Naaah it’s not 100% Blizzard’s… Drows are dark elves from DnD, they live underground, they have dark skin and white hair, small in size, women rule their society whereas males are smaller and weaker (sentinels warriors are notably females, druid casters are male yadda yadda). Plus, they have some kind of fetish for spider gods and some kind of spider version of themselves (just like nightborne). They prefer darkness and their eyes are susceptible to the sun light.
Soooo, it’s like night elves and nightborne are the wow version of a drow…
Obviously not enough, given the demand and love for it. If Nightborne are not sufficiently filling the niche for payers.
Also rejected civilization, allies, mixing in the world, arcane use, highborne - but after their vigil ended, they started accepting all these. And without Legion, Sundering, Azshara and Arcane issues.
Prediction? They can have both too. Although Illidari warlock is something that fits really well. Who knows.
She might, she might not. She did risk her lives and sentinels saving them, and recognised her city and was pleased they chose to fight this time round. She has been known to accept magic users - Shen’dralar, Demon Hunters, Sunstriders in WotA.
A relationship is not a union. And race is allowed to have more than one friend. Nightborne do not belong to the blood elves. Their friendship is nice, but so too would night elf (incl Darnassian) /Nightborne friendship. (and more unique for being cross faction0
All true, it’s a proposal to make things work in a way all the night people fans would like (not just one group of them). It’s okay for a race to have different facets and interactions on multiple fronts.
Yes, they could do that, however I don’t see how that is any better than options 1 or 2 I proposed, zones more suited and available, that also offer them much more and show off much more of the entire racial group in a better structured way. Unless you just don’t like the idea of either.
Not sure why it makes a “helluva” lot more sense. Broken isles is already built and designed, it’s lore appropriate (moreso than darkshore), with zones and peoples well designed to cater to all the facets of the night elves - both pre-sundering and long vigil.
They could do darkshore, I just don’t see why it is any better than any other location, especially one where the work has already been done.
Thanks Toboro, I looked it up. I’m convinced now that the “drow” are the dark elf half the night elves are based on, the other half being the forest elf. There was an article I read online where the devs explain the night elves are created to be the best of the dark elves and the forest elves - and when I see their Moonguard/highborne/Nightborne lore, with cities like Suramar & Zin’Azshari and the priesthood, then see their druidic lore of the long vigil, and how the Darnassians lived, this is exactly what we get.
It seems they have that in the night elves with their Moon Priests, Moonguard, Highborne, Demon Hunters, then their Druids, Sentinels, Huntresses, Wardens.
They Nightborne seem to be a sub race focusing on the dark elf/ arcane side of them, while the Night elves have both sides in them still - which makes sense since they are the core race.
It would be interesting to see Nightborne develop some elune priesthood and druidic elements. The quests with the Valewalker and Val’Sharah druids with the resulting Arcan’dor, and then the Nightborne female admiration of Tyrande as well the significance of the city to the Order of Elune are good reasons to have a version of druidsm and Elunism in the Nightborne, but one that is more arcanised.
i.e. their druids are almost all balance druids (maybe a form of Valewalker?)
Their priesthood is more urban based in the manner it operated in night elven society before the sundering.
Oh for sure the faces of both male and females could be a bit more polished. I do wish we had a male NE option 1 for a option for male Nightborne though. I agree the faces could do with some sort of update.
They don’t belong to Blood Elves, but you want them to belong to Night Elves?
Nightborne have made friends with Lightforged Draenei, Blood Elves, Trolls, Orcs, Goblins and Humans.
Ironically, when speaking to Night Elves, they were met with hostility. Look at Suramar and Zin’Azshari with Shandris. The fact is, the Kaldorei, don’t like them.
That’s fine. It makes sense.
Whilst the Shen’dralar fought against the Demons to defend Dire Maul, the Nightborne hid away. It’s fine that one group doesn’t like the other.
It’s like Blood Elves and Void Elves. They simply do not like each other, with good reason.
Void Elves have established a good union and friendship with the night elves, humans, dwarves, nightborne and others.
It still works better with my way.
On Kalimdor - check
Close to their forest vales - check
Near Hyjal - check
What have they got to lose, dear?
Read above. The check list is what makes sense.
Your repeating yourself, love.
