumably? It’s the city of the nightborne who are part of the Horde, it’s also seen in the vulpera recruitment questline where there’s Horde in the city. There’s nothing presumably about it.
This is a very ironic statement bc this is the experience I’ve made in the Pandaren community itself and it’s even more ironic to consider that the person who argued against hosting ‘non-Pandaren events’ in Pandaria is in a guild called Ronin.
Contrary to Argent Dawn’s headcanons and beliefs, Pandaria is, in fact, not fantasy feudal Japan.
It was never meant to get this out of control, though. I just got… Uhh… Triggered, I suppose, by the whole “Not in my yard”-comment.
Yea it sucks the Market people are now settling into Dawn’s Blossom, and that they’re taking with them outlandish concepts that do not fit into Dawn’s Blossom. But I don’t see how a comment in the vein off “Go bother someone else”, which is basicly what was made by that same poster, is going to help at all. Those outlandish concepts won’t fit into Valdrakken, nor did it ever fit in Dalaran either.
For me it, in the end, it boiled down to the fact that 2 Guilds apparently have more rights to RP in Dawn’s Blossom then whats left of the Dalaran Market Community, because they fit the theme and the others don’t, even if, as stated above, the Dalaran Market community is trying to adapt and include Pandaren/Pandaria lore and customs into their roleplay.
Will it be perfect? No. Will it take time? Yes.
But atleast they’re trying, unlike the poster on this forum who justs wants them gone because they think Pandaria belongs to the Pandaren.
Which is literally what is choking the life out of RP, because here we have a community that is trying to adapt their RP to IC circumstance, only to be met with hostilility and people who claim Pandaria for their RP and who claim their Market RP does not fit the setting of said village(or really any location in Pandaria, apparently?). As per the whole “Go hold your market in Valdrakken and/or Val’sharah instead”-comment.
The amount of xenophobia I encountered in the Pandaren RP community IC was… something when I attended one of the tavern nights. Especially for a race that is known to value wisdom above all else, it took me really by surprise and made me rather not interact with the community at large anymore.
I’m not arguing against the potential of a morally grey Pandaren or a character who does not trust Horde or Alliance, BUT knowing most Pandaren RP in that community is done to roleplay some sort of bastardised fantasy furry version of Feudal Japan, is really, really ironic in this case. Don’t express the concern that being in an “exotic location” is wrong while tons of glaring Orientalist tropes/Orientalism are woven into your RP and guild name.
To all those saying yes of course Pandaren RPers should be on board with speed dating in the Shado-Pan monastery, just checking do you think man’ari eredar should be bartending in Stormwind too or do you look down on that
This is either an outright trolling, or deliberate spreading of blatant lies. This guild’s concept has nothing to do with Imperial Japan, and expecting the Pandaren RP to not include Oriental motives the whole race is built around, that would be a folly of the largest caliber.
There’s a difference between wanting them completely gone and asking for a level of cohesion with the backdrop that was chosen for the event. Setting a market event in a location like Dawn’s Blossom (that already has a market) is great but also requires you make some concessions to adapt what the market is like rather than move 1:1 what was going on in Dalaran. That’s the biggest point of contention with most events that use Pandaria - they tend to just ignore the context of where they are, so when someone who does use those zones considers trying it out, they’re left with this sour feeling of “why is this even here?”.
now you’re just yapping about things you don’t actually understand lol jesus
Yes, but now everyone is just ignoring the fact that the Market organisers actually agreed with the point and are adapting to the setting.
It won’t happen immediatly, but it is happening, but for some reason I get the feeling that it just isn’t enough for some people and they rather have them gone, even when they’re trying to adapt to the zone, culture and customs.
Edit: I feel like there is this consensus that just because they’re not Pandaren, they shouldn’t even hold the market there
It’s good that they’re moving towards doing that though! Ultimately this is just a series of posts that inevitably gets drowned in a flood of other posts, so some things will be lost in the middle. The best way to know will just be to see how things pan out and how it changes!
I really do not care whether or not people use Nelf zones for Non-Nelf events. I think elitism is the root of many problems in the Argent Dawn RP community. I don’t care if you want to host a fashion night or karaoke night or any other social event in a set location. It’s never gonna be a perfect fit and thankfully(!) none of us are actually forced to interact with the kind of RP we don’t like.
