From a certain probability and a certain harm threshold onwards? I would actually say it is immoral, yes.
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That may be, but if the risk isnât 100%, what then? At what percent will it be an immoral act?
In the case of void elves it would be far over the threshold for me. I really donât need to be able to fully define the line to think that a certain case clearly crosses it.
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Fair enough.
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I was kind of interpreting it in a way that had Op wondering if the Void condition was something that could be passed from parent to child.
I mean, we know the Worgen curse canât.
My bet is on the âCanâtâ.
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I guess its possible to assume that void corruption can be passed, given that the black dragonflight laid eggs that that were mostly corrupted by the Old Gods, who were made by the void lords
Depends on how you see it. I donât think DH can pass along their condition.
And I do see Void elves and Lightforged as another kind of simple conditioning. Not at functional races per se.
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Void Elves and Lightforged = The Mules of WoW?
Thatâs a bit different, and Iâll explain why I think so. If it was a condition like, say, Dwarfism (This is not poking fun at smaller people, I have a good mate who has Dwarfism, Iâm just using it as an example), then both parents, who presumably have the same condition, or one does and one doesnât, go into it eyes wide open, they know there is a risk that the child will be born with that condition, that risk can indeed be an almost certainty if both parents have it. my friend told me the exact figures I think, itâs a 1 in 20,000 chance that two regular sized people will have a child with Dwarfism, that likelihood goes up to 50% of the likelihood if one of the parties has it, and 75% if both do.
The reason it is different, is that people know these risks, and the condition does not affect a person mentally, there is nothing inherently âwrongâ with it, apart from the obvious disadvantages like not being able to drive because the car is too big, but plenty of people have that, heck, Iâve just been diagnosed with Epilepsy, so I canât drive legally.
Now with a Void Elf, they cannot have avoided noticing the changes, their skin has changed, their eyes have changed, the very blood in their veins has changed, I mean you probably could define them as a different -species- than Blood Elves, but these are consistent qualities, every Void Elf has them. Equally every Void Elf hears the Void, constantly trying to drive them mad, and must resist its voices.
Now if a Void elf female becomes pregnant, the child in the womb will be nourished by her bodily fluids, including blood, Thatâs what happens, there is 0 chance of avoiding that. Lets assume Elven gestation is the same as humans (which seems fairly likely), thatâs nine months in the womb. Nine months exposed to those maddening voices, by virtue of your parent. you donât even form a personality in the womb, the child wonât understand the voices, because you donât know language, having never been exposed to it, youâre not even medically sentient or sapient at that point, your only influence is the blood that is delivering these crazed sensations to you. What comes out of the womb would be a thing of nightmare, inchoate and unable to form its own personality, the Void is in the process of doing that for it. But it canât act upon these chaotic desires, it canât walk yet, and that too would be maddening. As children it takes us a while to actually achieve sentience and sapience, for example a newborn child cannot recognise itself in a mirror, something that cats and dogs can do. Usually the influences we get, and the way we learn language, is exposure to our parents, whilst the finer points of language can be learnt at school, the basics you pick up before you even go to school, and you learn that from the language you are hearing as a toddler. I mean an English baby will grow up speaking English, a French baby will grow up speaking French, etc etc.
So consider the young Void elf child, what language is -its- constant companion?
The babbling of the Void. The child wonât have its own personality yet, we donât get that at birth, we form it over the coming years. The problem is, that without a personality, or âsense of selfâ which babies lack, you would have absolutely zero chance of having the mental capacity to resist the Void Whispers. They would fall to the Void before they could even walk or talk. What grew up would be utterly insane and depraved, probably not even able to speak, and assuming it had not attempted self destruction, absolutely unable to have its own personality.
Now what parents would wish that on a child?
Yeah, thatâs where Blizzard seem to have forgotten their own loreâŚ
Blood can transmit the Worgen curse, we see this in Silverpine, at Fenris Keep. Just one drink of itâŚ
Errr, a child in a Worgen females womb is getting fed that blood for nine monthsâŚ
One of these things does not add upâŚ
But yeah its a magical world, so everything is possible I guessâŚ
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Fair points, but there are genetic disorders which do affect mental function, though
I think that they didnât want to deal with the ramifications of what some underaged teen with feral tendencies and a spirit wolf inside them, meant.
I mean, as interesting as it might have been, itâs not as if Blizzard wants to delve much into the drawbacks of curses of that kind.
You can control it more easily if you force said condition through some optional procedure (one not overly complicated).
I wouldâve preferred if it was transmitted by the good olâ biting.
Oh sure, absolutely, but this is a bit different, this is deliberately exposing a child to something that you -know- is dangerous, and that you yourself can barely control, and they will have no chance of controlling, and all this when there is no medical or scientific evidence as to -what- will come out of the womb, weâre looking at it from a 21st century perspective with Ultrasound tests and so on, two Void Elf parents are going to have no idea what is going to happen, they probably wonât, until the baby doesnât start just âkickingâ in the womb, but madly thrashing around in an unremittent frenzy of pain and torment. I mean who knows, such a kid could be âhealthyâ, but given what we know of Void Elves and the Void itself, does that -really- seem likely?
Oh Gods yes, Iâm so glad they went with âNo Worgen Babies, that doesnât happenâ
Yeah, the only problem with that is RP Realms. Imagine some mook coming up and biting your human character. âGreat pal, you gonna pay for my Race change?â But yeah, I agree in principal, it should have been a much more conscious thing.
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