I like bonfires.
If the Void can't manage the Undead, then how would an Old God be managing Sylvanas?
06/11/2018 07:53Posted by Shagosienne06/11/2018 07:04Posted by ThurillionI won't let you take us down that dark path again, young Hellscream. I'll kill you myself before that day comes.
Who knew that by "kill", Saurfang meant that he would sit in Northrend and wait until Vol'jin's rebellion gained some traction. Truly, a man of his word...06/11/2018 07:04Posted by ThurillionNot like this is anything new, he would have always rebelled against a tyrant of a warchief.
I guess you are right though, this is hardly anything new, much like he expected Voljin to do all the hard work for him, now he expects Anduin to do the same. So much for honour...
Horde wasn't going down a dark route until pandaria though, I mean even cataclysm the horde didn't do much in the way in dishonour, hell garrosh seemed to quote saurfang in stonetalon, don't get me wrong the horde start the war but nothing on the scale of teldrassil. It's theramoore that's garrosh's "teldrassil" moment and it is in mop where saurfang gets involved, exactly when garrosh started going down a dark route. Also where is it said he expected voljin to do the hard work? The guy went right into orgrimmar to challenge garrosh xD
With the latest video, it is very clearly that weakfang failed the horde in not ending Malfurion..
Malfurion will kill alot of horde soldiers now, and that blood will be on weakfangs shoulders..
He didn't agree with the warchief on the burning of tree.. but he did AGREE on all out WAR! But don't want to kill the enemy leaders? Oh little weakfang, just as disappointing as thrall and garrosh...
Malfurion will kill alot of horde soldiers now, and that blood will be on weakfangs shoulders..
He didn't agree with the warchief on the burning of tree.. but he did AGREE on all out WAR! But don't want to kill the enemy leaders? Oh little weakfang, just as disappointing as thrall and garrosh...
06/11/2018 09:22Posted by RoxiaWith the latest video, it is very clearly that weakfang failed the horde in not ending Malfurion..
Malfurion will kill alot of horde soldiers now, and that blood will be on weakfangs shoulders..
He didn't agree with the warchief on the burning of tree.. but he did AGREE on all out WAR! But don't want to kill the enemy leaders? Oh little weakfang, just as disappointing as thrall and garrosh...
Yeah because he gets duped by sylvanas who has these ulterior motives such as destroying stormwind to raise them all and some dark plan that even Elune opposes, he's weak for agreeing to her arguments for war. He's definitely at fault for her as warchief choosing to go to war for her own reasons...
She literally just wants to kill crap, and he genuinely thought it was some honourable war for survival as she had convinced him it was.
06/11/2018 09:38Posted by Thurillion06/11/2018 09:22Posted by RoxiaWith the latest video, it is very clearly that weakfang failed the horde in not ending Malfurion..
Malfurion will kill alot of horde soldiers now, and that blood will be on weakfangs shoulders..
He didn't agree with the warchief on the burning of tree.. but he did AGREE on all out WAR! But don't want to kill the enemy leaders? Oh little weakfang, just as disappointing as thrall and garrosh...
Yeah because he gets duped by sylvanas who has these ulterior motives such as destroying stormwind to raise them all and some dark plan that even Elune opposes, he's weak for agreeing to her arguments for war. He's definitely at fault for her as warchief choosing to go to war for her own reasons...
She literally just wants to kill crap, and he genuinely thought it was some honourable war for survival as she had convinced him it was.
It is not just crap, she is trying to save the undead faction from extinction, she did find the solution in Legion, but that old dog denied her that, teldrassil would properly still be here if he didn't intervened..
People complaning about Blizzard doing a sub-pat story.
Yet here is everyone, discussing two characters, digging up lore and making strong, valid arguments on both sides...you know, if you feel so strongly about the subject there is no way the story goes downhill ;)
Also says a lot about how interesting the main characters of the expansion seem to be, no?
But yeah, down with Sylvanas and all that.
Yet here is everyone, discussing two characters, digging up lore and making strong, valid arguments on both sides...you know, if you feel so strongly about the subject there is no way the story goes downhill ;)
Also says a lot about how interesting the main characters of the expansion seem to be, no?
But yeah, down with Sylvanas and all that.
06/11/2018 09:59Posted by Roxia
It is not just crap, she is trying to save the undead faction from extinction, she did find the solution in Legion, but that old dog denied her that, teldrassil would properly still be here if he didn't intervened..
