So battlegrounds? There are achievs, mounts and mogs connected to that. BG’s are also part of PvP which has great rewards? I’m still confused.
After your postedit:
How are casuals being limited, and what is “casual” to you?
Every patch has new rewards, though the better rewards come from higher content, but that’s expected and has always been that way.
Take the new cat mount example again. It would be better (in my opinion) if there were two mounts, and one would be available through LFRs. This way casuals stay with 1 mount, normal+ raiders stay with 2 mounts. Both groups get a reward. But Blizzard’s decision excludes a HUGE amount of players from getting rewards. The same mount could be a reskin, which would take them a day to finish.
In other words, what blizzard does is:
Play not casually = get rewards
Play casually = no rewards at all
And what I suggest is
Play not casually = get more rewards
Play casually = get less rewards
And yes, normal raiding is not casual play anymore because people have to find a group that will accept them without achievements and low ilvl gear, learn mechanics for 10 bosses, be able to complete these mechanics correctly, deliver good numbers on dps meter and hps meter (if they are healers). This all needs to be done together, on a specific time of a day because I assume casuals schedule is different. I’ve seen many people trying to pug and they failed because they never got this experience before.
If I were working at blizzard, I would seriously consider rewards for every patch for every type of player. Even for RPr’s. With their budget and resources, they are seriously underperforming in this aspect and showing favouritism to certain groups only. And this is not a speculation because I work in a gaming company that serves millions of players every day (sorry for humble bragging again).
P.S this patch brings 0 rewards to casuals like me.
Slime cat was unfortunate i will say. Not going to get into that whole mess, but from previous history, i can only assume it was intended for normal and up.
There seems to be a wide specter in terms of what is “casual”. Normal raiding is casual.
You don’t need a very high ilvl to do them and the mechanics are very similar to LFR, with only a few things to watch out for. It won’t take you long to take notes and is pretty quick and easy to get through. It fits well even for casuals. This season is also way easier than a normal season, which i would assume is intended so more people can succeed and have fun, both casuals and the playerbase that push content.
I think more casuals would be open and succeed well in normals if the community itself was better, kinder and more helpful - cause it doesn’t require much.
With that said: It’s not common for a game to reward it’s playerbase for doing about nothing. (Nor is it healthy for a game) Most things are tied to something, be it world content or instanced. There are rewards out there for everyone, but i wouldn’t expect to get upcoming rewards for “free”. I’ve done tons of things i don’t want to or like, because i wanted the reward. I still call myself a casual. If people don’t enjoy the content the game has to offer, don’t do it - but also don’t expect to get the rewards it provides or “bandaid” rewards.
“I think there should be rewards for all types of players”
There is. My bad alt can do any world content. Doing heroics and/or regular mythic (no+) is rewarding enough for my alt.
why? everyone has heard the whine already. why not just… drop it. Nobody except the few whiners really care or know about the cat mount at all. Only reason I know about it is because the whiners. Do I care? no.
I mean for every big patch or season.
Because it’s the freshest example. The old content is irrelevant, it doesn’t show blizzard’s current decision about reward systems. And just because some people complain, it doesn’t make it a taboo.
I am casual and just becouse something isnt in part of s4 doesnt mean its not relevant reward. I have tons of things to do in s4 as casual player and having 1 less mount from raiding content wont change it. Stop acting like you are compalning about not having something to do as casual when its pretty obvious that you are just entilted thinking like you deserve rewards just becouse you exist. I m 100% sure you dont own not even half of zereth mounts and not even 30% in att for each shadowlands zone. You just want new s4 mount becouse you are mad others have it and you dont.
This weird belief is because players tend to build this idea that content is directed at a portion of the playerbase
WoW didnt launch itself with 0 rewards for casuals players.
WoW launched content and you just dont like that content lol, thats the simple line of it
The same as Ffxiv didnt launch housing for only a audience. It launched housing for everyone its just a portion of the playerbase dont want to bother with it
Ive just never understood peoples demand for 1 game to cater to everybody…
I mean sure solo challenges are fun both mage tower the cata rogue legendaries solo parts and green fire were awesome.
And i prolly wouldnt care if they put all mounts into solo content instead of raids amd m+ but the reasons they are there is because blizzard is concentrating on pushing engagement with that content really.
I just think we are past the time, where 1 game needs to faciliate everyone, i mean WoWs already caused some drama stepping on dragonflying.
I mean dont get me wrong to see GW2 meta systems in WoW would be awesome, the concept of map wide rvents which stages built for hundreds to participate always is epic.
However, i think we all know how the game reacts to large scale open world. Its simply not capable of it, which will always limit open world content GW2 is built on the foundations of amassing players in a single zone. WoW DC rates and lag would be a absolute sh*tshow however.
And more solo style, green fire, mage tower etc etc was never well recieved by casuals either. Because in a game built on power based reward systems, the fights are considered too hard in lower gear.
Think her issue isnt the fact shes done with old content.
Her issue is the game has no current content built for the solo player.
WoW solo content has only ever gone as far as a Rep grind, or some borrowed power system really, and sure endlessly collecting mounts and achievement points is something to do but it aint exactly a florishing end game
Honestly. Id recommend any solo minded player. Who dont want groups, guilds, forced into premade content and simply want to engage with the game and get rewarded for it in all content. To play gw2.
WoW GW2 and FFXIV have their corners of what they do and dont.
GW2 and FFXIV ironcislly both have the same downfall, their raiding and gear progressive options are limited.
WoW has a easy win by ruling this niche effectively, WoWs popularity would fall immensely if blizzard did what this thread is asking and we all know it.
