Future of Dalaran and the Kirin Tor

Your guild’s namesake is Ronin—that’s a deliberate naming choice? That’s a legitimate historical term to refer to masterless Samurai in Feudal Japan. If you didn’t want your guild to be perceived as Feudal Panda Japan, maybe a different name could have been more fitting? More accurate to the setting?

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This is why people want to kill vulpera on sight.

I am also a part of this problem.
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Can you just not. Thanks.

I’ve got a job, thank you very much.

-… So you’re NEVER free? Your life consists out of working, RPing and sleeping? If that’s the case, I pity you.

You could literally just skip out on ONE evening of chit-chat second life bar RP to get your character up to 70. It’s literally easier than ever to level.

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What kinda argument is this I work and still can level up a character to 70 in like 2 days lol.

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Could you clarify what to not because you are calling me offended and toxic etcetera etcetera for it and I’m a bit confused considering it is a positive statement

Genuine skill issue

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Don’t you get it? That’s TOO MUCH work! That takes WAY TOO LONG!

How dare you suggest I level in an MMO RPG!

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Okay I will say - yeah, it doesn’t take that long to level to 70 - but also, like, that means playing the PvE side of things and frankly I get why people might not wanna do that for more than one character, and that’s not necessarily a skill issue or time commitment thing. Maybe a class you enjoyed in a previous expac isn’t as fun to play anymore (but you still like the character), or maybe you only want to have one character at the level cap and any alts you keep somewhat low level and around low level hubs. It’s not that inexplicable.

But also, like, don’t call people unemployed. Just generally bad tact tbh

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Dekarn is my favorite poster

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very true i have to decide for 500 years on a trp and the outfit and the character customization before i can even start leveling :pensive:

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Both parties should talk.
Come to a joint conclusion and make things better together going forward.
Markets can be fun and giving more pandaren flavour my give the race a bit more light and interest.

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I mean, I think a lot of the people in this thread have also displayed this train of thought, myself included with my post replying to Shogganosh about why Forsaken roleplayers don’t seem to be making a fuss about North roleplayers breaking the lore constantly.

The path of least resistance is to just move on. Either it’s not your cup of tea, and in which case who cares; or it’s people who don’t respect the setting or the lore you like and engage in, so, who cares? Things sure would be nicer if they were otherwise, but I am not about to drop an entire dissertation on ‘reasons why your stuff doesn’t make sense’ when I could just spend my time writing stuff I actually like.

https://i.imgur.com/mGqrElM.png

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Something that we should all keep in mind, the majority of people in this thread on both sides (including myself) are just talking heads voicing their irrelevant opinions. Voicing opinions may be what forums are for, but our opinions shouldn’t have any bearing on how these events are handled by the people who actually run them and enjoy them.

I think it’s more like “as a passionate fan of D&D, would you rather have multiple D&D groups in your town but some of them play it badly, or would you rather have your group be the only group in your town playing D&D.”

When the activity in question isn’t being disruptive of other RP and the people who dislike it haven’t expressed an interest in participating in the first place, it does come across as a little “stop having fun in a way that I don’t like.”
I agree that events that occur in Pandaria should ideally focus on the continent, and I get that pandaren is one of those races with a very passionate following, but I also understand why some people would be put off by the way these opinions are being expressed.

And I still maintain that the pandaren have been canonically demonstrated to be a very welcoming and generous people, with a culture built around combatting negative emotions such as anger and hatred, so I do believe that it makes some sense for a pandaren to host market events on the neutral ground of Pandaria, for all of the people of Azeroth to enjoy.
This really should be hosted by a pandaren rather than outsiders just inviting themselves to Pandaria, but I see nothing wrong with this and I don’t believe that there’s any canonical evidence that any significant number of NPC pandaren would react to such market events with hostility and/or cynicism.

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Not me ? right thats it you’re my least favourite poster now with your 1 post >:(

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I’d agree with you if it wasn’t extremely fast.

Yes, levelling IS quite boring, but getting to 70 should at least be the bare minimum so that you can AT LEAST visit every zone in the game.

What if someone hosted a public event in Dornogal? Should they be forced to relocate so that people who don’t want to bother levelling can attend too?

“Don’t you get it? I NEED to come up with 15 titles that you can only see by opening up my TRP and hovering your mouse over them!”

I’ve got nothing to reply to this with besides that I think you’re exactly right.

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No, but it should at least be acknowledged as a limiting factor - not everyone is going to be able to attend if it’s hosted there. If the organiser’s okay with that fact then go ahead - they don’t have to make it open to everyone, after all - but it is a barrier to entry.

And also there is something disheartening honestly about doing the whole levelling thing only to not find what you’re looking for. Like sure, it only takes one or two days - but that is one or two days someone can spend doing anything else. It’s not nothing - that’s a weekend, y’know?

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(Bravely) I think if you’re playing a Dalarani/someone who is in Dalaran 24/7 to visit Primark you should maybe possibly be the level required to experience the city’s narrative, or should I say current lack of a narrative post-Exodar-moment. It isn’t really “privileged” or “difficult” or “extreme” or “exclusive” to be level 70 in this game so you can go to Dornogal, which is currently where 99.9% of the Kirin Tor refugees are stationed.

Dornogal, coincidentally, also being where 99.9% of canonical relief aid is occurring post-Dalaran fall.

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