Oh God and sargeras would not have killed all the Velen's Eredar, if they were not opposed to his will
Thats a funny argument. So she just was selfish and does nothing to help against the legion. She tried to enslave a tool of a TITAN KEEPER!!! Save hear faction means nothing as to doom humanoid beings, by raise them as Undead!06/11/2018 09:59Posted by RoxiaIt is not just crap, she is trying to save the undead faction from extinction, she did find the solution in Legion, but that old dog denied her that, teldrassil would properly still be here if he didn't intervened..
06/11/2018 10:11Posted by Tèsla06/11/2018 09:59Posted by Roxia
It is not just crap, she is trying to save the undead faction from extinction, she did find the solution in Legion, but that old dog denied her that, teldrassil would properly still be here if he didn't intervened..
Oh God and sargeras would not have killed all the Velen's Eredar, if they were not opposed to his will
Did you just compare sylvanas with sargaras? You can't just compare random characters =) there is no common motive at all? I don't think anyone understand why sylvanas burned a whole city, I still don't..
But every single leader at the warchief's table agreed to war, mass death happens in war? Suffering and agony is what war is.. it was a unified room that wanted this war, can't just single sylvanas out as the Evil Leader...
Thats because people take what it says at face value when The Void shows only half truths.05/11/2018 18:09Posted by Karrisimawait wait, from what i've read on this thread i got the point that the void lords fear the undead? say woot m8? even sargeras and his mighty legion that had undead in it feared the void lords and you're telling me sylvanas and her merry bunch of walking skeletons are a threat to the void lords? what a load of !@#$ty writing this expansion has given us. dear lord
06/11/2018 09:59Posted by Roxia06/11/2018 09:38Posted by Thurillion...
Yeah because he gets duped by sylvanas who has these ulterior motives such as destroying stormwind to raise them all and some dark plan that even Elune opposes, he's weak for agreeing to her arguments for war. He's definitely at fault for her as warchief choosing to go to war for her own reasons...
She literally just wants to kill crap, and he genuinely thought it was some honourable war for survival as she had convinced him it was.
It is not just crap, she is trying to save the undead faction from extinction, she did find the solution in Legion, but that old dog denied her that, teldrassil would properly still be here if he didn't intervened..
As per her inner thoughts and wants it kinda is. She doesn't care about the forsaken, merely just has her own selfish goals and ideals. She wants to attack stormwind, regardless of what happened in stormheim. She doesn't even cite that as one of her own reasons, she's wanted stormwind for a long time, to Res humans up so they can join her sick fantasy of undead being some freeing release from the chains and suffering of life.
"But know this. If your Horde fails to uphold honor as Garrosh did. We will end you..."
Anduin was there when this was said. So was Sylvanas. And I think each has a different outlook on its meaning. With Varian dead Sylvanas thought that there was no one there to make this come true. But something about how Anduin spoke, first at the harbour and then later with Saurfang, makes me think that he knows that he needs to do something to bring honour BACK into the Horde. I think that's why he asked Saurfang about his actions, and then offered Saurfang a chance to redeem himself to give the Horde a chance at an existence, thus proving how different he leads his people compared to Varian.
For Varian, or even the Jaina from back then, this "ending the Horde" meant for them to be back in the internment camps as it was during the First, Second and Third Wars. For Varian, it may have even been an act of revenge for having to serve as a gladiator. For Jaina it was all about the fact the Horde allowed Theramore to fall. But already by that time Anduin had been taught a different existence when he spent time with the Shado-Pan who taught him that resilience is the best weapon in the face of an undefeatable enemy. One can argue Sylvanas this, and that's what the change of facial expression on Anduin's face meant at the harbour. It was his "light bulb moment" when Genn said "she". He remembered all the lessons from the Shado-Pan.
Co-operating with those who want similar is what brings a better outcome than an endless unwinnable war. The Pandaren likely allied with the Jinyu and a few others against the Mogu to finally gain their freedom.
So in Anduin's mind he knew the one person who could make a similar outcome happen was inside a prison cell. But he did need to know he could trust the Orc. Did you notice the music during the scene. It was the same one as what played in the cinematic with Saurfang saying goodbye. But now, in this scene, it has a new meaning. It turned from a plea to die honourably to a moment of realisation that instead he could live honourably, and thus restore the honour to the Horde he holds so dear.
