In most of my 2-6 keys, most players with 500-ish gear did around 260k overall, and that was enough to time. Sure, it’s not the 700k overall the impressive warlock did in my +9 key, but it’s really rare that I see these numbers (or anything close to it) in the actual game. I mostly see that in streams when optimized groups do high keys with huge pulls.
Maybe I just need to befriend better pumpers!
or realise that good players dont do 2-6 anymore unless its like +2 Ruby for fst wyrm farm ?
people who are atm stuck in 2-7 are subpar players at best
i would know - im one of them myself 
good players have 0 reason to donaything below +8 -because why would they ?
sometimes people just play bad…
i mean not only dps but just any spec.
i had tanks not using their active mitigation and i had fistweavers that didnt know sck heals massivively in aoe.
for dps it is not only the correct use of rotation but also cds. many people sit on cds forever or use cds for 2 mobs.
trinkets can make a big difference but also stats are huge once you have the highest ilvl.
I had easily a 30k dps difference with my hunter with the same ilvl once i optimized my stats at the end.
on top there will be various group buffs that can influence your dmg by up to 15% and even more with PI.
every run can have a huge difference in m+. in raifs it should be fairly consistent though
For Crests if they need thats why.
As most people said above: warcraft logs will give you most of the answers, it is a pretty decent tool IF you care about improving.
One of the few issues I will point out that like 70-80% of players do not pay attention, is APM.
Leggit you might have the rotation down to perfection, be max bis gear, and still get beaten by a lower ilvl player, just because he is maximizing his globals and has no micro gaps in between (while you might have 0,2-0,6 seconds here and there). Believe me, it is hard to overcome the difference 10-30% more spells do.
Doing some hc and mythic bosses + m+ will cap you on all but whelpling crests. No one that can do a +8 will farm lower keys with crests. He will get them when he is capped anyway.
when you play the game everyday for 10 years like they do , you memorise everything and at that point you can do those stuff. it’s not like the game is changing a lot from expansion to expansion. you just need consistency
yeah - but if they need wyrm then they are likely runing solely ruby +2 as likely the fastest dungeon to farm .
i know i do as its +/- 15 minutes straight forward clears for wyrm .
i managed to do a few of +8 this week - and honestly they were smoother then most of 4-6 i did . +7 are definetly very smooth atm when in good groups cause peopel who cant get into +8 farms run those for wyrm and hero gear.
I think you’ve mis understood me. I dont mean his overall damage was 200k i mean the dps was 200k. Ive done keys upto +6 and have seen anyone do over 600k dps never mind over a mil
Wrong. I’ve played more than some people and they do far better than me.
This kind of logic is like saying if I just play more golf I’ll win the PGA or become a Premier League footballer.
last night on packs before 3rd boss (3 packs bl pull ) in AA 8+ i almost hit 2 mln aoe with bl + cd + trinekt . was on 1.6 mln when packs died. everyone was above 1 mln aoe there. similiar a bit lower numbers on the big pull before tree boss on start of dungeons also with BL.
i dont intend this to be bragging cause there is nothing to brag about. i just wanted to point out what numbers can be expected from people in a bit higher keys with a bit more gear on impotant / dangerous pulls
like i told you before - tell him to read tooltip and understand how multishot works for Bm hunters. and on rotation .
its 100 % this issue.
300-400k should be your standard/minumum on like 5-6 mobs packs.
No, this is you comparing something like a ruby life pools to AA where you can do an infinite pull with lust. Stop being intentionally dishonest.
because in ruby pools you dont do big first pull with BL ?
and dont need decent dps to kill stuff before those nasty dots finish you off ?
Ok, your post makes a bit more sense but ive still yet to see anyone do more than 600k but the highest ive done is +6. And that 600k was myself on AA on the lasher pull.
I think you may have a point on the multi shot 
we done some of the raid on normal last night and he was top 4 dps on bosses. He was on single target build mind.
Not really.
Not sure what dots you talk about. It is basically tank damage with the icebolts.
i mean first the dots on lightinning dragon and then fire dots on trash upstairs.
they are nasty like hell on fortified - especialy for me as hunter i have super hiper limited def cds 
from curisity i also checked overall in BH +7 i was doing last night - we barely +2 that key with few seconds to spare and the overall was like WW monk 380k , warrior 340k and me being scrub 310k . so i assume that to to time it you need on average everybody to be 300k+ overall with tank and healer also doing decent numbers.
Ah well, that is a keylevel vs ilvl thing i suppose. About the lightning it is dispell 1, heal the group, the 2nd falls off, heal the group. I havent defensived it on my keylevel. should have done probably, but i have run the dungeon like 3 times.
Like I said, stop being dishonest, they aren’t remotely comparable. AA first pull is about 33 mobs with uncapped AOE. RLP isn’t close to that many mobs.
I wish i knew how pumpers pump 
i just cant seem to do it right. Been playing BM hunter since its supposed to be fairly easy, and i do ok’ish but not good. I have just never been able to master playing a dps spec.
It is only showing how good of a healer you actually are! Starting a different new role is hard 