Illidari Warlocks were all Blood Elves.
Only Night Elves within the Illidari, were:
a minority
Demon Hunters
Illidari lore is now tied to the Demon Hunters.
We actually do have Night Elf Paladins, albeit only a few, but still.
I literally see no high demand for it.
And we are not going to be seeing it for a while, given Shadowlands.
I’m happy about that. As an elf fan, I’m a bit tired of Highborne culture being forced down our throats.
Agreed, all said, they could look nicer. They’re supposed to be very good looking. Not sure why blizzard is rationing good looking so tightly on male toons.
Love the pun on the city. However, DarnASHus did not become that way because of living out of isolation was disastrous, or arcane was bad, or having anything more than druid lifestyle is good.
Tyrande’s response to DarnASHus is more intense arcane and void magic wielding. Clearly, it’s not civilization, culture or magic, nor kaldorei aspects like highborne, Illidari etc that is the problem for the night elves here. Sylvanas.
When does proposing friendships, or keeping to their racial identity become “belonging to”? Did I not say Belf friendship was nice, and NElf friendship is elcome and even more apt than the cross faction Blood elf/Draenei friendship?
I think they should be the poster child for cross faction friendship, given their common roots, and the current lore has no hate between them. We know Nightborne get on well with other faction night elves too. Don’t see why elements of the kaldorei like the priest and highborne in particular can’t. They aren’t blood elves.
I think the night elf friendship is stronger. We had night elves working with their kin for all the 7.0 story line - this is where the strongest connection is. Silgryn is the only Nightborne that experiences the lightforged, and only the Kirin’tor humans and gnomes interact briefly during 7.1’s assault on the city. Khadgar meets Thalyssra for the Nighthold raid.
Surely you aren’t suggesting any other alliance group has stronger ties with the Nightborne? once again, Nightborne aren’t blood elves, they don’t have issues with kaldorei, they’re actually quite proud of their Kaldorei heritage (did you not listen to Valtrois and Thaedris or catch the whole essence of pre-sundering kaldorei /highborne culture their? A part of their race the Darnassians have accepted back post Long vigil.
They weren’t met with hostility, Tyrande appeared reluctant to Thalyssra - certainly not all night elves, and she helped them - that is not hostile, she just wasn’t super eager like Liadrin, but Farodin, and other night elves made an even larger contribution (I mean the Arcan’dor replaces the nightwell marrying nature with the arcane).
Then concedes to Thalysra points and works with her and Lor’themar.
Let’s not take that section out of context. Would you say Shandris digs at the highborne (some of whom she’s friends with) in context to fallen Zin’Azshari and the sins the palace highborne and former Queen). DIgs at Thalyssra as a faction enemies, not peronal one.
Which is the reason for Tyrande’s initial reluctance (not hate). No animosity develops, in fact Ty is pretty proud they stood up this time to fight near the end of the campaign indicating an improvement on her part. Not Liadrin levels ofc.
Regardless of Tyrande, more night elves are shown to like the Nightborne, and all Nightborne are shown to love the kaldorei - again they aren’t blood elves, their is no kaldorei hate in this group.
I’ll have it my way - are you listening to Frank Cinatra?
That’s still no clear advantage. Broken isles is as heavily steeped, even more so having 3/5 of it night elf relevant, compared to Kalimdor that has roughly 1/3 to half.
We’re talking Drakshore here also, not all of Kalimdor. And broken isles is as much night elf zone (bar stormheim/Highmountain) as any in Kalimdor, in fact more steeped in Night elf lore and history.
Lots of forests their too, but not all night elves are about forests either - last I checked we had civilian night elves, highborne, priests who are at home in cities and temples.
Hyjal is a druid wild god sacred site, Cathedral of Eternal night, Suramar have more relevance to the rest of the night elves, including priesthood and co.
In Legion, the wild gods moved to Val’Sharah, the birthplace of druidsm, also on the broken isles. Marlone, Cenarius, Avianna, Ashamane are all in that region now.
You’re forcing me love.
Now that is your first totally incorrect statement. By your argument there, we shouldn’t have night elf demon hunters or illidari either - but wait, what do we have???