WoW cannot compete with ffxivs story telling. Its too far behind in systems to catch up to what ffxiv offwes these players. Between the housing systems, the RP side of things, and also the casino place that always is packed with players.
WoW doesnt have the set up to make open world as large scale as GW2 doesz the games server would ignite trying and phasing will always make it feel alot worse then GW2 in that sort of design.
When i wasnt wanting to raidz i quit WoW i just returned rly as my lifes calmed down more for me to make the comitment to raiding.
These other 2 games would quite litterally end WoW in a month if it started trying to compete against them
Same as when gw2 launched raid content it flopped, and when they dropped strikes it flopped alittle less but no one rly does it.
People dont play gw2 for raid content so it half killed the game when they tried pushing it.
Over the years this game has become very geared towards collectors. People seem to want constant new transmogs and new mounts. As a very low level player I know there is loads in this game I am never going to have or even see, my choice so my bad luck. We all have the choice, play high or enjoy what you got.
You cry about toxicity while you started this post by being toxic … FIRST OF ALL, no recolours wont work because it will make this skin not unique as it’s now. Instead of being spoiled kiddos that want everything for free because its cool- If y’all want this mount so bad its time to try your best and spend some time on normal raids. its not like you have 3 weeks to do so. Yall have FIVE+ months. its too much to make raid finder only content people need. On top of that people will try normal and cool content and will stop crying that wow feels like a chore with boring content. There should be UNIQUE reward from all forms of HARD gameplay, high m+, more things like mage tower to SOLO, and Normal+ raids so people will actually want to try. since lfr came out this game is dying and its no wonder why, since people have this mentality.
also " play casually = get no rewards" is just an bull"hit" normal raids ARE CASUAL. Most of mounts you get from OPEN WORLD content, now you really cry because they finally make unique rewards for playing NORMAL content of this game as it should be.
90% of all the rewards are already for the casual players. And this topic is about those people also want the last 10% too. ZM got like 30 mounts and then people go wild about an KSM mount…
I have almost al non-sweaty mounts from Shadowlands, and recently I finally farmed my emerald drake. I try to get only the mounts that I like. You know nothing about me, so please shut up and don’t make conclusions about me. Thank you.
Where did I mention anything about not liking a content?
Where did anyone demand anything here?
We had moments when old zones were relevant. So if they want, they can make it relevant again.
You never leveled up?
This was an obvious reference to one particular person on the comments. But of course you would be lazy to check it first and point fingers someone with capslock.
Sorry, but I won’t read what you have wrote cuz you are irrelevant for me already.
ZM got 30 mounts and all casuals can have it? You sure? And I never claimed that I want anything for myself in the post, btw.
How isnt whats being asked here? Unless ur saying stop catering to one to then cater another ur adding to the list of whst u want catered for.
You cant open a thread saying every form of content should be rewarding and then say ur not asking the game to cater to everyone.
Cause thats exactly what ur asking for, blizzard to create access to the rewards via all content i.e gw2 model.
Relevant how??
The best theyve managed is rep grinds really, WoW open world has always been pretty ignorable, id argue SL forces players to engage with open world far more then the early expansipns via borrowed power systems.
Timeless isle was as good as it got, and it only rly got used during its legendary process snd people farming gear on alts.
Maybe its because ive experienced other games.
This game since its birth has had nothing on other games open world, play gw2. Look up belluer on guild wars 2. Thats open world content.
The dumb blue markees to earn a rep to buy a mount is pennies in a pot and im sorry thats exactly what it is.
HoT on metas. Would generate like 300 players charging through the changing enviroment of the meta on a singular map fighting huge scale things which reward in bulk with loads of droppable stuff which is exciting. 100% open world 0 need to join a raid to do, 0 reason to engage. Heck u can almost play em as a solo experience due to how much is going on in the map simultaniously
WoW generates 15 players in proximity to one another and starts lagging.
But I am doing the content and getting the mounts anyways? Can you imagine that, I was actually asking rewards for group of people that I don’t belong to. You don’t always want something when you are making a post about rewards (shockers).
During the legion we had a lot of old zones being used. And even now, if they want they can implement interesting content. It’s just there’s no big demand for it cuz wow is not mmorpg anymore. People just want targets and big numbers.
Where did i say you got them? I only say there are 30 mounts in ZM for casuals, and just 1 for KSM but still casuals are complaining about an “elitist” mount.
I said this just in case because it looked like you meant me. And I don’t think it’s possible to farm 30 mounts for casuals from ZM. It’s not a difficulty issue.
I dont think its this at all.
I think the thing is people enjoy the treadmill, these other games which are modernised in what they can do with open world has taken alot of the players who want this.
And im saying content shouldnt be developed for any catagory. Content should just be generated based on what sells the best effeftively.
Games these days do not have the budget to create this much finished content to meet individual needs.
Saying “i dont like a gear treadmill, i dont wanna raid, i want a pure solo end game” isnt a statement on what the game needs, its just a statement which should be telling u its prolly not the game u want.
Eeeh i dont remember using much of them at all.
There has been demand for it.
We cant sat timeless isle, torghast. Mage towers, the maw. Korthia. ZM island expeditions, and more werent attempts at creating content for solo / open world players. At all.
What we can say is. They werent interesting. Wow just does open world systems badly. Thats just how it is. WoW open world is created to be easily repeated. As alts and done many times. Unlike ffxiv which is built to be experienced once.
So it tends to be shallow to make it less annoying.
No you dont.
To be fair its kinda shocking that blizz didnt up the wq rewards this season . This makes Anyone WHO wasnt 275+ before season start sooo far behind everyone else that its crazy . I feel geniuinly sorry for people on fresh alts.