Saurfang is probably the bravest individual in Azeroth when he steps out of that cell because, after all, he doesn't know what Anduin means for him to do or whether it even safe to be outside the prison. Yes, in a way he is a traitor. But only a traitor for walking away from Sylvanas. His answers show he's no traitor to those inside the Horde though. He wants them to regain their honour. The same honour that King Varian, aka Lo'Gosh, reminds Vol'jin about so sternly. And there's actually something more, and it comes from the novel about Vol'jin. In it there's an assassination attempt against Vol'jin, and both Vol'jin and me as a reader assumes the assassins are sent by Garrosh. But what if the person who did it stands right behind Vol'jin as he speaks to Varian. What if those words spoken weren't even for Vol'jin but for the perpetrator of the assassination attempt. They were for Sylvanas...
I'm guessing here, but what if the whole "I make Vol'jin the Warchief" was all planned between Varian, Go'el and Vol'jin himself. What if somehow Vol'jin realised who was behind it, then created all the plan of overthrowing Garrosh in order to start exposing Sylvanas.
Something about the Broken Shore cinematic never has made sense to me. WHY were all the Horde leaders standing around healthy, perky and without a scrape on them? Why would Vol'jin be the only one still seriously sick? I've always thought we're looking at the another assassination but using the Legion in the process as a ploy as in "Oh he died from what they did and not because I sapped all his health away with my banshee abilities to heal up everyone else and keep him so sick that he ends up dying."
The journey from Broken shore would have taken days or weeks, and likely a few months went by since that assault on Broken Shore and when we start our efforts there. Enough time for Sylvanas to hide what she did, and enough time for Vol'jin to die. A funeral pyre? So convenient to hide the evidence...
When he became king that's when Anduin, now in charge of all the paperwork, discovered the truth. And he knew this truth when he went to see Saurfang. I'm guessing their conversation will include this information which means Saurfang knows now how Vol'jin died and that he was killed by the very person taking the Horde down the slippery slope of doom. More reason for him to want to fix things. Vol'jin was in touch with the Loa, and probably knew his fate already. He probably made a deal with them about making Sylvanas the Warchief even when she's responsible for his demise. I guess Vol'jin had to make a deal with the loa of death to save the human who became a friend. And was possibly told when and where and how he'd die. So the plan was set in motion between three people to set a trap for Sylvanas, to expose for her real plans, and then make certain that those who want honour in the Horde would have reason to kick her out (in my opinion she goes the way of Fandral Staghelm). And as we discover later on, never make deals with Bwonsamdi because he comes to collect on it sooner or later...
This is my take on the whole situation, and how I would like to see the story evolve. You can agree or disagree as you wish with all this or parts of it. But speculating means you can just come up with ideas until the real content comes, which is what I did here... :-)
Anduin was there when this was said. So was Sylvanas. And I think each has a different outlook on its meaning. With Varian dead Sylvanas thought that there was no one there to make this come true. But something about how Anduin spoke, first at the harbour and then later with Saurfang, makes me think that he knows that he needs to do something to bring honour BACK into the Horde. I think that's why he asked Saurfang about his actions, and then offered Saurfang a chance to redeem himself to give the Horde a chance at an existence, thus proving how different he leads his people compared to Varian.
For Varian, or even the Jaina from back then, this "ending the Horde" meant for them to be back in the internment camps as it was during the First, Second and Third Wars. For Varian, it may have even been an act of revenge for having to serve as a gladiator. For Jaina it was all about the fact the Horde allowed Theramore to fall. But already by that time Anduin had been taught a different existence when he spent time with the Shado-Pan who taught him that resilience is the best weapon in the face of an undefeatable enemy. One can argue Sylvanas this, and that's what the change of facial expression on Anduin's face meant at the harbour. It was his "light bulb moment" when Genn said "she". He remembered all the lessons from the Shado-Pan.
Co-operating with those who want similar is what brings a better outcome than an endless unwinnable war. The Pandaren likely allied with the Jinyu and a few others against the Mogu to finally gain their freedom.
So in Anduin's mind he knew the one person who could make a similar outcome happen was inside a prison cell. But he did need to know he could trust the Orc. Did you notice the music during the scene. It was the same one as what played in the cinematic with Saurfang saying goodbye. But now, in this scene, it has a new meaning. It turned from a plea to die honourably to a moment of realisation that instead he could live honourably, and thus restore the honour to the Horde he holds so dear.