The majority of the demon hunters are ight elven from all depictions in Legion, WC3, Cata remake. In TBC we see blood elves join, lots in Karabor been trained, all of which were slaughtered. Of the survivors that get captured by Maiev, the majority are night elves.
llidari are mainly night elf, I mean given their leader is one. Some have been doing it far longer than TBc. obviously they don’t have a problem with using demons to achieve their ends… did you do the Legion class hall? The Illidari would make the best warlocks.
I haven’t seen any Illidari technically being called a warlock, so I don’t see how Illidari warlocks are all blood elves. I know that Illidari are because of their trade and training the most adept at using demons and handling them - this makes them the perfect candidates.
If we can have night elf Illidari demon hunters, we can have night elf illidari warlocks. I don’t see any other kaldorei whether highborne, priest or druid.
You just saw me respond to Nathara - surely you’re not losing your memory or blind love. Clearly she isn’t the only one either. Drae liked my suggestion. And I have seen many a night elf fan upset at this whole part of their lore extravagantly visible, not having a major role with them.
It is an un-necessary source of annoyance blizzard could easily fix in a way night elf fans wouldn’t mind, despite Nightborne being on the horde. My gut feeling tells me the issue at heart is not so much as Nightborne been given to the horde as much as it is night elf players robbed of having that part of their fantasy involved or playing a sizeable part for them.
I frankly don’t see why we can’t have either well done highborne development for night elves or/and a positive night elf / Nightborne involvement via the broken isles, certainly the night elf factions there get on well with the Nightborne, I don’t see why highborne and some priests from the Darnassians can’t - they have a lot of incentives, and some druids from the Darnassians also.
Just as not all Draenei are friendly with the blood elves, it can be the same for the night elves, wit the Nightborne, and night elf nigthborne ties are much deeper than draenei/blood elves. The relationship isn’t hate based either (stop thinking night elf and blood elf - Nightborne aren’t blood elves, they don’t hate the night elves, nor do the night elves hate the Nightborne.)
Hopefully blizzard would fix it. Rifting night elves and Nightborne would be bad, they should play to the strength of Thalyssra’s character in 7.0.1 and base her groups interaction on that. This would mean Nightborne amicable to night elves, and at least some night elves returning in kind.
I like how they got saved from their curse and from the legion, and how all the elves were involved. I liked that their salvation had a night elven flavour to it - blending night elven arcane with night elven nature magic in the Arcan’'dor.
I like that it shows the night elven side, and they got through, I think they should be the elf group, along with the Darnassian highborne that want elven re-unification, and though on the hrode, they work with the highborne to bring elves together.
The reason this can work is because, they are a night elf heavy group that is new to the horde, and owe much to the alliance and more to the kaldorei race they are from. But most importantly, being on the horde doesn’t have to mean you’re a horde fanatical race where everything is “for the horde” - you could be much closer to neutral - and their story makes the m the perfect candidate.
It also gives them a political purpose, and because of the very involved campaign both factions had with them, they are also the race (even moreso than the lightforged), to be accepted by both factions.
Being 10k years old, witht heir history, if you think about it properly, they are on the whole bound to be more far more loyal to elven issues than faction issues. We must never forget that faction issues are largely obsessed over by humans and orcs, whiles others have joined in, they are less centred around them. If you can accept that, you can see the Nightborne interacting with night elves from an Elf reconciliation stand point. It would naturally mean more to them than racial squabbles with humans, worgen, orcs and trolls and all their convoluted history, they’d also be removed from the Darnassian/Thalassian angst.
Who the Nightborne were loyal to.
And, darling, we have to remember. The Nightborne feel nothing for Teldrassil, on that sort of level, because the tree was planted after Warcraft 3, but before WoW. It was the youngest of the World Trees.
The Nightborne might be in horror of what took place outside Lor’danel, but the tree itself…no, they wouldn’t feel anything because why would they? They’ve spent 10,000 years in Suramar. They’ve literally known Teldrassil for a few months.
Blood Elf and Draenei cooperation.
This hasn’t meant that the recent war or the war in Pandaria, made them stop fighting.
This has always been the case.
A friendship with night elves, outside the Alliance, perhaps - but even so, those Night Elves have also stated they long to visit the Blood Elf capital.
But the Alliance Kaldorei have issues with them, which we have seen twice over.
