Harrassment, Sexism and worse at the heart of Blizzard?

Completely offtopic, I went on a binge of your posts and forgot how much they made me laugh, ty, needed that today

Sunk cost fallacy is universal and inevitable

People need time to come to terms with a thing they like and put countless hours into being ran by worm people or just can’t come to terms with it at all

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I’m glad my dumb idiocy perked you up when you needed it! Hope it’s all okay stranger! :crossed_fingers:

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I don’t think people are, as a rule, immoral for continuing to play WoW following today. A lot of us have been here for a very long time, and it’s become our main hobby – for both those choosing to leave and those who’ll stay.
What’s happened in the company is horrific, and with luck they’ll get their rightful comeuppance, but for those people who rely on the game for an outlet (particularly during covid)? They’re not evil for keeping up their subscriptions.

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Big agree.

If people are going to get on their high horse about people still playing WoW then I would politely ask them about what they think to owning a mobile phone. Or any nestle product they have inadvertently consumed. Or whether they indirectly support Mexican drug cartels because of that avocado toast they had two months ago.

Accountability. Not hostility. Etc.

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No ethical consumption under capitalism leaps to mind.

It’s impractically hard ranging to outright impossible to live a normal life without contributing to the suffering of someone somewhere.

Which is not an excuse for apathy, it’s just there to maintain sanity.

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I’ve seen this a couple of times today, but I don’t think there will be any form of production that won’t see someone abused or taken advantage of to some degree until we hit science fiction levels of technology.

And I probably won’t be around for that. Born too late to explore the earth, born too early to explore space, born just in time to see billionaires start space tourism in willy shaped rockets. :pray:

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I think that is overly pessimistic. There is production even today where no one is abused or taken advantage of, it’s just unfeasible to rely on it because it represents small exceptions in a large system.

And even if we can’t eliminate a problem, we can still work to minimise it as much as possible; all-encompassing oversight is impossible, but we can still try.

One thing that is heartening to see is that the threshold for speaking out about problematic behavior in the industry is getting lower and lower as allegations are brought forth against big companies like Activision Blizzard and Ubisoft. It’s a damn shame that things had to go this far until this sort of change started to happen, but the fact that a change is taking place is at least good to see.

I won’t hold it against anyone if they continue to play, but I will cheer for and applaud those who decide to do something about the problem at hand, even if it’s something as simple and minor as walking away from a video game.

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[bobby kotick deposits a yacht into your bank account]

I’m all the more glad to have shifted to critically acclaimed MMO Final Fantasy XIV which currently offers a free trial up to level 60 including the first great expansion Heavensward.

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I also enjoy how Blizzard keeps trying to encourage me not to play their game and instead have fun with their competition’s products.

Thank you and good luck in your court case, I hope you’ll lose it.

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At the very least, when a game developer commits suicide in Japan, chances are it’s because of how hard they were forced to work on the game.

So, they have that going for them.

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When the neckbeards who got pushed around by the football team try to live out their jock fantasy.

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I wonder if Metzen is involved. Probably not in the last two years of course since he’s only been doing voice acting, but this has been stretching back much longer than that, and it’s hard to imagine someone being as involved in the studio as he was without being involved in this too.

If he is, I imagine a lot of people’s mental images will shatter. He seems like the most popular ex/Blizzard employee.

Unironically this.

The same people in Blizzard entertainment who call people like Asmongold (supposedly) a toxic male, despite the guy openly talking about his feelings online and taking care of his sick mother, or who call their players manchildren…

…Are actually accused of things like these. The same devs who have things like “gender expert” etc nonsense to try and appear as much as possible as “nice guys”.

It’s like Koiffen said, it’s a massive projection. A peak of irony, but I am not surprised.

It’s almost like we should have the justice system look at the accusations and determine whether he is guilty or not, before we throw the baby out with the bathwater.

WeirdChamp

That stale meme doesn’t get funnier with endless repetition, only more obnoxious. Especially when there are dozens of people on Twitter doing the same thing in response to any and all Blizzard controversy posts.

(I do like the game in question, but if you really want to get people interested in it, you need a more subtle approach.)

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I agree. I condemn what has happened, and want accountability for it. But despite the issue being relatable to me, I won’t rush to cancel my subscription right now.

The way I think about it, the game is not the product of a big group of rotten people. The game is a product of a big group of people with rotten eggs in it. The good beans in the company still need to pay for their bills, care for their families. I’ve been following dev reactions on social media, and while many women (who no longer work at Blizzard) open up about their negative experiences at the company, some others say they had good experiences with their team (such as Hearthstone).

Plus, I don’t play WoW for the game itself; I play it for the player connections I have made, and for the great many years invested into the characters in the setting. Additionally, games produced by other companies are likely to suffer from similar issues in dev teams because this is an industry wide problem. Riot, Ubisoft, Rockstar, Blizzard have made the headlines, but I’m sure there’s so much more we just haven’t heard about on this scale because many women are afraid to speak out against their company in public while working there, or afraid it will ruin their future career options in an industry that relies a lot on networking with people knowing folks across different companies. I’m cynical enough to think, “So, which company is next?” Square Enix?

That all said, I also very much understand the option to stop supporting Blizzard with your wallet. I’ll keep following the case as it proceeds to court.

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Yeah, this is not okay. How does a corporate culture become nurtured to such a state and how does it change, though?