I find it quite amusing how people using the expression “Woke” theese days. It has really been watered down and used to everything people dont like. It doesnt mean anything anymore, much like racist or fascist. Its just a label people put on something they dislike.
As for the story, I dont really have any problem with it. Quite frankly I like it. Its a fresh breeze away from the dark and “saviour of the universe” stories we’ve had lately.
I feel a little… big. And that’s not just my Pandaren belly, it’s that dragons are constantly listening to my advice. It’s absurd 
The point is that they may be talented but their art style doesn’t fit the game. All their designs are effeminate and cutesy, even Illidan looks softer in his new model and has nothing on the Didier’s original concept art: https : // www . deviantart. com /samwisedidier/art/Warcraft-Illidan-450459355
They would do well for a My Little Pony MMO or some young teen fantasy game.
This right here is how I have felt, and I just skip cinematics now when I see more of this crap. What an absolute disaster of a story and lore. Who on earth is their target audience? Anyone actually like this crap or are they all living in their own bubble?
Ah well, gameplay and what they did with m+ affixes is a giant step in the right direction, but I feel nothing from this world and chars they created.
WoW has developed it’s art style over the years and it was always a bit cartoonish, hyper realism was never in the game except for expansion cinematics, I quite like the new characters and zones I think they all fit perfectly within the game.
There is still space for doom and gloom of course just look at Maldraxxus, The Maw and Revendreth and it’s inhabitants.
70% of wow villains traits is “insane and delusional” not only malygos isn’t unique on that part, he doesn’t posses anything to make him stand out.
Kalec has plenty of traits to make him compelling, he’s been around since TBC, had comics, books and probably one of the only characters that still stay consistent and didn’t fall victim to Blizzard’s narrative
It means the same thing it always has DF is undoubtedly a woke game if you wanna use the term at all. Imma get a weekly ban if I go into details regardless of how diplomatic and politically correct the explanation may be, because it’s not a discussion you can have on any of these platforms.
Illidan’s WC3 model was made following that concept, and it was the same as all the other models too. Warcraft was not “cartoony” and I’m tired of this all-encompassing term used to dismiss any and all art style changes we’ve had in the last few years.
It had an overly exaggerated art style with some wonky proportions to lighten the mood and simplify the rendering, but old designs still had a “rough” vibe that’s no almost entirely gone. There is a “sliding scale” to all stylized art styles, and that scale is firmly in furry/scalie land.
Courage the cowardly dog and Spyro are both cartoony, do they have the same art style? Look at the new character models and all the anthropomorphic animals like gnolls etc. Their faces and eyes are more human-like and less bestial, that’s why Vulperas and new Worgen are furries, but Worgen and old Tauren weren’t.
Look at these 2 dragon models and tell me they have the same style discounting the polygon counts:
https : // www.dragonsinn .net/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/wow_dragon12.jpg
https :// preview.redd.it/about-the-new-random-dragon-model-not-a-fan-tbh-v0-44p6r9n7le691.jpg?auto=webp&s=2ddae6f25301c1cf4d56cb91d96eb120b3f7a2b1
Warcraftlore subreddit finally doesn’t spam posts about outrageous writing left and right, actually this forum is the only community where i see bashing of a blue flight questline, and the main reason for bashing is of course “wow stopped being super hero action movie”
Yeah, now it’s a Dr. K therapy stream. It’s already pretty evident numbers-wise which model the players prefer.
If you percieving it like this it’s your personal problem, maybe it’s a call for receiving actual help from therapist idk.
What numbers? And if you really have exact numbers how they correlate with current theme of expac? The only info we know is blizzard saying that DF sales were worse than SL, and SL was best selling expac ever lmao.
But DF’s sub retention is better than SL or BFA
Wrong again. People bash it because characters are dumb and the plot (if there’s any) is boring, or at least told in a boring way.
If I want to see average people doing average things I’ll look out the window.
I perceive it like that because that’s what it is, if almost every questline boils down to characters reconciling their past trauma and making friends with each other, learning each other’s culture and growing together, healing the world, I’m sure as hell not gonna perceive it as cool badass fantasy game that the WoW needs to be, and which every successful (sales and hype wise) expansion has been.
Listen to literally any WoW YouTuber for insight into their own numbers, raid participation, or just use your eyes when playing the game. I’ve seen maybe 20 people in total in Zaralek Cavern in the last 5 days.
Nah, many people noticed that without searching for it.
When exactly wow characters were smart and reasonable? Why character smartness is a way of measuring a quality of writing?
To check if there is plot you need to buy dragonflight expansion and go through main campaign, my best bet is story is stored there.
Not average people doing average things is a good way of telling a character driven story.
Hot take.
This theme suggests itself for dragon isle expansion if you atleast slightly familiar with lore of flights.
It’s funny because overabundance of high stakes and characters with personality of a cardboard box was a main critique for wow writing since I remember playing it in legion, and this criticism is valid, it’s hard to perceive world of warcraft as world when all you see is conflict after conflict and details on how azeroth denizens actually live their lives is at best possible outcome will be described in books
No thanks I’m not a degenerate person
Zaralek not being popular is other talking point, it not correlates with expac theme at all
Can I be confident that all this people are in same room with us?
Well, comparing wrathion to himself in MoP he lost about 50 IQ and all of his emotional maturity.
Because you can’t write dumb characters into interesting scenarios in a serious setting. You CAN write them into good deadpan comedy like Airplane, Naked gun etc., but WoW’s narrative is trying to be former.
But these guys ARE average people. Sure, they can turn into dragons and are thousands of years old but neither of them means anything. Sometimes they fly onto a mountain and despite their age they’re immature both emotionally and intellectually. You can find people like them in a shopping mall.
Ah didn’t realize we were dealing with an intellectually superior busy guy here who has a fulfilling life. Proceed to jam your fingers back into your ears then because you are evidently not interested in getting any insights here.
Who knows maybe you’re right, maybe Dragonflight is actually the most popular and populated expansion we’ve ever had and not at an all-time low numbers-wise, with raid participation equal to the worst of Shadowlands.
Only with you because you’re the only delusional one here.
Wrathion was soft rebooted in BFA, I think it was obvious for everyone, anyway his inadequate behaviour in zaralek is explained by whispers
Why arthas picked evil looking sword in evil cave with writings warning him not to pick it? Is he stupid?
Wow dragons are like this since WotLK
What exactly is immature about current aspects? The only immature behaviour was showed by Sab and Wrathion, they were affected by whispers AND considered young by other dragons.
Other dragons are very polite, benevolent and considerate.
But yes, dragons never been showed as some otherworldly beings in wow, non they are super smart
We aren’t in a room, silly.
What?.. And, What?.. 
I admit I haven’t read most of the walls of quest text but I’ve listened to all conversations during the campaign and no, neither are obvious and both sound like excuses the writers make after they realized they screwed up and fans started poking at them.
Just like in GoT’s last season when tyrion and varys turned dumb because the writers ran out of book.
Anyway, it makes zero difference to me how bad the story is, I just feel sorry for people who had expectations.