They don’t like them, love. That’s that. Tyrande is in no mood for forgiving.
At this stage, Suramar and Boralus have a stronger chance to maintain a friendship, than Suramar and…well, where are the Night Elves living…? Hyjal?
And your keep harping on about something that was before the Alliance and Horde. Times have changed and with it, new interests.
I don’t think forcing the race in question, to maintain the strongest friendships with their ancestral race is the way forward - not when we’ve got Highborne descendants, where they shared a similar problem and can relate on a better basis.
Not part of the Alliance.
Because Azshara interrupts Shandris, going off on one.
Let’s stick to your own rules:
Shandris states:
“Here to admire the Highborne’s handiwork Thalyssra. To look upon what your hubris had wrought.”
A minority, for the former and now a “couldn’t care less” outlook from the latter.
Besides, Thalyssra has joined the War Council of the Horde now.
They are still firm friends with the Blood Elves, since, well…they are allies. What’s your problem with this?
Nightborne are Horde…why would they want to be friends with those where their leader was compared to Azshara and were still blamed for the actions of the Highborne, 10,000 years prior. It’s a no brainer, as far as I’m concerned. Stay with the Horde.
Yeah, because 8.1 was totally not about reclaiming Darkshore. A land that they ruled over for 10,000 years.
Come on, love. Get with the times.
Blizzard aren’t writing Kaldorei, the way you want. Tyrande and Shandris leave for Nordrassil…not the Broken Isles. They aimed to reclaim Darkshore, not Thal’dranath.
The war has ended and the lands they lost when Sylvanas invaded, have been returned to them, albeit not Teldrassil.
They have no interest in claiming other lands, because the Night Elves left the “conquering” factor behind them, when Azshara’s Empire fell. They have their lands and they will rigorously defend them.
What you choose to do, darling, isn’t my problem. If you want to repeat yourself 3 million times, that your doing…but doing so isn’t changing my mind.
No, it’s quite correct actually.
If you read the Illidan/Vandel novel, you will know that when the latter went down to the basement area where the Illidari Hunters lurked, Vandel makes mental note that the majority of the Elves were Sin’dorei, not Kaldorei.
Now, speculation dictates that the Kaldorei are able to train in this art, without Illidan’s help. They can basically conduct their own thing. That makes sense in all forms.
Night Elves of the Illidari were all Demon Hunters. The spellcasters were all Blood Elves and sometimes, Naga, but the majority were Blood Elves, including Battle-Magi, Summoners, Warlocks, Priests and others.
That doesn’t mean anything. That’s like saying that due to a Human Paladin leading the Silver Hand, then the Paladin order is mainly a Human faction. It’s not, as Draenei and Blood Elves are also deeply high contenders, who joined.
They were Sunfury Warlocks, summoning and binding demons, at Karabor, helping the Illidari. They were servants to the Illidari. All of them, being Blood Elves.
No, we’ve got NO evidence of this. We have no evidence of Kor’vas Bloodthorn or any of the other Night Elf Demon Hunters being accepted into Night Elf society.
Now, if any race of the Illidari were going to be Warlocks, we’d either be looking at the Shivarra, since they are Demons anyway, the Broken Draenei, since that can work, or the Naga.
The Night Elves and Blood Elves are all Demon Hunters and the Sin’dorei Warlocks, who were loyal to the Illidari, were all killed.
Stop being silly and making stupid attempts at making your headcanons, regular lore.
This doesn’t mean their is an outcry for it, when we have literally just seen the past two expansions, display it.
They’ve spent 10,000 years apart.
Blood Elves and Nightborne would always hold deeper ties, because they are both of Highborne descent and both had leaders, who struck bargains with the Legion, but both only wanting to try and do what was right for their people and their suffering. Azshara joined the Legion because she wanted a world of perfection…not because her people were suffering.
Not all Nightborne are old, which I think, is what you consider them all to be. All 10,000+ years of age and that is simply not true.
You stick to what you believe in as I’m not continuing this conversation any longer, but so long as I’m here, I’m going to get along with my Blood Elf friends, far better than any Tree Elf.
I believe, that what you want is for Nightborne to ONLY have communication with Night Elves. No other race. That’s bland. Thank god it would never happen.