Saurfang is probably the bravest individual in Azeroth when he steps out of that cell because, after all, he doesn't know what Anduin means for him to do or whether it even safe to be outside the prison. Yes, in a way he is a traitor. But only a traitor for walking away from Sylvanas. His answers show he's no traitor to those inside the Horde though. He wants them to regain their honour. The same honour that King Varian, aka Lo'Gosh, reminds Vol'jin about so sternly. And there's actually something more, and it comes from the novel about Vol'jin. In it there's an assassination attempt against Vol'jin, and both Vol'jin and me as a reader assumes the assassins are sent by Garrosh. But what if the person who did it stands right behind Vol'jin as he speaks to Varian. What if those words spoken weren't even for Vol'jin but for the perpetrator of the assassination attempt. They were for Sylvanas...
I'm guessing here, but what if the whole "I make Vol'jin the Warchief" was all planned between Varian, Go'el and Vol'jin himself. What if somehow Vol'jin realised who was behind it, then created all the plan of overthrowing Garrosh in order to start exposing Sylvanas.
Something about the Broken Shore cinematic never has made sense to me. WHY were all the Horde leaders standing around healthy, perky and without a scrape on them? Why would Vol'jin be the only one still seriously sick? I've always thought we're looking at the another assassination but using the Legion in the process as a ploy as in "Oh he died from what they did and not because I sapped all his health away with my banshee abilities to heal up everyone else and keep him so sick that he ends up dying."
The journey from Broken shore would have taken days or weeks, and likely a few months went by since that assault on Broken Shore and when we start our efforts there. Enough time for Sylvanas to hide what she did, and enough time for Vol'jin to die. A funeral pyre? So convenient to hide the evidence...
When he became king that's when Anduin, now in charge of all the paperwork, discovered the truth. And he knew this truth when he went to see Saurfang. I'm guessing their conversation will include this information which means Saurfang knows now how Vol'jin died and that he was killed by the very person taking the Horde down the slippery slope of doom. More reason for him to want to fix things. Vol'jin was in touch with the Loa, and probably knew his fate already. He probably made a deal with them about making Sylvanas the Warchief even when she's responsible for his demise. I guess Vol'jin had to make a deal with the loa of death to save the human who became a friend. And was possibly told when and where and how he'd die. So the plan was set in motion between three people to set a trap for Sylvanas, to expose for her real plans, and then make certain that those who want honour in the Horde would have reason to kick her out (in my opinion she goes the way of Fandral Staghelm). And as we discover later on, never make deals with Bwonsamdi because he comes to collect on it sooner or later...
This is my take on the whole situation, and how I would like to see the story evolve. You can agree or disagree as you wish with all this or parts of it. But speculating means you can just come up with ideas until the real content comes, which is what I did here... :-)
06/11/2018 10:22Posted by Roxia06/11/2018 10:11Posted by Tèsla...
Oh God and sargeras would not have killed all the Velen's Eredar, if they were not opposed to his will
Did you just compare sylvanas with sargaras? You can't just compare random characters =) there is no common motive at all? I don't think anyone understand why sylvanas burned a whole city, I still don't..
But every single leader at the warchief's table agreed to war, mass death happens in war? Suffering and agony is what war is.. it was a unified room that wanted this war, can't just single sylvanas out as the Evil Leader...
I taken Sargeras cuz he was the first that came in mind.
In truth my horde main will follow her and not him. I just didnt find the example good.
06/11/2018 09:22Posted by RoxiaWith the latest video, it is very clearly that weakfang failed the horde in not ending Malfurion..
Malfurion will kill alot of horde soldiers now, and that blood will be on weakfangs shoulders..
He didn't agree with the warchief on the burning of tree.. but he did AGREE on all out WAR! But don't want to kill the enemy leaders? Oh little weakfang, just as disappointing as thrall and garrosh...
You do know his brother Broxigar has a lot of history with Malfurion right?
He was his bodyguard while he walked the emerald dream.
He was part of the resistance alongside Malfurion and Tyrande etc against the highborne.
Malfurion and Cenarius made the Axe of Cenarius for him, and in return he single handedly prevented Sargeras and the demons from invading our realm.
All i'm trying to say is, it's not that easy to just say "he should have just killed him".
