How do you deal with the lose streaks?

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Just like it is possible to lose in the starting room simply because of composition + map, regardless if the teammates are incompetent or not. A team with two MW’s vs a team with 2 Resto Shamans on WSG/Twin Peaks, hm, I wonder who wins.

I’m sorry but this is just not an objectively true statement for all ‘skilled players’ of all specs in the game. Can a skilled Enhancement Shaman carry games on their own the same way a Sub Rogue can? Can a skilled Holy Priest on cap the flag maps carry games on their own the same way a MW can?

Right…which is my original point, see here:

I am really good at this game mode, which is why I’m at 2900 MMR. What MMR are you at?

You can’t tell me what should and what shouldn’t annoy me and to what extent it does.

Again, very flawed logic. MW Monks are by far the most broken healer in the game, the fact that in the top 10 BGB ratings 4 of them are a MW Monk proves that in one way but here’s another: MW Monk is the most represented healer above 2200 in EU Blitz, with 37 characters. Preservation is second, with 29 Characters. Disc Priest is third, with 25 characters. Resto Shaman is fourth. Do you know how many Resto Shamans are above 2200 in Blitz? 8. There is more than a 3x difference between the 4th best Blitz healer and the third. So how can you unironically pin the lobbies down to ‘how you perform’ and completely disregard comp balance, particularly healer imbalance?

Stop contradicting yourself. How can you say you in one breath that ‘the game wanted to know if you could win in them’ so you ‘belong’ in lower lobbies but in another breath say:

I don’t agree. My main SP shooted to 2900 MMR for having MW Monks in virtually every lobby and favourable compositions. I’ve played against very capable Resto Shamans who are stuck at lower ratings because their class simply cannot compete against yours. It’s not that they belong there, it’s that your class needs severe nerfs. Do you agree that MW needs more nerfs?

I don’t remember ever saying I am better than every single Russian, perhaps you can point it out? My point was simple: in my experience, Russians have been chronic griefers, like when I gave you evidence of a Russian griefing.

And before you say ‘maybe that Warrior on EOTS was being stupid and was learning!’…explain this:

https://imgur.com/a/JBGzKjW

Ah yes, that famous race…Russian.

It’s all true.

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These two MWs will have a lot of fun if the opponents have two sub rogues and two dks.
Some classes offer an advantage on certain maps. It doesn’t make the match impossible to win. Try what you can, hope for the best. Comp advantage can be outplayed by a smart playstyle.

If they play their cards right, they can make a difference, but it is more difficult for these classes.

You’ve mentioned it enough times already. We get it.
If you think this is impressive, I’m sorry to disappoint you, but everyone and their grandmother is at high mmr because this season is the most inflated I have ever seen by a wide margin. 2900 is where 2400 should be. I get put into lobbies ranging from 2,6-2,9k to answer your question.

Know who else is in these lobbies? This shaman, honor level 11, who healed 1/3 of what I did.

h.ttps://imgur.com/a/J7msUzv

No joke. The shaman is honor level 11 and played like honor level 11.
Not only did he hardly heal, when our team fought at lava, he played 1v1 against a guy at the top cart and didn’t even manage to paint it red.

OK, he may be an exception and players found on this rating are usually not complete idiots, but if you think 2.9 is the elite of the elite, you are mistaken. The premade 10v10 RBGs I used to play in season 3 and 4 of Dragonflight had more skilled players on both sides, and those were on duelist rating.

Yes I do. MW is too strong in Blitz. It was the strongest healer for the mode up to this point and now we get 20% extra on our biggest heals that we use all the time starting from today. This is just unnecessary and MW didn’t have weak output to begin with.
The current week, MW will be OP beyond belief in blitz.

The changes I would introduce if I were in charge:

  • reverse the recent 20% buff and make it like before it was today
  • decrease mobility by making thunder focus tea consume 2 charges if you use it for torpedo. Instead of 4 torpedos in a row, you could have up to 3.
  • Increase the damage of all abilities like RSK, blackout kick and jade lightning by 20% instead. MW does NO damage atm.

MW is not easy to balance and atm simultaneously the best healer for bgs and the worst in Arenas. Giving it more damage and cutting HPS and mobility would be reasonable. The spec is also not doing well in arena because it has to hardcast soothing mist and can easily get kicked, ccd in many ways. Then you just fall behind and if you have no more saves your teammates die. I have no idea how to fix MW in arenas, but more damage will probably help. Most healers, especially prevokers and discs can contribute a significant amount of damage to help with kills in arena while MW does no damage at all. You’re the gladiator / R1 legend. How would you balance mw so that they are viable in both arena and bgs at the same time without being OP?

And I showed you a very lost shaman who wasn’t Russian. I still view it as an issue of the individual player and not the nation.

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I’m about to go shadow. I never seen so many bad players in BGs. Come to think of it, people playing normal BGs are way better than that PVE trash I get on my team.

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Being bad and lost is not the same as deliberately griefing the game for 7 other players.