I prefer Nightborne communicating with Humans, Blood Elves, LF Draenei, Orcs, Trolls, Goblins and sometimes, even Worgen. Nightborne are more than just friends to Night Elves, as they should be. I’m glad they simply aren’t just that.
I believe you would rather see the Nightborne as Night Elf subjects…things the Night Elves can abuse when they like, because of this warped idea that they MUST only communicate with them.
Thalyssra and the Nightborne are far more than that. They are better than that. I am Nightborne and Blood Elves biased as they are my favorite races.
Problem with that, is that prior to the Nightborne sealing themselves away, there were already problems between them ( who were Highborne) and the Kaldorei. I mean there were problems between the Kaldorei and the Highborne in their entirety, people like Dath’remar.
Now this is where the history diverges, one group of Highborne, that later became the Nightborne, locked themselves away for 10,000 years, another bunch of Highborne were exiled from Kalimdor, they later became the High Elves and Blood Elves. (The non exiled Highborne are a different matter, but were only recently readmitted into Kaldorei society.
Kaldorei and Highborne were different castes. Whilst all Night Elves, they were different castes, so the Nightborne, and the Blood Elves, are born of the same Caste, which is different to the Kaldorei, especially after so long separated. Both physically changed, Blood Elves in the way we see in game, and Nightborne we see in the introduction to Thalyssra, she even says during the in game cut scene that after they locked themselves away…“We Changed” and she is looking down at her hands as she says this. That speaks to me of a physical alteration, not just a societal one. The Nightborne share the same affinity for, dependence on, and need for Magic, that Blood Elves do, whereas Night Elves do not.
Thing is, the Nightborne are their own thing now, They are not Kaldorei, nor are they Sin’dorei, just the Sin’dorei have far much more in common with them. Same original Caste, same affinity for magic, and magic dependency (They can understand the Nightborne plight better than the Kaldorei could) and, well, they were just more pleasant to their leader. Sometimes things can hinge on such petty differences. I don’t think they -hate- Kaldorei, but as an interesting fact, nor do Sin’dorei.
The actual Exiles under Dath’remar were actually not bothered about being Exiled. It meant they could do their thing without those pesky Druids trying to tell them what to do. Then we see Lorash, of the first generation born in the Eastern Kingdoms, now he -does- hate Kaldorei, but of course he does, he grew up under extreme hardship, losing friends and family and seeing only death around him. He is bound to be distrustful and dislike Kaldorei.
Even when the Blood Elves name themselves such (but are still Neutrals) Tyrande and Kael’thas do work together, and without any actual hatred, recognising their common bond. The generation following Lorash? They grew up in the Golden Age of Sin’dorei, they have a Sunwell, life is good, there are cheeky natives to quell, but the Kaldorei are history, history that doesn’t apply to them now, but was their Grandparents time. To put that in context, my City I lived in was horrifically bombed by the Luftwaffe in WWII, my Grandfathers time, my parents didn’t hate German people, I certainly don’t hate German people. Time really does heal wounds, especially when the original grudge was before your lifetime. Night Elves are the Enemies of Blood Elves now, but there does not seem to be any especial hatred there, beyond some sniping…
I think that is a fair statement, but equally, the Blood Elves have stronger ties with the Kaldorei than any other Horde Race bar Nightborne, I mean they -all- came from the same stock…
Farodin does not represent the Kaldorei though, He is a Neutral, of the Cenarion Circle. Tyrande is the official face of the Kaldorei, and yes, she is insulting, whereas Liadrin was not, add to that the similarities with the Blood Elves and them joining Horde makes sense…
Shandris does dig at the Nightborne though, not the Horde. “Your People, in their Hubris” Well, the Horde never existed then…
Lets clarify here, illidari does actually have two meanings in game. Illidari refers to Demon Hunters, however Illidari is also a catch all term for all those who served Illidan, including Naga and Broken. It is confusing. Illidari as in Demon Hunters, were Kaldorei and Sin’dorei, Illidari as in all Illidans forces, as I say, comprised many other races.
Night Elf Demon Hunters were the first, Kael’thas sent a -large- amount of Blood Elves, quite a lot of which became Demon Hunters…
Illidari Warlocks (As in the vast armies of Illidan) were Blood Elves. Demon Hunters are not Warlocks, either Kaldorei or Sin’dorei ones,
I doubt they -hate- the Kaldorei, they just -like- the Sin’dorei more…
Ah, but the Nightborne aren’t all highborne - we know this.