06/11/2018 10:32Posted by Reigazm06/11/2018 09:22Posted by RoxiaWith the latest video, it is very clearly that weakfang failed the horde in not ending Malfurion..
Malfurion will kill alot of horde soldiers now, and that blood will be on weakfangs shoulders..
He didn't agree with the warchief on the burning of tree.. but he did AGREE on all out WAR! But don't want to kill the enemy leaders? Oh little weakfang, just as disappointing as thrall and garrosh...
You do know his brother Broxigar has a lot of history with Malfurion right?
He was his bodyguard while he walked the emerald dream.
He was part of the resistance alongside Malfurion and Tyrande etc against the highborne.
Malfurion and Cenarius made the Axe of Cenarius for him, and in return he single handedly prevented Sargeras and the demons from invading our realm.
All i'm trying to say is, it's not that easy to just say "he should have just killed him".
I don't mind characters being fond of eachother, even across factions, like jaina and thrall..
But he knew Malfurion was properly at teldrassil when he agreed to conquer it, you don't say yes to war and then gets cold feet when you stand there.. then you say no to begin with..
Gona leave this here for some to read ( since they dont bother ready quest text even)
*from Before the storm :
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In the lull between the Legion's downfall and the eruption of hostilities between the factions, two very important things happened: some of her Forsaken kinsmen expressing a yearning for contact with their living relatives, and the discovery of azerite in Silithus.
The former came about during her absence from the Undercity while performing her role as Warchief. Her people began to voice both their questions as to why their Dark Queen rarely visited them and their desire to attempt reconciliation with their loved ones. To this end, a council was formed in the absence of Sylvanas, not with the intention of overthrowing her, but to keep the peace and bring together like-minded people.
Alonsus Faol and Calia Menethil served as emissaries to Anduin Wrynn, reaching out in the hopes that he would bless such an attempt. It took much convincing, with Turalyon almost coming to blows with his long-lost friend, Alonsus, before seeing him for what he truly was: namely, a Forsaken capable of both free will and honor. Even Genn Greymane warmed to the idea, but remained deeply suspicious of Sylvanas.
Sylvanas, meantime, viewed the council and their desires as undermining her rule, no matter their intentions. She also held no trust for Anduin. Though she allowed the meeting to take place between the Forsaken and their human relatives in Arathi Highlands, she had a more devious plan in the works. This plan was unleashed after Calia inadvertently revealed herself and the Forsaken began to defect to the Alliance. Rather than strike down any under Anduin's protection, she set her rangers loose on her own people, killing all that tried to cross the field to the Alliance side. Then, riding into battle herself, she killed Calia Menethil. When Anduin retrieved her body, Sylvanas had the chance to strike him down, yet chose to stay her hand for fear of starting a faction war.
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*from Before the storm :
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In the lull between the Legion's downfall and the eruption of hostilities between the factions, two very important things happened: some of her Forsaken kinsmen expressing a yearning for contact with their living relatives, and the discovery of azerite in Silithus.
The former came about during her absence from the Undercity while performing her role as Warchief. Her people began to voice both their questions as to why their Dark Queen rarely visited them and their desire to attempt reconciliation with their loved ones. To this end, a council was formed in the absence of Sylvanas, not with the intention of overthrowing her, but to keep the peace and bring together like-minded people.
Alonsus Faol and Calia Menethil served as emissaries to Anduin Wrynn, reaching out in the hopes that he would bless such an attempt. It took much convincing, with Turalyon almost coming to blows with his long-lost friend, Alonsus, before seeing him for what he truly was: namely, a Forsaken capable of both free will and honor. Even Genn Greymane warmed to the idea, but remained deeply suspicious of Sylvanas.
Sylvanas, meantime, viewed the council and their desires as undermining her rule, no matter their intentions. She also held no trust for Anduin. Though she allowed the meeting to take place between the Forsaken and their human relatives in Arathi Highlands, she had a more devious plan in the works. This plan was unleashed after Calia inadvertently revealed herself and the Forsaken began to defect to the Alliance. Rather than strike down any under Anduin's protection, she set her rangers loose on her own people, killing all that tried to cross the field to the Alliance side. Then, riding into battle herself, she killed Calia Menethil. When Anduin retrieved her body, Sylvanas had the chance to strike him down, yet chose to stay her hand for fear of starting a faction war.
