Healing higher keys like +25?

[Falsejaina-ragnaros]

@Alfbernt-blackmoore

i rarely see people using health potions tbh. at least on this +20-22 key level

I never saw a single DH use a healing potion in those keys when I was healing. And healthstone like one time

[Lilíith-draenor]

@Alfbernt-blackmoore

How do people heal +23-30 keys? Im currently doing +21-22 keys on my rdruid and i think i reached a limit to heal through some abilites. It gets really hard to top people up and expect them not to fail on mechanics or they are dead, because how rduid works. topping people isnt that easy tbh. I do like 150-200k hps. is it me that its freaking hard or is it only the def and heal cd management from other players.
idk at which key level they NEED to press something and on the right ablity of course ^^. i mean its always good but at some point they just die lol.

what other healers think and how do you deal with “higher” keys. i want to try higher keys but im scared af to fail the group lol.

exactly by expecting them to not fail mechanics and not die to obvious mechanics .

the problem with MDI is that they dont explain well how amazing executed those pulls are - which is impossible with 5 people using like 30 buttons it - thats why people try to imitate those pulls and fails because they dont realise that each pull was using like 4839793873897 interupts / stuns / dispels / defensives pre-planned .

[Mistjo-argent-dawn]

Nobody plays MDI on live servers. MDI is a speedrun of ‘low’ keys (with free to make characters completely min-maxed) where even 1 second faster can mean a win or a lose. On live you play slow to survive.

[Soulscar-steamwheedle-cartel]

Some approaches require hero and cd management for all party members .
U didn’t get really good players , because they are up top .

The players who usually do only 20’s remain there , the ones above 25+ are top players , the in between-ers are so and so , you don’t know what you’ll get .
Cd management is a must and communication also . Pugging high keys is hard and a lot of them are fails .

[Falsejaina-ragnaros]

I noticed checking from what people died helps too, now in +20 Tott warlock was getting one shot because no one interrupt, for example. Like 4 times died from it. Do you track defensives? Two locks in that group never pressed any defensives at some bosses on Tyr too lol

[Uda-uldum]

@Falsejaina-ragnaros

Two locks in that group never pressed any defensives at some bosses on Tyr too lol

Yish… you seem to hate locks with all your heart !

[Falsejaina-ragnaros]

Love and hate relationship
I love them, so joined that group to heal them

[Saikyoo-venoxis]

@Falsejaina-ragnaros

Do you track defensives?

Tanks and healers on higher levels definitly track CDs of their group.

The thing that allways makes me giggle is that:
Having DEFF CDs =/= Using DEFF CDs

Same with Healthstones and Potions.

But what can we expect… they dont increase the damage directly, right?
Well, wait till the DPS find out that a dead dps doesnt do damage and with Deff-CDs you can play more aggressively.

[Enamonk-eredar]

@Alfbernt-blackmoore

and yes i dont like the everbloom boss because sometimes its really hard to heal through the overlap or when the add lives for too long

Last Boss in EB is a good example for rotating personal defcds and group wide defcds. The tricky party in here is to have the group fully topped while add is spawned and Boss is doing his AoE stomp. As a healer you should also rotate your Healing CDs. I didnt play Rdruid for a long time, but i can give you a Monk insight for a 26 EB Tyrannical.

1. Before every Addphase i will prehot the complete group with extended enveloping mists except the tank.

On the first one i use my 1 min Healcd and use the absorb for the big hit and typically a sheiluns gift, to keep the group healthy. Keep in mind - u can use 1 min cds very frequently ( 1,3,5 and so on ).

For the 2nd one i call typically a group wide defcd like zephyr, amz or darkness - depends on comp.

3rd is 1 min cd again

4th could be cocoon, trinket absorb and my big personal cd or maybe another 2min groupcd

5th 1min cd again

6th could be a revival with healpots

And so on

Maybe you can adapt something from that and you can undersrand how to time your healcds on top of defcds by rotating them for specific dmg pattern.

