alas you can’t be traitors to something you created that came from your ideals aka Thrall is the one true creator of the horde the same horde you betrayed your nothing but a lowly worm serving a dead elf who don’t even care about you … your nothing
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If you want to play world of PEACEcraft i have to let you know this is world of WARcraft and the game is based on faction wars.
Now alliance snowflakes demand peace when they are beaten, nothing new here but still laughable.
Everybody is a total nothing in front of her great plan.
Man when that plan is over, you will cry for days seeing her being our savior 
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Yeah, except that’s not really true. He didn’t do anything when Illidan killed Xe’ra, he still loves his wife who embraced the void and has no problem to use the light together with her void powers when iterrogating greenskins. He’s more tolerant than the Argents, which is funny.
That’s not hinted anywhere. The dialogue between him and Shaw means nothing, and even if it did, all Genn says is that Turalyon is adequate and he trusts him enough to fully focus on finding Anduin. If anyone seems to dislike Turalyon it’s Shaw.
Oh, and funnily enough, the only occassion where Genn and Turalyon are at one place is in the Shadows Rising book. Genn is portrayed as overly agressive there, wanting to attack Zandalari because he thinks they are hiding Sylvanas, while Turalyon remains calm and says we have to investigate. You can read it here for yourself - New Excerpt from Shadows Rising - Shadowlands Prequel Novel - Wowhead News.
A nice little quote from there - “The armistice,” Greymane hissed, obviously unenthused. “We can rely on the Horde for nothing. How many times must we learn this lesson, Anduin? I know you know better.”
Making Genn go against Turalyon when he plans to reconquer Lordaeron/Gilneas would be one gigantic lorelol. Now of course it’s possible that it can happen, we are talking about Blizzard writers, but it would totally ruin his character.
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According to the BfA table missions, the Alliance already reclaimed Gilneas. With Stromgarde reclaimed, their hold over Gilneas is secured.
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If yrel crosses through from draenor with her lightbound i could definitely see turalyon allying with her, they arent much different from the lightforged hes fought alongside.
And no doubt Yrel would try to convert the maghar who joined the horde.
yrel x anduin would be more interesting then anduin x taelia and honestly the alliance could use a more radical counter to anduin’s peacemongering
valeera x arator could be cool too
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We will probably once again fight for ancient Night Elf towers, with the poor Night Elves nowhere to be seen. 
Realtalk: Nothing will happen until the factions are needed again as some cheap plot device. Probably some Horde dude starting a war, the other horde dudes following that guy, the alliance on the defensive, turning into a stalemate, the horde dude is suddenly hortler 3.0 and the other horde dudes join the alliance to defeat him, ending in “draenor is free™” and a dissatisfied lore player base.
Dingdingding, someone said the line! That they believe that the whole “Fighting the Scourge, Burning Legion, Iron Horde, Old God forces etc” thing was just a bit of a kerfuffle!
Every time Blizzard has attempted to use the faction war recently it’s gone very badly. Neither side feel satisfied because it usually goes like this:
Horde inflicts awful defeat on Alliance.
Alliance get minor victories.
Alliance allies with not completely evil parts of the Horde, who get as much if not more spotlight when it comes to defeating the fully evil part of the Horde.
All is “forgiven”.
The Horde isn’t made to truly confront they problems in its society that allowed them to follow their leaders into atrocity.
The Alliance doesn’t get its big victory that doesn’t involve either heavy losses, being made to feel bad, or is dominated by the Horde’s involvement.
Horde players feel bad because they were forced to align with blatant evil, they somehow missed the part where mass murder is bad, and because they’re forced to fight their own heroes.
Alliance players feel bad because they don’t feel like they’re able to pursue Justice without punishment, that they’re only passive actors, or that they’re not allowed to defeat the Horde- only the Horde’s allowed to defeat the Horde. Also night elves get screwed over badly, and the Alliance is basically boiled down to “Humans and subservient allies”. Even when they weren’t the only ones who were attacked (or were even significantly attacked at all)
An expansion or two occur where the two factions by and large work together against a major threat, before we’re told to forget all the times we worked together, because someone wants to murder someone, and it all spirals into everyone killing everyone.
If the faction war weren’t already worn out by the end of MoP, it’s become loathesome, stale, and stupid after BfA. It’s time to take it out back and go Old Yeller on it.
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I think this time with Anduin and Jana gone most likely that Alliance will take initiative on attacking.
Horde from lore point of view is in dis-array with no clear leadership and low morale with what happened during last few expansions and given how there’s resistance on Alliance side for peace it’s most likely some of major alliance characters will make a move on horde.
If Blizzard has to rewarm the faction conflict again (i hope they don’t) that’s how i want it to be.
