Don’t look now but there are more people disagreeing with you, better report them too before this gets out of hand.
You cannot change it. The horde has the numbers.
The alliance have the % as compensation. And I have to say that I don’t see much difference now. At the start of BfA it was really horrible & kinda unplayable for the alliance but now it seems to be pretty balanced.
Sometimes it is and sometimes when the horde’s there farming it’s not.
The alliance is doing it too!
I think you just owned yourself, congrats.
And on ignore.
So what you’re saying is that it’s sometimes fair but not when you get ganked?
You just contradicted yourself so /thread.
What you said made no sense.
Thats odd. On my shard, from what i saw, especially during invasions, alliance players still outnumber horde players. Yesterday, at Voldun’s invasion, i was ganked 5-7 times during invasion, by a group of ally players. I died a few times, but it was ok, i revenged on some of the ally players, so i was satisfied.
Also, what i noticed is that horde players dont initiate agression. I was in many examples where we where a few horde players questing invasion points and we didnt atacked alliance players. A few times, some smartass alliance player though that if he is paladin he can beat a mage and a shaman together, but that was his mistake. I dont want to praise horde players, but at least the players i saw with my own eyes in the game, they behaved quite honorable and didnt atacked lonely alliance players that where doing invasions.
This is funny. When i “cried” in my thread that WM is unfair, that the AOO quest is unfair, you came and commented : " turn off WM" . Now, you cry that is unfair. Thats pure hypocrisy from you. What is unfair? That they took you the 30% bonus? Really? Why dont you ask “god mode” from Blizzard and lets end this WM topic. At least alliance will rule forever…
He is responding you exactly how you deserve. You did the same when we complained.
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Very true…
Finally a normal opinion.
How come during AOO quest we couldnt outnumber your mighty alliance and we where literaly raped on the maps? And now we outnumber you guys? Where is the logic in this statement?
When i said that, Vaeyn and Turiel came and told that i am a idiot. I always was pro-removing all WM bonuses. W-PVP should have 0 bonus, maby honor/conquest bonus, but nothing more.
Actually, since Blizzard hides real numbers, the only numbers we have are from thoose “third party fake sites” (as my dear friend Vaeyn said) and thoose numbers show that alliance outnumber horde on overall EU realms. So, untill Blizzard doesnt share with us their real numbers, we take as a truth theese “fake sites” and they say you got the majority.
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When I do WQ that takes only 10 minutes and I spend 30 minutes etc. What is 10%? Nothing. I could do 3 or more WQs by the time I wait for my chance. I think based on those facts we should get 100%+ 150% bonus!!! Blizzard gives us 200% because it is terribly difficult and time consuming doing WQ with WM on!
The WM bonuses and Conquest/PvP gear being attractive for PvE:ers are the biggest issues about WM.
WM On offers:
- More PvE rewards trought the WQ’s. Granting more of everything except reputation Exp, resources and AP.
- More Conquest, you can cap out conquest each week without even bothering with BG’s or Arenas just doing the Assualts, PvP-Gank quest and pick up a secret supply every day. Even without any rating the Azerite pieces grant Residuum and the chances of Titanforging other slots still remains.
If PvP and PvE whould be seperated most horde whould choose WM-Off and the Gank groups whould be significantly reduced.
What the game could use are a return of PvP exclusive stats which could be more powerfull then ordinary stats while Enlisted or in instanced PvP. This stat whould then be deactivated while WM is set to off. Just like the old PvP resilience stats but it whould boost PvE potential aswell while in WM. Ofcourse the PvP only potions could be used while enlisted aswell.
Then they could just add PvP rewards to some WQ’s while in WM that gives mark of honor, conquest, pvp gear etc. Personally I’d also like to see something unique to warmode, like a faction;
Stormwind Army(ofcourse horde whould have a similar faction), earning points whould increase your rank and enlistment rewards. It could be a reputation system similar to the fishers etc. as to not conflict with the current Honor rank system.
So while doing WQ’s, PvP objectives and fighting other players you eventually rank up. You start of as a private when you rank up you become corporal etc. Ranking up whould allow you to get hold of more rewards in form of bonuses to AP, Resources(like current WM-On bonuses) but also unlock better items at the Stormwind army vendor.
Once you hit the highest rank for the season(god damn i hate seasons), you will be able to aquire fairly decent gear from this faction. Perhaps 10-15 ilvls below the highest rank of Arena for the season. So to get the best pvp gear you whould still need to achive a good rating in RBG/Arena.
However the WPvP vendors whould allow for some nice catch up for new players interested in PvP. For people with high rating, they could still use the vendors to have some fun by buying pots, complimenting their other gear with parts, buy transmogs and perhaps other unique rewards sold at the faction vendor.
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If the quest is the only way to get Alliance to turn on WM, they simply have too few PvP minded players.
Giving you a FP-camp quest together with the 30% is NO solution.
As soon as it levels out; Alliance players vanish again.
I always play WM on atleast on my main sometimes we outnumber the alliance and we kick there as sometimes the alliance outnumbers us and we get our asses kicked. We make groups to counter alliance groups or i join a group. Saying you want a fair 1 vs 1 is not WM that’s a duel in WM its all or nothing that is why its WM you loose some you win some. Alliance got 30% and a 400 ilvl quest we got overrun by alliance for days/weeks because of that now it dropped down again and its alot more equal imo. That only tells me alliance wants a big buff and loot or thy turn WM off. You cant have it all either you have WM and no buff or a smaller one or you have it off and the rest of the alliance hass a bigger buff for a week or 2.
I called you an idiot? Wut?
Pros and cons to removing bonus. I assume Blizz looked at all that before deciding to implement it. Suggestions are great, but the cons are usually too big.
Regardless of if players dislike pve’ers in wm, they are part of the rich pvp environment, filling the role of cannon fodder. Removing them, would potentially reduce conflict. There must be conflict. This talk of peace at assaults, enemies ignoring each other, is not wm. Conflict! PvE’ers help make that possible, allowing wpvp groups to grow large because of a steady victim flow.
WPvP is working fine right now, except too many wm Horde eu, but there is plenty activity in wm. A good reason to not drastically change the wm system.
The real problem for wm is the excess Horde pve’ers, overflow shards and phasing. With the current wm system, the extra bonus/aoo is working to solve that issue over time, with closer eu faction balance, and hopefully end up with a balance of player types too.
No, removing them would mean only the players interested in the conflict remain. If you want more conflict, you should be in favour of removing from the pool players not interested in it.
These remaining players could then be bumped together in fewer shards but with much fiercer conflict.
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Blizz have the usage data, so they also know what effect changes will have. Since they’ve kept the bonus, increased for outnumbered, and eu faction balance is closer, looks like they know what they are doing.
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Who uses WM, its a fail feature.
I never left org since patch 8.1
I queue for lfr and bgs in the capital city without going out. Except one time to turn my pvp conquest gear but then never capped and still not capping.
You expect a fair 1v1 in the open world pvp? Loool you are a legit cry baby thanks to this statement of yours.
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Blizzard is notoriously reclutant to abandon an idea even when it doesn’t work well though, so I wouldn’t bet on that.