Correct me if I’m wrong but ‘Kirin Tor laws’ have never really existed or been much of a point outside of Dalaran aside from what guilds try to enforce as THE LAW.
I can tell you, while it might happen in RP cause of slice of Life RPers, this does not actually hold true in lore, at all.
Penitents are hardly a thing on Azeroth as they and the Lightforged work, for the most part, on Argus.
Death Knights and Darkfallen do not sctually roam the cities, at all, instead sticking to the out of reach places hunting down their targets. You won’t see any Undead(of any sort and race) or Demon(pets, playable or half-) roam the cities searching for the next big fashion trend, or being in the vicinity of kids at al.
At most you’d have Varian’s Court Conjurer, who was a Warlock, but she was the exception and deffo not the rule.
Whats there to react when its all hidden and underground and not actually happening in their city, with only the Forsaken, the Ebon Blade and Illidari ambassadors having stood in their cities only on rare occasions and under invitation of the ruling Council of the Kingdom(Ritscowl(or however he was named) in Aegwynn’s library was there on Modera’s request iirc).
Kirin Tor Law was something everyone could easily ignore once outside the city’s limits. The Kirin Tor’s influence only extended as far as any other Kingdom allowed and it was something Stormwind, for example, happily ignored and thus earning their Conjurer’s the title of Hedge Mages in the Kirin Tor’s books, iirc
Essentially this. Kirin Tor’s laws only applied to its own members, and ostensibly within the city limits to a certain level. In Legion inside of the same expansion we have:
Archmage Vargoth being under investigation for dabbling into fel with the Empyrean Society and one apprentice getting exiled due to Kirin Tor’s blanket ban on dark magic because she wanted to research fel and demons in order to defend against them given the whole world wide demon invasion going on. — And at the same time they allowed the Black Harvest to violate their laws and try to summon a pit lord inside of the city, and establish a demonic gateway to the Twisting Nether.
They only punish their own members but ignore non-Kirin Tor violating their laws inside of their own city. If they can’t police them inside of Dalaran, they can’t police them world wide.
I’ve not seen anything to confirm that it is, but if the vast majority of the Kirin Tor are dead, and the city itself is destroyed almost entirely, I’m gonna assume it probably went poof too
I’ll be the “goblet is hall filled” mage then, and assume that it’s still around. Albeit the means of new entries might have been neutered for the time being.
Considering the Hall of the Guardian was supposedly located on the upper levels of the Violet Citadel…
Safe to assume it’s gone boom.
Edit: Raises the question too, with that gone, what’s become of the dreadlord that kept it powered? Kathra’natir was trapped in a soulstone atop the citadel to keep it chugging along, you think he’s been sent back to the Nether now?
Guess I’ll have to go quote-hunting. If I’m mistaken, then it does stand to reason it’s gone.
Edit: It does seem the most likely option for it to be gone. Whilst there’s an argument to be made for the visibility of the balconies and the sheer size of the Hall, it’s all conjecture. Oh well.
I always assumed the Halls of Guardian was magical in so far, it was bigger then it looked on the outside, akin to the Chamber of Skies(?) Were the Council of Six met to discuss.
Keep in mind that everything in WoW is weirdly scaled. Individual buildings might be huge, but the interiors are also massive (I mean, an 11 foot tauren can easily enter a human farm). Hall of the Guardian is effectively just an entrance room, 3 big rooms, 2 small rooms and corridors connecting them. That´s not really that big and definitely something you should be able to fit into a massive spire that is Violet Citadel.
But, because WoW is designed to both fit every playable race into every room on top of providing space for camera (so you don´t end up playing from first person every time you enter a building), the rooms are absurdly huge, which means you can´t fit everything you´d normally fit into buildings. Stormwind Keep and Cathedral are good examples, the moment Blizzard had to fit their interiors into exterior building, entire portions had to be removed. Some dungeons, such as Shadowfang Keep are also way bigger than their exterior buildings, and I doubt there is magic involved. And, in cases where you need to fit bigger interiors to exterior space, you sometimes end with absurdities such as Greymane Manor that is taller than the mountains surrounding it.
Kinda looks like they’re giving leadership back to Jaina was just debating this very recently actually.
I dislike how Sunreaver was completely thrown to the side in terms of Jaina coming in after he was the one to sit at the ruins; Day in, day out, starved and not drinking or sleeping to try and get the people back to safety / reunite the Kirin’tor. Yet nobody was answering.
Kalec arrives, they have a moment really cool it shows that Sunreaver has the leadership within him to become the Kirin’tors embodiment.
Jaina arrives and now it’s all about Jaina and going on an adventure with Jaina to return to Khadgar and Sunreaver where he kinda announces that he wants the Kirin’tor to be Neutral and out of world affairs…Then goes to the Leader of Kul’Tiras (Alliance-aligned) and says about how he trusts that she can rebuild it.
I’m sorry but what? Sunreaver thrown to the side is really unfortunate.
I will say; I enjoyed the little snippits that we saw of everyone and the cutscene at the end with the boats really was a good send off and I can really vibe with them moving on from Dalaran.
Kinda just hope they move on with a lot of the other leaders as well.
The Kirin Tor didn’t have a monopoly on ‘morality policing’ use of magic.
Dark magics may be better understood and tolerated to be used by individuals who have proven themselves, but they are still actively harmful to others and the environment when used, so no authority, magical or otherwise, is going to want it used and in the open or proliferating beyond those that can be trusted with it.
The Stormwind paladins are well aware of the warlocks in the basement of the Slaughtered Lamb, for example, but they don’t root it out because they recognise it’s useful, but that doesn’t mean they like them or approve of them. The same is probably true of Stormwind’s mages. It’s also a fact that if the Stormwind mages and paladins tried to root out the warlocks, they’d simply flee and set up somewhere else where the authorities didn’t know where they were.
The current arrangement suits all parties - the warlocks have somewhere safe to train, and everyone else knows where the warlocks are even if they don’t officially condone their presence.
If memory serves, people who are openly antagonistic to the Slaughtered Lamb’s clandestine regulars also tend to go missing. I’m racking my memory to try and recall the details, but I believe they had a noble assassinated at one point precisely because of that.
And the first quest of this chain indicates the investigation has never been concluded after his death.
The warlocks also have moved to the Dreadscar Rift during Legion and technically the Slaughtered Lamb is less than it was, even if we can suppose it’s still active as they recently added a Kul’Tiran downstairs.
As for Dalaran, the portal who was leading to the Rift is probably destroyed too and since they added nothing in Khaz Algar we (warlocks by the Lamb) play as if the Rift is unreachable the time being.
We spent over one year trying to restore this lore to roleplayers’ memory, and anyone who is like “Yeah we know about the basement” has often never really given a thought why their character would know this.
They did but there’s also no evidence anyone ever traced it back to the warlocks.
I think it’s incorrect to say the warlocks have moved to Dreadscar Rift. Not all of them are members of the Black Harvest. It would also be incorrect to say “all the mages moved to the Hall of the Guardian” or “All the druids moved to the Dreamgrove”.
I think you’d struggle to say with any authority that the Slaughtered Lamb is “less than it was”. There’s been nothing saying that.