A threatening Alliance, led by their more warlike leaders without Anduin’s interference would give a chance for the many new and at the moment pale characters to shine, a reason to really unite and a chance to bring the Horde back to it’s WoW-roots as “Outsiders” uniting to find and defend their place in the world.
ps. Time for me to change my character Again, no longer Aethil, I’m back to Horde in time for Shadowlands 
(Ragja now.)
Pretty good summary. There are so many people craving the faction conflict as a theme, but a few months into such an expansion the forums and reddit are filled with topics about how horrible, badly written or one-sided the whole thing is for example robo-cat versus the liberation of Razor Hill in Mists of Pandaria.
And not to mention how tone-deaf Blizzard is in regards to the playerbase of both factions as usually Alliance players demand some form of justice and vengeance for everything that has happened so far, yet they are pushed into the goody-two-shoes direction meanwhile the Horde becomes moustache-twirling-evil for the Xth time which is nearly universally hated.
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That’s what I thought after wotlk with aggro varian
That’s what I thought after MoP with aggro Jaina & Genn
Both times I’ve not only been terribly wrong, but also terribly disappointed.
I’ve been waiting for the Alliance to go full Garithos on the Horde ever since I’ve started playing. But after over 10 years, I’ve come to the conclusion that this is probably never going to happen.
Biggest TRUE ever! We’re the biggest victims in wow.
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Tyrande kills Anduin and Trall on accident.
Turalyon and Alleria take Stormwind leadership
Sylvanas confronted by Tyrande shows that it was a must to “save us all”.
Next expansion - RISE OF THE ELVES. or the aftermath, rebuilding cities ect.
New faction - Sanlayn - Leader Sylvanas
New faction- Highelves - leader Vareesa
third faction - all elves united.
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I frankly have a hard time imagining that these people have actually thought about what they want. I know I shouldn’t just assume that they are ignorant or stupid, instead of having a valid viewpoint… But I just can’t wrap my head around the idea that they actually like the conflict that is still founded on orcs vs. humans… while Orcs and Humans now are each in multicultural alliances with eleven additional, very different cultures each! Yes, race wars can work, and culture clashes can work. Usually in tandem. But both Horde and Alliance now include very similar cultures and races, just look at the frickin’ elves, where both sides now essentially have Night Elves and High Elves. The racial lines are already broken with just the slimmest of pretense that they aren’t, and with culture there isn’t even that pretense, Void Elves are just a specialised group of Blood Elves.
Neither Horde nor Alliance are racist at a basic level anymore, they have too many too different races with them.
Neither Horde nor Alliance are cultural supremacists anymore, they have too many too different cultures.
And neither Horde nor Alliance have a unifying ideology that actually clashes with that of the other faction.
There is just no way to sell a faction war that actually fits the situation they presented us with, they will always have to include a civil war. And we have heard that song twice before, now. No one liked it.
Ironically, the factions, the tool that is supposed to create interesting conflict, is preventing it now. It would be quite easy to have Night Elves fighting Forsaken, Humans fightuing Orcs and Dwarves fighting Tauren, even Goblins fighting Gnomes, if you want to create these conflicts. Or Forsaken fighting Frost Wolves over honor and Gnomes fighting Night Elves over enviromental stuff, while we are at it… There are clear ideological distinctions and violent histories between those culturally mostly homogenous races. But throwing in a multicultural coalition that has to approve of the conflicts stops them in their tracks. What convinces the Dwarf to fight the Tauren who is sitting on his holy land with titan ruins, certainly won’t convince the Night Elf to do the same.
And I would like to see these kinds of wars again. These kinds of politics, where race isn’t necessarily destiny. Where races can be on one side on one issue , and on a different side on another. But for that to happen, the faction has to take a backseat, or even better, just be dissolved.
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anyway bfa was suppose to the end of the faction conflict because team ion though they could could do it better assuming they aren’t lying their pants of as usual there should be no more faction wars
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I could see lightbound draneie vs maghar being the next major conflict, its only a matter of time before Yrel wants to come through that draenor portal
The problem is that the world building isn’t allowed time to breathe. The Night Elves lost their capital, and so did the Forsaken. What’s the first thing on the agenda? “GURRR HUNT SYLVANAS!” - The Night Elf leader. That’s irresponsible and selfish. The Night Elves first priority should have been to establish a new capital.
But the story is too character driven these days, and major events like the Burning of Teldrassil and the Stabbening of Azeroth™ are just big, flashy moments meant to evoke some form of shock but it doesn’t really generate an interesting aftermath. It’s like a lightning in a puddle.