Okay so next time you have a flag map with 2 MWs on it and you lose to an enemy that has 2 Resto Shamans, screenshot it and send it here. I’ll do the same, although I’m not playing any more Blitz until your abomination of a class is nerfed.

I did not ask if they ‘can make a difference’, I asked if an Enhancement Shaman can carry games on their own the same way a Sub Rogue can or if a Holy Priest on flag maps can carry games on their own the same way a MW can.

So you’ve just gone full circle and proven my point. You don’t ‘belong’ at a rating just because you’re at that MMR. This is applicable to high rating and low rating. Blitz MMR is a complete joke and the only people who ‘belong’ at low ratings are those who lose more games than they win. Which is why, I will repeat myself yet again, that the only time it matters is at the end of the season.

So if/when you don’t get r1 in Blitz are you going to downplay it as an unskilful bracket or?

I’d nerf the mobility like you’ve said, I would nerf Revival so that a) it can’t be used in stuns and b) it does not provide an immunity

I would only be content with MW having damage if it was an actual cooldown like Way of The Crane so it isn’t A) mindless pve damage like FW b) your opponents can trade appropriately with it.

I’d give you an extra meaningful HOT so that getting CC’d or kicked isn’t GG.

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Where does one draw the line between “can’t play better” and deliberate team sabotage?
How does one bad Russian player, whether he acts like this deliberately or not, equate to all Russian players being griefers that cause you to lose? “It’s not just this guy.” - Yeah, and this shaman wasn’t the only bad apple from non-Russian European servers. So? Individual player issue.

If all Russians were like this, there would be none of them in elite rank since they would all derank, but they don’t. I see the same dk, the same lock, the same boomie from russian servers constantly in my team or the other team on my mmr. They try just as much as everyone else to win the match for their team.

Truly, a revolutionary observation that there is a meta in a competitive PvP game mode and specs that are considered meta have an easier time climbing and can carry their team more than off-meta specs. Off-meta can beat meta, it’s just harder than the other way around.

Where is this not the case?

Out of all 5 rated brackets we have for PvP, it is undoubtedly the most influenced by luck as opposed to skill, relatively speaking. I don’t think there is even a debate there. So much, I can tell already.

I play it because I enjoy the gameplay. It’s an easily accessible competitive bg mode you can join with a friend. Perfect for someone like me who likes RBGs but dislikes manual team building.

If I am good enough to become R1, I will make it my goal to try this season and won’t be disappointed if I fail. Not reaching R1 doesn’t mean you are a failure. It means you are not the best of the best of the best. So what? Even If I am not, the game is still enjoyable.

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I’m giving up and going to level alts, 9 Straight losses despite following the objectives and coming either top or 2nd top healing every game. Blizzard can stick this mode where the monkeys stick their nuts

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Erm, when one is making a conscious effort to play and when one is trolling and not even trying?

https://imgur.com/a/JBGzKjW

It’s a pretty clear line.

Which, from my experience, has been more common with Russians.

The Shaman wasn’t a bad-apple, he had a bad game. The Warrior in my group deliberately sabotaged the group, there is a difference.

So the answer to my question is: ‘they can’t’? Contrary to you saying:

‘Provided they play enough games on that character’ defeats the entire point of your statement, you’re basically saying exactly what I said at the start, i.e.:

Skill has very little impact in Blitz, also admitted by yourself, it’s all dependent on having a few people playing some FOTM specs and having a slight idea about what to do.

In Blitz, it’s Spec>Map>Comp> Skill.

Anyway, I’m bored of this now, you’ve been going back and forth with me for like a week and you’re now going in circles and unironically agreeing with what I’m saying.

GL with future games.

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Monkeys do what???

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If that shaman wasn’t intentionally losing the most generous explanation for his performance would be that he got a very lucky streak where he got carried hard by his teammates in previous games and ended up on 2.7 mmr where he was out of his league and didn’t know how to perform adequately.

I don’t see much difference between a warrior who carries a flag to an inactive base or a resto shaman who heals poorly and fights at a new top cart alone when there is an important teamfight. Both could be cases of genuine cluelessness or sabotage.

No, the answer I gave you is that they can, but it is more difficult for them than for a meta spec.

Skill has relatively little impact and luck plays a larger role in comparison to other brackets of rated pvp. Those on top of the blitz leaderboard are not just incredible luckers, they are good at the game first, play a meta spec second, and are somewhat lucky third. In this order.

Not really unless you twist my words and only hear what you want to hear. Your opinion about Russian players in blitz seems completely ridiculous to me, but whatever, I guess.
If this has been your experience with them, so be it. Mine has been different. Everyone who reads this can decide for themself who they agree with more.

GL in your future games at the end of the season after Mistweaver gets nerfed, I guess.

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Stop playing and go do something else IRL for a bit. Then come back. No point requeueing when you’re tilted

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Oh great, another point I have made in this thread which you are agreeing with and don’t even realise! If you can get get lucky and be higher than you ‘should’ be, then you can also be unlucky and be lower than you ‘should’ be!

