I will go in a different direction. What makes WOW great for many people is that there are many ways to enjoy the game. If you are a parses enthusiast, you will hardly understand people who don’t care about parsing at all and still have fun in the game. In vanilla, you didn’t have to step into the raid and still had so many things to do for the whole vanilla. There were so many ways to enjoy the game. But WOTLK failed in this horrible with huge “Blizzard” assistance. Blizzard throws all but loot/parse junkies overboard. There are very few things to do in WOTLK, but raiding.
I started in WOTLK a long time ago, and I still remember huge battles around IC daily quests. It was 100x more fun then qst by them selves. But now, because of free, unrestricted transfers, there are only one-sided realms, so there is 0 reason for me to go outside because nothing ever happens anywhere. There is just an empty world.
I remember endless hours of BGs, but now with so many bots, BGs are so boring that even I stopped playing them, and it was like 60% of my gametime on every server or expansion where I was.
Arena became so elitist so almost nobody but people with 10 000+ arena history play them. Every new player who joins them will stop immediately. Because your 99.9% of oponnet will be one of the metacomb with long arena gametime history (this is not just Blizzard’s fault, but if you have painful 500 games with a pretty even ration and you have the same items like you can get in single voa, it is just very frustrating and creates even bigger gaps between players (and OP PVE items in arena, oh boy). Don’t get me wrong, I am enjoying the arena. But get something from them for nonjunkies isso hard that nobody but junkies play them. And it is shameful. It would be more fun if you met more random combs, than a few same again and again (2v2). You can try hard on higher raiting with more even-equipped people.
In short, the world is empty and boring because of one-sided realms; BG is full of bots; arenas are imposible for non-tryhards; and raiding has become more work than fun because of the parsing mentality.
This is my opinion, but I know personally a few people who left, and everyone has the same problems with very little to do but raiding, and raiding has become too tedious for people who don’t care about parses.
Yes this.
First many levels you do you and have fun. Then you go raid, if you don’t do parses or even worse make mistake you are yelled at and spit out in bits. Of course you no play raid no more, but go Era and have fun!
I have 99% rank for my class and 99% parsing for almost all bosses in Ulduar in a guild that has been clearing Ulduar for weeks. I am not crying about the difficulty. I’m just summarizing the many reasons people quit in response to the original post. Your arguments are misplaced.
Valid points, I agree. Further reasons why people are quitting.
Just because it was poor design 15 years ago it does not mean that it has to be religiously followed now. Non-sequitur.
I really dont know what to say to you anymore, either you are damn good at trolling or you are just plain stupid. How do you function in daily life if you arent even able to read questions and answer what is actually asked for instead of some random nonsense.
“that isnt found in wrath” → only tells me stuff that you can do just aswell in wrath.
“Parsing above 90 (which is more than enough to join any pug) is possible every semi-decent pug” → talking about a possibility doesnt mean the vast majority is doing that…
“This is a game. Not real life. The vast majority of people play games for fun. Not for stress.” → the vast majority of people would prefer to play a match of chess against a somewhat similar skilled opponent instead of a toddler that can barely pick up the pieces. Games without any challenge are a waste of time.
“Blizzard recognizes that the game needs a rebalance because of the feedback they are receiving” → Blizzard does whatever the hell they want. People have been crying about gdkp for years now and they do nothing while fixing completely random nonsense that no player ever asked for.
“The link does not seem to work. The “pug” boosted you.” → removing a space that you have to insert to post a link on the forums is too hard for you it seems. Kinda proofs my point of you being not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Predictable response. Not saying you’re wrong, I agree the player count ebbs and flows but to me this time it feels like more and more players leave every day.
Dude… I would level 10 alts in a heartbeat if they’d release RDF. Hell I’d even gear them, get their professions up to max and do dailies with them.
But I just keep thinking only one thing.
I’d have to level 10 alts without doing a single dungeon till I hit max. And when I hit max, I’ve to first buy all my gear through AH or GDKPS before I can finally get into the group content. That thought alone, that’s what makes me quit playing WotLK.
Exactly this. Hc+ (++ soon) is being gatekept by people demanding +4k gs mostly.
A new char/alt shouldn’t depend mainly on buying gear from the ah. Nevermind toxic GDPK practices where whales scoop up HM items for their green geared chars like skittles in a jar. “Yeah bruhh 80k for that item I’ll replace in a ToGC GDKP is legit, I farmed this myself” right…
I used to love classic but have come to detest the playerbase which insist in turning the game in some sort of esport, race to world first soulslike. “no purple logs no ginv!”
Funny thing retail is much more accessible these days, in literally every way aside from mythic raiding. Blizz has dropped some amazing news on retail but keep shoving classic in the gutter.
I’m done. I have a lot of happy memories from Classic Vanilla and TBC, but it ends here for me.
I would if they just added RDF with teleportation. Most groups I found were toxic in levelling dungeons.
I did the Nexus and was told that Shamans can only be healers and why wasn’t I healing, but it was far ruder than that, I’d joined as a DPS and was top DPS, by far. I also got accused of stealing the Hunters gear even though it was a good upgrade for me. This happened more than once.
Raid logging was massive thing in Vanilla Classic and TBC too.
Raid difficulty isn’t too high for casuals, Ulduar Hardmodes are easier than retail Heroic modes. Parse culture has always existed, it’s even more prevalent in Classic largely due to the easier nature of the content. It’s not about if you killed the boss, because that’s really easy, it’s how fast did you kill it.
There will always be a bar where even easy content is too hard for many players, but Classic WOTLK has a huge raiding playerbase, it caters to a large group already specifically because it’s easy enough that average players can do hardmodes.
A new char/alt should do regular heroics first before jumping into HC+, and later ++. Yes, I know finding a group for regular heroics might be pretty hard, but in theory it should be possible since there are SO MANY people with new alts who complain about gearing. I wonder why they never thought of grouping up with each other and instead want to skip straight to the hardest 5man content?
Because most of them jump naked into GDKP. Which makes normal HC (and most pugs) non-existent. And on top of that, it creates further GS inflation, simply because those people have gear without experience, making logs and gs even a bigger deal
I have spent the last 7 hours in group finder as a 4800 rogue with full experience in all HMs and Algalon. I just don’t have good logs because this is a new alt
Ask me how many GDKPs I have seen, how many SR pugs, and how many times I was rejected without a /w
The game is just in a sad state if you are not an old char in a healthy guild
Applying to and becoming apart of a guild is very easy and 100% your own fault if you dont.
So the whole new player friendly is BS in my opinion, as clearly stated just finding a guild and making friends make that step completely flip on its head, which is what you are supposed to do in an MMO.
True, but getting into a raiding roster takes at least a decent amount of competence and if you picked “the wrong class” you might also be looking at a reroll.
Even in a very mediocre guild like mine it’s not super simple to get a raid spot.
Still I do agree that finding a guild to play with should be a priority to anyone who doesn’t actually enjoy pugging.
