Guildie trying to ice out the gm?

[Ghalahad-azjolnerub]

@Papudeath-outland

Well it’s pretty clear they don’t respect you as a leader and are trying to shift the power dynamic. Let them act like a GM long enough, and the rest of the guild will treat them as the GM. If you reach that point, it’ll be too late for you to do anything. Kick him and everyone else leaves with them. Better cut it early if you don’t want drama.

This.

Might sound harsh but the choice is yours.

[Alewín-argent-dawn]

@Saeryn-auchindoun

But if it was me I’d just plant my boot firmly in his behind and send him flying out the door.

Basically that… if someone is threatening the harmony of a place I like, then they will leave. Nobody gets to come late to the party and spoil it.

@Ceranity-terenas

why don’t you ask people to be officers?

Definitely do this! Pick the people you like, and who’s interests align with yours. Shape the guild into what you want. If some people leave, that’s up to them, but do not allow someone else to turn your guild into something you feel uncomfortable in.

[Líling-magtheridon]

ya i get wat you are saying. Thing is people did but I really feel this person is trying to undermine that, on purpose or not.

[Souldefíler-silvermoon (Souldefíler)]

In all seriousness, I have been a GM. Twice. it is one of the most thankless tasks I have ever had. Whenever I have had to make a decision to maintain discipline it always seems to upset a few and please some, and vice versa. But that is what a GM’s job is to do. Depending on the size of your guild and what you want it to be you have some options.

1. Bring in some officers. But I cannot stress this enough. Only. ONLY. People you trust to maintain discipline and all sing from the same hymn sheet. I speak from bitter experience.

2. Never. NEVER give more control to another guild member than you feel they deserve. Power in a video game, especially on an MMO has a strange effect on people, whether it be an ego boost or a power trip. And never be afraid to demote someone if they step out of line. A guild is run for all it’s members, not a select few.
   Again, I speak from bitter experience.

3. Always stay in your limits and your vision and plan of what you wanted, and plan in the future what you want your guild to be. If you want to be social, keep it that way. if you want to be socially casual, again, keep it that way. If you want to do content such as mythic raiding, start from the bottom and work your way up, including the already existing guild members. Simply deciding to go Mythic raiding one week into forming a social casual guild is going to alienate every single person who joined, especially if you start recruiting hard core raiders. You are of course allowed to do that, but not at the risk of ignoring your existing guild members, who might not be interested in doing any raiding.

Once again, i speak from very bitter experience, one that has soured and ultimately killed my enthusiasm for group content other than LFG and LFR unless it is run with people who share my mindset.

4. Last but not least. if you’re not having fun with your guild, and people are disrupting things, they need to go. It just takes one person to start a rot in your guild which will slowly kill it by eroding other players enjoyment of being in your guild. Never be afraid to remove a player, regardless of rank, who is a malign influence. And if they are your friend, well. They weren’t your friend in the first place.

Edit.

Guild members leave as a trickle. Then before you know it that trickle has become a flash flood. Good luck to you.

[Alewín-argent-dawn]

@Souldefíler-silvermoon

if you’re not having fun with your guild, and people are disrupting things. They need to go.

That. If you let someone sour the atmosphere and hang around, a few months later some of your regulars have left and only when it’s too late do you find out it was because they didn’t like the person you were considering kicking.

[Ãnna-silvermoon]

@Ceranity-terenas

You may lose some of this person’s friends if you kick them, but if that means that everyone who’s left has a better, more enjoyable time then that trade off is worth it.

They will most likey take a load of your guild members and make their own guild.

[Thodric-anachronos]

@Líling-magtheridon

they pm me and said they found me annoying.

1. Explain to your officers that you’re going to kick this person out of the guild.
2. Kick them out of the guild.
3. Explain to the rest of the guild why you kicked them.

[Húmúz-argent-dawn (Húmúz)]

Best to remove bad apples before they contaminate the rest.
In guild drama it’s 99.9% of the time best to kick the last person to join the guild involved in the drama. Since there were no problems before the last guy/girl joined.

[Athíyk-draenor]

Honestly what it sounds like to me is that this individual is slowly but steadily working on taking your guild over. You can try having a talk with him, and pull out why exactly is he acting the way he does. What does he find annoying in you? Regardless if it is something that can be changed or not he should still respect your authority as the GM.

The issue with keeping him around without you acting upon it is that the longer he stays in, the more he will ‘turn’ your guildies on his side, and the more will likely leave if you do kick him. Do you attend these events he puts up? Attending them would be a good way to see just what is he doing during these events. I have a feeling that the situation can only end with you removing him from the guild. If you try to find out why is he finds you annoying atleast shows that you tried to resolve this in more way than just a kick.

If you do have to end up kicking him make sure to explain to your guildies why did you resort to such an extreme step.

[Líling-magtheridon]

i agree, thing is they are pretty much only souring the atmosphere for me they are being really overtly friendly with everyone else. However 1 other person noticed they were less friendly with me after a raid we did, and they outright asked so I think on some lvl the guild may be picking up on it. If people they really like are on they are then super friendly to me, it depends whos on in guild to see it mayb. they seem really hot and cold towards me.

[Dottie-thunderhorn (Dottie)]

Do two things that’s all.

1. Tell them to stop it, with a warning.
2. If they don’t, kick them.

You may lose a few guildies with him, but if he wants to rule the roost he can go make his own guild. Sounds like the person is an Alpha male.

[Furyeclipser-kazzak]

I would go Kim Jong Un on him ! swift clean Gkick ,no funny business.

[Líling-magtheridon]

I really think you are right. Yes I do go to his events when I can, I avoided the last one as I couldnt face it tbh.

[Alewín-argent-dawn]

My advice then…

1. Select your officers; people you like and who are on the same page re guild goals and behaviour standards. Don’t even ask for volunteers; promote them, and leave it up to them to ask to be demoted. Nobody will
2. Take screenshots for a couple of days to demonstrate that this player is being two-faced and deceptive.
3. Confer with the officer team.
4. Remember that you can just choose to kick the player out regardless of 1-3.

@Líling-magtheridon

I avoided the last one as I couldnt face it tbh.

To me this would count as unacceptable souring of the atmosphere.

[Líling-magtheridon]

Thank you for all your advice. I am going to have a voice chat with them about everything. I hate conflict but it needs to be done. There is a good possibility they arent aware how this all looks. If they leave after it they leave. This way if it happens again I will remove them. Will post how it goes.

[Punyelf-draenor (Punyelf)]

Purely based on your side of the story my reaction would be:-

Not everyone is going to like each other in a guild. However I have zero tolerance for that kind of behaviour.

[Alewín-argent-dawn]

@Líling-magtheridon

I am going to have a voice chat with them about everything.

Do it when you have witnesses. Any time when a few people are online, just raise in in chat.

You do not want this person twisting your words and making it your version of the truth vs theirs. There must be only one truth.

[Galaxik-kazzak]

Just kick him. And if someone leaves lol find other people.

[Soggo-kazzak]

There is conflict of interests, it means the Guild rules and processes are not clear to everyone.

Your job to clear them out to everyone in the guild. Also, you need to have officers who can help you running the guild.

[Azula-argent-dawn]

Guild dynamic is more important than you think. One bad apple can spoil the bunch.