You heard it here first guys, Fistus does not see much difference between a player that isn’t very good and is most likely learning the game and a player who picks up a flag, runs to an inactive base, and then stands next to you stationary, thereby deliberately griefing the game.

https://imgur.com/a/JBGzKjW

This is NOT ‘a case of genuine cluelessness’, it’s a griefer who deserves to be banned, but the only time people get banned in Blitz is after calling out this nonsense.

So an Enhancement Shaman can carry games the way a Sub Rogue can, which is why EU has 24 Sub Rogues above 2400 in BGB and 3 Enhancement Shamans.

So a Holy Priest can carry games the way a MW can, which is why EU has 1 Holy Priest above 2400 and 33 MW’s. I don’t think even you are believing the words coming out of your mouth.

Another contradiction. If skill has relatively little impact and luck plays a larger role, how can skilled players consistently solo carry unless they’re a meta spec?

There’s no twisting, you’ve gone around in circles and don’t even realise what you’re saying is quite literally in agreement with my very first point in this thread.

P.s., does this 2500 CR Warrior that lost 1 game and lost 800 MMR ‘belong’ in this 1700 MMR lobby or is this another example of the MMR being a scuffed joke?

https://x.com/OmnivoreWarrior/status/1839631295036740023

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To all the people struggling with blitz, I will say this ; There is zero point in getting angry, tilted, dissapointed or simply annoyed due to the variables that currently exist in the bracket. Is it perfect, probably not, I would’ve prefered it to be the generic format that 10vs10 has without the speed mounts or the additional buffs, some like it but again and I’m going to stress it, there is zero point in being negative over all, that you want to play blitz because you enjoy Battlegrounds overall, simply play it with an open mind and face any undesired challenges, that you don’t enjoy facing four rogues and two MWs then don’t join, because guess what, you’re not forced to do so.
I played blitz ever since it got released in DF and personally I like it, that could be better, 100% without a doubt.

But being argumentative and having a moan about MMR, especially on the forums isn’t going to solve anything, the only person that is going to read is the moderator in which has likely no power over the current imbalances, you got a help section in game, write an essay in the form of a bug report & ticket if you have any doubts.

You’re playing a video game at the end of the day, treat it as such. Getting angry over some artificial points isn’t going to help you, if you’re good, you’re good and will likely prevail and reach your personal goals. If that is not the case then same as returning players and veterans alike will have to dedicate some re-learning and understanding of the blitz because it is a tad diffrent to the generic 10v10 due to the nature of the game rules and the randomness that some can find it somewhat unpleasant, but it is still possible to win awkward games.

If you’re winning several games in a row, your MMR will skyrocket regardless of the random drops, and losing one or two, might mean you have to consider what went wrong, and blaming people isn’t going to help for future games.

In my journey I have only reported a player once due to intentionally bringing a flag to an enemy node when he was instructed prio to the flag pick to not do it, and was also asked to drop the flag whilst that player was carrying to the enemy several times, so I can relate to some of the frustration that some players have, but getting angry over it isn’t the way.

Let’s just take it easy, enjoy the game and have fun in the process, and don’t feel yourself forced to play a mode that you don’t enjoy, it does not help.

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Hard stuck with my rogue at 1700-1750 trying my best with random ppl. Meanwhile I’v got 1950 with my warrior in few games after lvl80 cap running around and smashing heads and doing nothing special. Thisis just luck games untill you play with PARTNER via duo-que.

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Almost the same. I struggle with my Druid (which is my main actually) and quickly get 1600 with warrior alt. I didn’t play warrior much, but… wait what?! Situation is simple.

  • Random BG no premades, matchmaking by gear ilvl
  • Random BG premades or within premades
  • Blitz fix MMR:CR
  • RBG fix MMR:CR
  • Solo shuffle: several format, for example same logic but 2x2

That’s it. @Blizzard hire me and I’ll manage dev process like a god to delivery that! Or someone else. But your current dev can’t do that, I guess)

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Not sure, some days i get massive lose streaks and it makes me a bit annoyed, im 1600 rating because that’s where im stuck at currently, i keep matching up against people around the 2.2k - 2.5k brackets, they’re absolutely destroying me in pvp, i can’t even do anything

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Where would that be? Please elaborate

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wont happen because there is no rshamans :joy:

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I usually log an alt when I’m on a losing streak. playing mage/rogue/druid/shaman, usually start my session with my enhance as it can only get better from there, I either suck with enhance or the spec is bad but it’s really hard being valuable as enhance in bg blitz. Well it’s probably a bit of both but I pushed 1K8 on sub relatively quickly feeling like I had a real impact in the game, as caster you deal big dam, but god damn it as enhance I feel like a training dummy.
Anyway I feel you op, just keep grinding you’ll get back to the rating you were in no time!

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yep - they should add rating loss in mythic plus, see how tht goes lmao
mythic+ score isnt capped behind the scenes too, Whaaz literally in 2.1k lobbies in SS hahha

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