The various castes amongst the Darnassians do get along. Darnassians accepting the highborne caste shows us they can connect. Darnassians have stronger ties with Suramar than with Eldre’thalas historically too.
We saw druids and priests work willingly with Nightborne in 7.0.1
It would appear those problems are different now, and are the focus of the night elf / blood elf hate, not between night elves and highborne or Nightborne. The game shows us this.
Just to remind, the Nightborne are not a ALL highborne group like the Shen’dralar or the forbearers of the blood elves. They were a full cross section of your typical Kaldorei city, albeit one of the best cities.
Kaldorei is a race, not a caste. Highborne is a caste of the Kaldorei, (the highest caste of the nobles) other castes would be the priesthood, other based nobility, the druid order.
Nightborne is not a caste either, but a sub-race. You have highborne amongst the Nightborne, as well as other castes, including lowborne.
Yes they changed, but how much? We can see a change ofc, but - big or small? It’s nothing like the change that happened to the high elves either. We can clearly see that.
SKinnier and darker toned, looking more like actual night elves than the kaldorei.
We also see these new night elves haven’t changed at all, they still living kaldorei pre-sundering civilization. High/blood elves not only looked different, but much changed. They did civilization differently, built differently, many new customs, though they kept some things, it’s clear they are more different to the Nightborne than a higihborne.
Not sure how this means they can’t get along or be friends, when we clearly see lots of night elves helping them in7.0.1 , and they being quite psyched over their “noble and distinguished” kaldorei heritage as Valtrois puts it.
This is a very night elf civilization that loves itself. it loves the ngiht, it lvoes the stars and moon. It rides sabers, has fangs , purple skin, in a famous kaldorei city. It’s arcane kaldorei, not a new elven civilization or race like the high elves became.
We must not forget that these guys didn’t reject or hate everything night elven about themselves, like the high elves did when they were exiled. As much as you like Nightborne being friendly with blood elves, which is cool and all, they aren’t blood elves, and they don’t have the same issues or rejection/hatred of being night elf.
I see no reason why nightbonre wouldn’t get along with night elves who clearly liked and helped them like Farodin, the Moonguard, Nighteyes, the Val’Sharah refugee druids and priests. Maybbe not all Darnassians, but enough amongst the highborne and priests for sure.
You think so? That’s not the impression I got, they seemed pissed at being kicked out, abandoned, for what they saw as no longer a good enough reason. They didn’t hate being night elves at that point. Darth’remar felt it was time for the elves to start rebuilding again, and take safeguards to use magic from preventing the legion’s return. Malfurion and Cenarius did not agree, Malf felt it was addiction causing such a reckless (as he viewed it) risk to take, when using the arcane wasn’t necessary.
[He’s a druid, different philosophy, he obviously won’t feel the need for civilization advancement, doing things in the world etc - at least not when using such magics could return that world ending threat. Post WC3, none of this is relevant ofc, so Malfurion doesn’t object to non-druid night elves wanting to return to civilization, magic and other things they use to do, having let the lessons of reckless and abusive magical use.
Darth’s group tried to force the issue, spell went out of control, killed lots of people, not ot mention breaking a ban, MAlf couldn’t execute them, so the decision was made to exile them and cut them off from the second well, possibly in the hopes of preventing them from ever using magic - I don’t think the ngiht elves knew they could use magic from the atmosphere at this point (the well was the source necessary), I think the high elves discover this later on.
THe implosion of the original well of eternity, release magic all over azeroth, it’s in the very air… this is what it emans that the night elves were the first to STUDY magic and LET IT LOOSE in the world.
When Krasus, Rhonin and co venture to pre-sundering Kalimdor, they are surprised that elves don’t use magic without linking to a Well. Ofc there is magic about, just not in the quantities or degrees post Well implosion.
High elves do create their own well in the end too.
