Our team has been around since MoP sure most of the players from back then has moved on by now but theres still 3 people from back then in the team, people leave and new people join progressivly and usually the people who we invite are good players and can learn from what we do and tell them. If you go and check the Archives on xunamate you will see the same players to extent has been on the top of the rbg ladder since the websites creation in WoD S3.
As for the case of people dodging eachother i can tell you we have queued into every team on the ladder that would be considered âgoodâ and usually the games are not even close even vs these teams and alot of teams ends up not wanting to queue more then 1-2 games vs us since they dont feel like they can improve getting pubstomped but rather face the other teams that are also considered âgoodâ for more even matches.
And there has been no wintraders in the bracket since WoD season 3 fyi, there also is no real benitift to never losing seeing as we are currently 3750 mmr and with the changes to the MMR system we cant even get a queue pop anymore longest we sat was 2 hours 15 minutes without getting a single team
IF they have to face same skill lvl teams then itâs kinda 70- 30 win ratio (letâs not consider 50-50 for sake of discussion). So I donât agree with 300-1ratio.
Or que system is kinda fked up
Or all top players in same team whoâs making them almost unbeatble. (I doubt that)
Or who cares rbg even isnât in pro competitative scene.
Those two things together actually are the reason. They have the best players in the world that do play RBGs as a team for a long time. Those few that could be a challenge to them usually donât care, and those that do care are not as good as they are.
I think there is something going on, if they are not win-trading then they are abusing a mechanic somewhere, whether itâs in queuing or a terrain bug.
Itâs a mixture of wintrading and queue dodging. At the start of the season, they played legit until the leader (Imbajohni) decided to dodge my team (Team Hayzabona) because we gave them a good fight and we have only improved since then (I guess they dont want to lose their cool win/loss ratio).
We recently passed them in rating (3200 rating) and their leader (Imbajohni) have been organizing paid wintrading sessions for his team (without the team knowing about it). We must bring Imbajohni to justice and ban him from this game.
For the horde.
RBG is a bracket where even the lowest players can end up high rated (im serious just check some players) they are mostly low rated in arenas but high rated in RBG this is a major difference. The current r1 Teams is farming Teams being like that, because they are just overall experienced a lot more and have a lot more gamesense/knowledge etc. So they have an easy time punishing these peoples (rightfully somewhat)
Yes it is possible to lose games even as r1 Team but this only happens when they face teams being on their skill level which is very rare in RBG and if this happens then is there still an around 50:50 chance for them to win.
Also is wintrading by accident is a viable choice, because most high rated players know eachother at this point. But most of the time they dodge themselves because it makes no sense playing 24/7 against eachother
There arenât thousands of teams at high ratings. Back when I still played we queued into the same teams very often, and this was only in the 2.4k-2.7k range (played against the same RBG team 3 times in a row until they quit for the day). If your team is over 3k and thereâs another 3k team queing, youâre going to get matched together.
You get a team of 10 players which are known players from 3v3 ladder (some of them even played on blizzcon). With the proper setup and good CC (which is smthn that almost no RBG team is using properly) you can beat everyone. Donât compare it to 3v3, cuz you canât get such stats there, as it is a smaller team and mistakes are punished often. Meaning you can lose often. With a 10 man team, you are being covered most of the time. Also you can say its a 50:50 chance, as this would mean they are against another team which consist of 10 known players and there is no such team. There always be 3-4-5 people that would be way better then the other team, which increases their chance of winning.
ty for your input, as you are one of those 9 players i was talking about and didnât think any of ye would even be reading this lol. as a side note, i understand a lot of ye use horde toons for your arena teams, if this is right, how come you chose alliance for your RBG?
if what you say is accurate, then i spose this is true:
maybe im just looking at it from a lower level where people are doing lots of rbg for the weekly conquest, the mount, or some of the lower level transmog. it just seems a lot more âlivelyâ with matches popping within minutes or even seconds of queuing.
and if thats the case, then thats just sad as weâre talking about the WHOLE of EU
2v2 is a bracket where even the lowest players can end up high rated (im serious just check some players) they are mostly low rated in RBG but high rated in 2v2 this is a major difference.