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I’d like to see the story return to vanilla-like state, where there’s a tenuous peace between the factions, with maybe a skirmish or two here and there for resources like the old WSG, and for the focus to be on the individual races and their own domestic problems.
The humans could still have the Defias problem with Vanessa still kicking and no one but few rogues knowing. They could be an even greater threat after the fourth war, as the economic losses Stormwind must’ve suffered were likely enormous, and there should currently be a deep crisis in the kingdom. Maybe we could even see some of the nobles conspire against Anduin/Turalyon.
The gnomes could focus on finally retaking their city, cleaning it up from the radiation and troggs, working on more experimentation etc.
The dwarfs could have the issue with the Dragonmaw orcs in Wetlands, Rogue Dark Irons who want to bring Ragnaros back, Frostmane trolls, etc.
The night elves could focus on rebuilding their lands, clearing out the rogue Horde/Forsaken extremists, maybe deal with the remnants of the Lefion and the Twilight Hammer in Ashenvale and Darkshore, build up their new base in Hyjal and securing the mountain…
The Draenei could finally get to cleansing Bloodmyst Isle, building more settlements on it and the Azuremyst, helping the night elves, etc.
The worgen could focus on retaking Gilneas and combatting the rogue Forsaken forces there, maybe even have some ancient evil stir under Blackwald, pirates assaulting the shores opened up by the Cataclysm, etc.
The Pandaren could just help around I guess. Maybe they could focus on creating their own settlements in the EKs.
LF could help out keep the peace in Stormwind or help clear the rest of the Legion forces on Azeroth, or help out the normal Draenei.
VE could continue their research on the void, maybe expand their settlement on Telogrus, or even create small camps in Duskwood or Deadwind.
KT already have residual issues in their own kingdom to take care of.
DI would have to deal with their treacherous brethren who want to revive Ragnaros.
Mechagnomes could help their gnome brethren with Gnkmeregan I guess.
The orcs could focus on rebuilding their bases and expanding their settlements in the barrens and Durotar, weeding out the insurgents and the demon-worshipping cults, securing the northern borders and Azshara against the night elves, maybe even expanding further into Dustwallow.
The Darkspear could focus on helping expand Grom’gol and Bambala, and even taking over some of the ruins near them and turning them into their own bases in order to keep a close eye on the Gurubashi.
The Tauren could work on finally getting rid of the dwarfs in the Southern Barnes, rebuilding Taurajo, mending the rift south of it, securing their outposts in Stonetalon, Feralas and Desolace and expanding into Thousand Needles and retaking Freewind Post from the Grimtotem.
The Forsaken could still be having skirmishes with some of the more extremist Alliance in Hillsbrad and Arathi, trying to get rid of the blight and the army of mindless skeletons from Undercity and Tirisfal Glades, take over Pyrewood in order to secure their south border against the worgen, probably try and fortify Andorhal, and maybe even try to conquer Caer Darrow and Scholomance to use a sense their easternmost base of operations in Lordaeron.
The blood elves could finally start cleansing Ghostlands, dealing with final pockets of Amani resistance and wiping out the Scourge, as well as securing their outposts on Azeroth.
The goblins could deal with Gallywix and his loyalists who’d try to assault and take over Azshara and Bilgewater Harbor, defend their settlements over Azeroth from the Venture Co and other enemies, etc.
The pandaren could do similar stuff as their Alliance counterpart.
NB could repair their capital and lands, retake the ruins surrounding Suramar from the ghosts and the spider elves and deal with the remaining pockets of Felborne traitors. Also, they could help the blood elves in Ghostlands and Eversong.
HM could rebuild their lands and exterminate any remaining demons and Feltotem traitors. Also, they could help out their Kalimdor brethren.
Mag’har could help the orcs and the goblins out with their problems, secure their growing outposts in Twillight Highkands and dealwith the botanic in the Barrens.
The Zandalari could help the Darkspear with securing the Darksprey Village in Desolace and the bases and ruins in Stranglethorn.
The Vulpera could open up trade caravans all over Kalimdor and would have to deal with the pirates, bandits, Grimtotem, centaurs, etc.
Just some ideas.
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I’ll certainly agree that that was the best age for the faction conflict… But do we actually need factions for that at all? The small conflicts you mention seem to work better instead of worse, if attacking one people doesn’t mean you just declared war to the whole of WoW-NATO, don’t they?
Well, yes. You know I’ve been advocating for the factions abolishing for a while. We don’t need the factions anymore. They are redundant and are dragging their members down.
The story would be much better without them, but since the devs don’t want to get rid of them, the scenario I proposed would at least make them bearable. Say what you will about Classic, but a least its approach to the story was far better than what we have now imo.
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