[Elahra-mograine]

@Enamonk-eredar

As a healer you should also rotate your Healing CDs.

MFW holy priests have one healing CD.

[Cogzilla-tarren-mill]

I try to hit 3k but this week i manage to finish a +22 WM and around 15 runs from +21 to +24 all ended mid dungeon.

Usually the problem is the dps cause they never interrupt/stun and DH die on the Sanguine. Also the tanks use weird routes.

People need to focus more on tactics than dps, in a +24 DHT we had a hunter who think he need to stack with ppl in whatever time and he fear 1 time paladin and 1 time me causing to deplete the key.

We have a huge amount of keys so people don’t care to learn the tactics or help with an extra dispell, stun, interrupt they just re que to another group.

[Eurush-argent-dawn]

@Alfbernt-blackmoore

I do like 150-200k hps

Is this overall or from a single harder encounter when the group wiped? Overall these numbers are more than enough to push way higher, but some trash and bosses would be hard to get through if this is your peak. Regardless, you might consider refreshing your class knowledge with some recently updated guides as this game is permanently in development and you could be unaware about some tricks that completely change the game for you.

Hard but not unreasonably hard. First of all, accept that the higher you go, the lower your success rate is going to be. It’s not you, it’s just how things are. You say “gg”, “thanks for the attempt”, port out, and que next. In the meantime, think about what you could do better next time and how can you prepare for the worst.

Although I don’t like that leaver mentality, because, for me, all keys are practice keys, still, being a realist, I understand that people make mistakes, sometimes a bit too much – and some people might need a bit more experience or skill level to do a key they are trying to do. Understand that some groups just won’t make it regardless of your contribution.

While skill is paramount, sensible group compositions can throw a couple or so key levels on top of your overall maximum. Instead of warrior or DH, try joining groups with pally or druid tank. They will help with healing checks, especially in high-movement encounters. Invite Augmentation and Retribution. Invite classes that can help with dispells that you don’t have or struggle with: warlocks can even dispell magic for you if you ask them nicely and *beforehand * (!). Invite classes that don’t fold by themselves: DHs, mages, warlocks, rogues, paladins. Two or three weeks ago I’ve made myself a cakewalk of 24 WM by making a group with paladin, mage, aug, and monk healer: zero troubles with curses, zero troubles with Goliath, zero troubles with anything.

And keep trying. Don’t give up.

[Uda-uldum]

@Cogzilla-tarren-mill

Usually the problem is the dps cause they never interrupt/stun and DH die on the Sanguine. Also the tanks use weird routes.

When it comes to interrupts, a shaman can carry the key basically. In most of my runs im #1 in interrupts unless its a pala tank / Dh tank that counts the “automatic silences” as interrupts as well. Then im #2 on recount, but still #1 on ST interrupts.

And on top of that, cap totem and thunderstorm which are not counted.

I can give you tips that work for me if your interested.

[Belftank-kazzak]

EU just doesn’t have any good resto druids outside of Vickman, NA and Chinese druids are healing +31’s somehow. I guess it is extremely hard to play in hardest content.

[Tifa-lightbringer (Tifa)]

Always admire people who manage to pug these kinds of keys, can’t imagine doing it without guildies myself

[Dejarous-draenor (Dejarous)]

@Elahra-mograine

@Enamonk-eredar

As a healer you should also rotate your Healing CDs.

MFW holy priests have one healing CD.

Apotheosis and divine hymn make two. You could also throw PI in there as throughput and symbol of hope is a weird one in that it brings back defensives quicker for the group so its not technically a “healing CD” but its a boost to group survivability.

I know you know about these buttons and the reply will be something along the lines of “I’m GCD capped cos of haste so PI isn’t a throughput increase” - but you don’t just have one healing CD.

Heck, even guardian increases healing on a single target by 60% and if it doesn’t proc its about a minute CD.