The only reason you cant get such ratios 90%+ winrate in 3v3 is cus 90% of the time u lose or win based on what comp you and the enemy team plays which is not the case in rbg where the better players win 90% of the time instead
Most people that play 3v3 has had thier main characters on alliance since way back in the day MoP mainly and usually the horde 3v3 teams consist of those players alts of the same class, so yea the main reason our mainteam is ally is cus thats where everyone has thier actual mains.
Rbg is more skilled than arena, When you q arena you know in the starting room if u should win or not, now if the team that should win doesnât clown hard they win always, in rbg comp has nothing to do with it (unless ur playing 10 useless classes or some garbage class stack), best team wins in rbg
thatâs what I literally said in my first post. Yes RBG requires Skill, Coordination and stuff, but it is a lot and i mean a lot more forgiving than Arena which makes this bracket a lot easier than Arena and nobody can deny that. I could go half brained into a RBG Match and still perfom well because you are not on your own like in 2v2 or 3v3. You will always have 9 peoples in your back making up for your mistakes.
Unfortunately Windwalker has been the worst specc in rbg since Season 15 so i probably wonât ever q up for RBG at a decent level, but it doesnât change the point at all.
Why 3v3 is more skilled then 2v2 because your team needs to coordinate actions of 3 ppl and counter-act other 3ppl. Not 2.
Imagine coordinating 10ppl. On top of that, imagine counter-acting actions of another 10 team.
Imagine not only caring about killing one of the enemy characters, but also doing some map tactics and coordinate seperate groups fighting across the map.
At very top arena team tournaments, overlaping defensive CDs seen quite often. Imagine trying to now overlap def/healing CDs during 9v9 fight. Imagine coordinating interrupts and stuns of 4-5dps on 3 healers to blow one up.
In 3v3 u have 1 healer, enemy has 1 healer. you are in constant 3v3 fight. Its easy to keep track on all enemy abilities, but good luck trying in RBG.
3v3 is MUCH easier then RBG since there are more things to improve. Also win ratios of the best team is proving it. (its not just this season, top team having 90%+ win ratio is common thing in every season)
Itâs baffling to see people keep moping about 50/50 win ratio because there certaily needs to be better players. No they arenât they are just the best team we have and there is no second team to complete.
For a mouthbreather at 1500 rating is like you are trying to prove that the guys at 2.5 should not be 2.5 cause they are cheating cause they beat any 1.5 k team. Itâs not the 2.5 k team fault that the others suck they should probably be around 4 k mmr if itâs even possible but due to the system they canât rise higher without a rival that is higher and since all rival teams sucks they will just be a little above the competition with insane win lose ratio. Itâs like method last expansion no one thought they could be beaten after last tiers we have US starting to gain ground.
Maybe this is what will happen here but until then this is legit you canât win trade without losing.
why do you have to throw insults around off the bat? and whos talking about 50-50 win ratio? weâre talking about 346-1 win ratio. at that point, statistics and probability SHOULD come into play.
anyone who looks at their random battle ground record often finds that over all it is around 50-50 and that is commonly accepted, no matter how long that bad streak feels like its going on for.
but i think maybe the answer has been stumbled across in this thread, and also by you. and it is a sad one:
Sorry if i insulted someone directly but itâs quite hard to grasp other people not grasping the ideea that the 50/50 ratio or 70/30 ratio is apart of soemthing bigge. Those types of stuff donât work at the high and low end of any system ever and now we have one of those ultra high ends where yes a sad answer is that there is no one that can compete with them at least now. From experience if you canât imrpove by competing against someone you will lose some skill somehow not much but maybe enough for other to come close.
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