Very good analysis here. See how markedly different this is to the night elves of Suramar, who continue in night elf culture and way sof the time, unchanged from that era they put the shield up and became their own autonomous society, continuing living in the Kaldorie culture. No divoroce, them transitioning to ngihtborne isn’t a change of ideals or principals, it isn’t a new culture or city, it’s just a small shift. Brought on by reckless abuse of the nightwell - [the abuse is using the magic to the extent of drinking it to survive]
This is what gives them their alteration. Their one problem was resources dwindling in the confined space, so they rely even more heavily on the arcane, using it well beyond what ti’s supspose to do, it solves the problem, but changes them in a way that becomes horrifically apparent when people are exiled and degrade into withered [a mindless state - absolutely abhorrent to a mind exalting civilization like the night elves are] before dying.
When Thalyssra, recalls the change, the tone used is one of puzzlement, not sure exactly why or what has changed, but we have changed.
When you look at what blizzard shows us of them, model wise, they are skinnier (because of the lack of real food) and darker skinned toned. That’s it. The tip of their ears… THE TIP, curves up slightly instead of tapring like it use to. That full healthy glow Thalyssra has as a night elf is replaced by a darker pall.
Indeed they do, it’s a shame they hate them so much, which is the only bar to full corporation. But if the blood elves can ge ton with the Draenei, they’re might be some hope.
Maybe blizzard would explore high/void elf with night elf friendships. The black moon magic being void is sure to interest them, and ofc the highborne should get on well with the void elves. I can see other ways other NElf castes like druids can get on with Void elves (like helping the druids protect the emerald dream from the nightmare - would be something the drruids would highly appreciate)., seeing how some are black moon, I don’t think they’re going to be as fussy or intolerant as some fans would like to think.
Highborne - in particular, banta you would expect, Shandris isn’t highborne afterall, and being in Zin’Azshari would have brought back memories. What makes it so painful/ Is because of how incredible the ight elves were, how completely they trusted their queen, and how utterly betrayed they were. it was not because of magic hate, or hating civilization, cities or advancments, people compeltley miss what this is about. The long vigil happens that way to prevent the legion returning, not some great abhorenece for every aspect of their civilziaiton.
it is because they loved what they achieved, and they did things so well is what makes losing it and losing control so painful and embarrassing, to be seduced by such evil as the demons because of addiction lusts for power… shameful,
Thanks for that. I appreciate it and agree with it.
Remember we don’t see all the NElf ones in TBC (as evidenced in the Ilildan video that shows a very large number of Nelf demon hunters - the Kor’vas training video.), and we kill most of the new blood elf ones in Shadowmoon Valley TBC at Karabor Temple… By the time legion hits, there are more NElf ones visible than Belf ones and they are generally more senior.
Ah… now I get what she meant. I’m sorry, I was thinking of the specific race Illidari (the fel elf ones that mostly become demon hunters - not the Kael’thas fel elves), rather than normal caster warlocks who are part of the Illidari faction and as such are also Illidari, just Illidari faction not race. Thanks for that again. I appreciate it.
I Don’t think the Nightborne hate the kaldorei at all, I think they consider themselves more a caste or nation of night elves which in the technical sense of the word, they are (as in nocturnal or night elf, and is moore appropriate to say than night people, because these people are elves.)
I think the sin’dorei like the Nightborne more. The Nightborne appreciate the way the Sin’dorei honour them, and this should endear them to them. But I don’t think it detracts from like/dislike of night elves. Especially if they kind of feel they are tehir people… it would more be a case of liking some factions like the Monoguard, Dreamwardens, Shen’dralar better than others like the Darnassians.
All in all, the key thing is to bear in mind the Nightborne aren’t blood elf clones or copies. They are a differetnt group of elves, (kaldorei pre-sundering based.) they don’t carry around the same prejudices concerning Darnassians or Kaldorei at large that the blood elves have.
While ther eare many similarities in terms of culture, attitudes and mindsets, it si all the more important whne this happens to remember that there are somme marked and important differences you would bear well not to forget.
Their interaction with other kaldorei and particularly Darnassians, will be very different from the blood elves, and they won’t be adopteing blood elven views either, these people are far more familiar with the Darnassians and other night elves who they’ve lived with 10k years ago, than they are with blood elves who are descendants of night elves. Nor do they have the greviances the blood elves hold.
Thi sis one area they will differ, aside from the obviuous night culture, stars/moon fascination, cats, bare feet and claws thing they have going.