Havoc spec bonuses

You’re so dense you aren’t neuron activating you’re a neutron star spinning on stupid.
But here’s one as well, you’d be out of your depth in a parking lot puddle

Well i don’t think you are bro

Nice argument you’re got there.

Damn, the quality of the average reply to me is really high, very thought provoking, not at all just random s posting.

It’s about what i would expect at least.

We definitely need more people like you to "provide feedback’ Because you clearly know wtf you’re talking about. Let’s not even remind you i literally was right, as usual. Something that’s pretty common at this point, because i have a functional brain, and i actually think.

But if you were to actually think about a counterpoint you would realize that you’re wrong, and thinking is very difficult, that’s why you don’t wanna do it. Better to just make some garbage point that doesn’t really say anything, but is literally just an ad hominem.

You know the difference between me and most people here? I actually make points and counterpoints, i actually think about what i say, and if only your point wasn’t complete crap i would take it into consideration, i may call people stupid when i see fit, but ultimately i do provide actual feedback, you don’t.

By the way, i just thought about something. It’s actually laughable when you think about it.

You know how you guys always complain about coh and sd because muh uptime, but then you like a set that focuses on cdr, but “it’s on the hunt so that’s different somehow”. So basically uptime is a massive problem for coh/sd, but it isn’t for this set because i like it…

Logical skills aren’t your best suit i’m afraid guys…

Maybe instead of typing an essay you should go work on your own game play skills in private. You clearly seem to need some more practice on the class

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Only done normal and haven’t timed a 20 (or even done it untimed) “I’m better than all of you hehehe” Like bruh???

Objectively though let’s go through it
Your m+ rating is 767 (on average 40% of people have double that score source - Raider io’s mythic cutoff)

You’ve only cleared normal. “I’m better than you and the average player” but you have nothing to back this up.

I do agree with you that there is some downtime, but honestly it’s so negligeable that if you’re that desperate for more fury generation you might need to go for an ADHD assessment.

But goodluck and I hope you manage to improve buddy! you can do it.

Nice arguments there.

You can clearly see the care and thought put into it. Totally not just another logical fallacy.

I don’t really need your validation, i know my skills as a player are above average, and your trash talk isn’t gonna change that.

I have loads of alts, im not particularly interested in pushing m+ to the limit, or doing mythic raids at the moment, but i get purple and orange parses pretty reliably on any character i play.

Either way, not an argument. Use your brain a little more, or just stop talking.

Gotta love how edgy DHs are. Overall it seems S3 won so we’re good.

Orange parses in normal way to go fam!!

You do understand that the ‘throw glaive’ part happens automatically while you do your normal rotation? You don’t actually have to throw glaives (unless you’re out of range to do anything else, in which case I assume you would always have done it).

Checked both your dh and shaman marked as main, and, bro, it’s more like “i get green and blue parses pretty reliably” than “purple and orange”.

And sorry, i don’t think that the person who’s not into any kind of content at at least a mediocre lvl should even try to “make points and counterpoints”, since seems like the thing you do best is typing clueless flaming messages on forums to anyone who’s not agree with you.

So only one who needs to stop talking here is you, cause only things you brought to this topic are toxicity and undocumented accusations against those who clearly play better than you.

Hope, someone found you at least funny.

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The issue i have with it is that i have to talent things related to throw glaive, which is an ability i don’t really like.

Aside that, i see a lot of “good” arguments from other people here.

I don’t even know wtf they are arguing against, the comment about dh having no downtime was objectively wrong.

Pseudo intellectuals man.

As for the logs thing from the gentleman above me, look at the ilvl. I am pretty significantly below everyone, when i do get to the 480 levels, or basically in line with other people, i pretty much always get orange and purple for non ilvl too.

Wanna take a guess why? It coincides with me playing 11 characters, and not really pushing much, i am not interested in pushing score, or doing hardcore mythic raiding. But my skills as a player are not up to debate, i am pretty damn good at what i do. And i don’t really need your validation to realize that.

It’s easy to get good parses when you outgear the content.

I don’t outgear the content though.

There are loads of players that are 480+, i’m at most 470. Usually 460.

This isn’t even the point anyway.

This was just a reply to people after some said l2p basically, after i said how dh has some downtime, which is objectively true. I do not like downtime. Especially if it has no meaning.

465 in normal is outgearing it.

Yes, but there are plenty of people running normal at 480+ just because, or to farm logs, or a specific item.

This is irrelevant. I’m not sure whether you truly don’t understand my point or you’re just trying to distract from it.

It’s easy to get good logs when you outgear content because you can ignore most mechanics. You don’t:

  • lose boss uptime to doing mechanics
  • lose dps uptime to using immunities that force you to stop dps
  • have to hold dps to ensure the boss phases at the correct time
  • have to hold dps CDs for burst phases

You can just pump, and that’s how you get good logs.

If you want to understand this better, you can look at my main’s logs for the current raid. My normal logs are mostly orange/pink, my mythic logs are mostly green/blue. That isn’t because I suddenly became a worse player when we progressed to mythic, but because I no longer outgear the content and I actually have to do a lot more than just stand there and pump.

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I see, allright then.

Either way this wasn’t even the original argument. This came up because people were talking about how "bad’ i am after i said that dh has some downtime and i would rather it hadn’t, especially if that downtime leads to nothing. Some people with pretty high io even said that havoc has no downtime, which is objectively false, and argued with me about it, until i provided their own character sim, and pushed the facts into their faces, which then the argument went to, yea there is downtime, but you’re crazy if you think 20 seconds is “downtime”. Just insane people.

And yea, obviously getting purple/orange logs on heroic/mythic is not as easy as normal or lfr, that much is not being questioned.

Still, usually people who do better in easier content also do better in harder content, that’s just logical.

Havoc has a second or two with nothing to press here and there, sure, but I wouldn’t personally call that ‘downtime’. If anyone can’t handle having nothing to press for a single GCD, maybe they need to ease off the caffeine a bit.

And the notion that “pauses in rotation = bad” fits the profile of someone who only does content that they outgear where they don’t have to do mechanics. There are times when mechanics force you to stop dps. Skilled players are able to play around these times so they coincide with natural downtime in the rotation, thus minimising the dps loss.

If you were playing at an appropriate level for your gear, you would appreciate needing to wait to regen fury here and there because it gives you time to ignore your dps rotation and focus entirely on doing the mechanics.

This quote hits so hard, you’re almost getting it, maybe you’ll have a brief moment of clarity and take it to heart

Dude, wtf are you talking about, i was literally OBJECTIVELY right in my statement.

You guys are absolutely insane.