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Also this as it seams people keep forgetting how it went down :
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After these events, news came to Sylvanas about the discovery of azerite in Silithus. Recognizing its power, she grew concerned as to the safety of the Horde should the Alliance get their hands on it as well. Recognizing Teldrassil as the main shipping route for the Alliance in Kalimdor, she resolved to end a potential war before it could begin. Thus, she conferred with Varok Saurfang and Nathanos Blightcaller, weaving together a feint that would make the Alliance think she was taking the bulk of her forces to Silithus to safeguard the azerite. Varok himself was instrumental in the formation of this plan.
The Alliance took the bait and sent their fleet toward Silithus while Saurfang and his troops assembled and then marched into Ashenvale. The night elves were caught completely unawares, the incursion exacerbated by a simultaneous strike from hidden Horde agents on all their outposts. Though even Malfurion Stormrage intervened, the Horde managed to push through Ashenvale and into Darkshore, partly by means of Saurfang and a small contingent pushing their way from the north through a hidden trail from Felwood. Sylvanas faced off against Malfurion herself, their battle interrupted by Saurfang who, in the heat of the moment, attacked Malfurion from behind.
Sylvanas decided to depart the field and travel to their troops stationed at Lor'danel, leaving Saurfang to finish Malfurion off. Little did she know, but Saurfang hesitated, feeling his actions were without honor, and in the moment, Tyrande Whisperwind arrived to spirit the archdruid away. When Saurfang returned without Malfurion's head, Sylvanas felt as if their entire point of the mission had failed, for now the night elves had hope. In her mind, in order to strike a lasting and devastating blow that would drive the Alliance apart, she ordered her troops to set fire to Teldrassil, despite the number of innocents trapped within
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After these events, news came to Sylvanas about the discovery of azerite in Silithus. Recognizing its power, she grew concerned as to the safety of the Horde should the Alliance get their hands on it as well. Recognizing Teldrassil as the main shipping route for the Alliance in Kalimdor, she resolved to end a potential war before it could begin. Thus, she conferred with Varok Saurfang and Nathanos Blightcaller, weaving together a feint that would make the Alliance think she was taking the bulk of her forces to Silithus to safeguard the azerite. Varok himself was instrumental in the formation of this plan.
The Alliance took the bait and sent their fleet toward Silithus while Saurfang and his troops assembled and then marched into Ashenvale. The night elves were caught completely unawares, the incursion exacerbated by a simultaneous strike from hidden Horde agents on all their outposts. Though even Malfurion Stormrage intervened, the Horde managed to push through Ashenvale and into Darkshore, partly by means of Saurfang and a small contingent pushing their way from the north through a hidden trail from Felwood. Sylvanas faced off against Malfurion herself, their battle interrupted by Saurfang who, in the heat of the moment, attacked Malfurion from behind.
Sylvanas decided to depart the field and travel to their troops stationed at Lor'danel, leaving Saurfang to finish Malfurion off. Little did she know, but Saurfang hesitated, feeling his actions were without honor, and in the moment, Tyrande Whisperwind arrived to spirit the archdruid away. When Saurfang returned without Malfurion's head, Sylvanas felt as if their entire point of the mission had failed, for now the night elves had hope. In her mind, in order to strike a lasting and devastating blow that would drive the Alliance apart, she ordered her troops to set fire to Teldrassil, despite the number of innocents trapped within
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06/11/2018 10:39Posted by Roxia06/11/2018 10:32Posted by Reigazm...
You do know his brother Broxigar has a lot of history with Malfurion right?
He was his bodyguard while he walked the emerald dream.
He was part of the resistance alongside Malfurion and Tyrande etc against the highborne.
Malfurion and Cenarius made the Axe of Cenarius for him, and in return he single handedly prevented Sargeras and the demons from invading our realm.
All i'm trying to say is, it's not that easy to just say "he should have just killed him".
I don't mind characters being fond of eachother, even across factions, like jaina and thrall..
But he knew Malfurion was properly at teldrassil when he agreed to conquer it, you don't say yes to war and then gets cold feet when you stand there.. then you say no to begin with..
Yes i am not really disagreeing with you, just trying to find reasoning behind things :)
Who knows, maybe they will tie it into the story later with him and Malfurion.
I hope this entire thing ends with an election: "Gallywix new warchief by popular vote!" Then send Sylvanas to prison for a few thousand years like Illidan. It's not like time matters for her.
That would make both sides happy!
That would make both sides happy!