I find it really sad that the RPG aspect barely matters

[Golganar-draenor]

@Alexima-kazzak

Yea. And once you’re kicked from all groups because you’re dealing 30% less damage in comparison to all the other mages, We’ll see how you’ll feel about numbers.

Do you see the future?

[Amonet-stormrage]

While i do dislike the model, my point was that if you do not do it properly you could fall to tank level DPS/HPS (yes i have seen Prot paladins outhealing Priests).

@Golganar-draenor

Do you see the future?

Yes, i can also see the past and present, the blood elf speaks the truth.

[Alexima-kazzak (Alexima)]

No. I just am capable of seeing the present.

I see raider IO. I see Looking for curve groups. I see damage shaming. people being kicked for low dps or low ilvls or other reasons.

Then i see the shadowland reviews and playtestings and realize how different your damage numbers can be with different choices, even for the same class.

Then I can put 1 and 2 together and come up with this.

[Punyelf-draenor (Punyelf)]

I do think we’ll see some pug groups up with silly requirements, that is par for the course. There were some on beta too.

I’m hoping guilds are more sensible with their own members.

[Amonet-stormrage]

Well for me personaly i have the unique oportunity to to try and start a guild with my irl friends for SL, so no matter what i do really it will not affect me content wise, however as i have explained i am a semi minmaxer and lore nerd, aesthetic vs gameplay is a nightmare for someone like me, also i love to mess arround with my builds and specs, another thing the covenants are restricting me from doing.

[Punyelf-draenor (Punyelf)]

I’m not a fan of the locking us in to covenants but I’m just going to go with it. I love the look and feel of SL.

Although I will have to run four characters through to unlock each covenant and relevant transmogs, mounts etc. I am hoping at a later date some expansions down the line they’ll relax the restrictions so I can use any of them on my main. Time will tell but I am going to be prepared. I’m not gearing the other three palas. I’m not hardcore like that , I just want to see and do all the content.

[Amonet-stormrage]

@Punyelf-draenor

I’m not a fan of the locking us in to covenants but I’m just going to go with it. I love the look and feel of SL.

I would have been a huge fan of the covenant lock if it didnt come with the player power, then my choice would have actually been meaningfull, now because i enjoy to play the game optimally i am forced into choosing something i am either not invested in the slightest or completly hate.

@Punyelf-draenor

Although I will have to run four characters through to unlock each covenant and relevant transmogs, mounts etc.

Honestly i was looking forward to having a reason to play my alts, but as far as i have seen the actual RP in choosing a covenant is lost. The mogs and mounts arent restricted to covenants (unlock them on one character and you can use them on your account regardless, might have missunderstood this or it will be changed tought) and the stories arent that different from one another, so the only thing that is covenant exclusive is the player power.

[Velharia-argent-dawn]

@Shadowdeeps-blackhand

you’re going to sim your char, pick one of the top classes and cast out those who don’t.

I absolutely will not. I play what’s cool and respect other peoples choices to play what they think is cool too.

Also Covenants are an actual RPG style choice.

[Ìno-argent-dawn]

@Nadla-argent-dawn

Are you Hall of Fame mythic raider so

this is the most cringiest and stupid thing people say in defense of covenants. When your garbage heroic or normal guild won’t be able to kill a boss in the new raid they sure as hell will ask you to swap to the covenant that does more damage than your current one.

[Flower-aggramar]

@Alexima-kazzak

And they basically killed 90% of the potential experimenting and playtesting the content with this one STUPID decision for covenants.

Yeah, and what makes it even more painful is knowing they will fix it… the very last patch of the expansion.

[Alexima-kazzak (Alexima)]

At least, 9.3 will be a good one to play.

[Shihiroki-kirin-tor]

By the time they fix covenant in 9.3, they are going to implement more systems in 9.1 and 9.2. And I’m pretty sure we will be getting 1 extra legendary and 1 extra covenant per patch !

[Flower-aggramar]

Yep. And all will also affect PvP. Sigh

[Shihiroki-kirin-tor]

Soon, we will need an extra PHD, on top of computer science and rocket science PHD in order to dertermine how to gear our character !

As regarding PVP, every layer they add is obviously going to mess the stuff even more !! It’s going to be a happy one shot fest !

[Latexfear-dragonmaw (Latexfear)]

@Nadla-argent-dawn

Why does it have to be “best” one? Are you Hall of Fame mythic raider so you have to go to extreme limits to get every bit of damage you can?

People in lfg are worse then mythic raiders…if you are dps playing non meta spec with non meta covenant? Gl finding groups.

[Gannash-draenor]

I mean I don’t think he’s 100% right but he’s atleast 60 to 70% right.
People play elves, elves and elves.
They stop caring about roleplay or lore.
They only want dumb shiny armors and swords.

[Lilîith-silvermoon]

@Shihiroki-kirin-tor

@Shadowdeeps-blackhand

I played mmorpgs since forever and what i really miss about the older games i played is that the fantasy and rpg aspect was a huge deal. Nobody cared about balance (unless something was extremely off) or progress this serious, in those games it was truly PvE, people just worked together no matter the class or what not. Everyone made their own choices and was just happy living in a fantasy world and everything was chill.

Contrary to popular believes, wow’s PVE became harder and harder over the course of the time. If PvE was as easy like in wrath (in terms of class rotation and boss mechanics) then there would not be that need for such min maxing. But here is the thing…Those challenges are the reason why raiding is a good experience nowadays. And in Mythic, you only have 20 available spots, so you gotta make some choices…like…not bringing a spec that suck, because you know… “Bring the class, not the player” and on the same time, some specs are bringing everything on the table whereas other spec don’t. Playing a dps spec from a class that has a healing spec (Except SP and Balance) is such an awful experience in BFA.

@Shadowdeeps-blackhand

With WoW it really just feels like a math competition, you’re going to sim your char, pick one of the top classes and cast out those who don’t. It’s just not a game where you can relax much while playing. Guilds where these things don’t matter much are increasingly hard to find. Well, people in general who don’t care much about these things are hard to find.

There are certainly non raiding and non M+ guilds. I just don’t know what would they spend their time on.

@Shadowdeeps-blackhand

I really hoped covenants wouldn’t influence gameplay but now its perhaps the worst borrowed power system we’ll ever have to deal with

Borrowed power is surely a bad thing.

classic is proving otherwise

face it - wow playerbase is toxic like hell - and devs support this toxic behaviour by supporting mythic raiding community

[Lilîith-silvermoon]

@Alexima-kazzak

At least, 9.3 will be a good one to play.

unless they put in even worse version of corruptions in 9.3

[Amonet-stormrage]

Well picking a race is an RP choice. I mean if it was just for the racials the majority would be palying Alliance now. Nobodies fault that Belves happen to be on the horde side.

[Mellinora-argent-dawn (Mellinora)]

@Amonet-stormrage

Well picking a race is an RP choice. I mean if it was just for the racials the majority would be palying Alliance now. Nobodies fault that Belves happen to be on the horde side.

Actually, the current situation shows that picking a race is not an RP choice for most, it is a gameplay optimization choice. The H is more numerous than the A because there are more people running M+ / raids / arenas for H. It just makes sense to roll on the faction that has more parties in the LFx tool.