If you buff warrior defensives you need to nerf their damage

[Anahkas-archimonde]

• Improved Mortal Strike removed from the tree.

We loose this talent in the 10.0.5 also (5% MS nerf)

[Aayle-aegwynn]

what is this argument? If you watch the games you can clearly see that sv is good without question. This complain mentality with “oh my class is bad cause no s+ tier” get annoying

[Laithelmus-argent-dawn]

@Krapînette-archimonde

Man, how do you even deal with DK or rogue then if you can’t find a solution to counter something that takes 6 gcd to build.

What a fine argument, everyone cried about DH pressing Throw Glaive → Eye Beam / Meta → Vengeful → Hunt → Essence Break → Death Sweep too.

[Lidskoe-deathwing]

Hit hard, not one shotting but consistenly hard. I play as warlock - warriors are the worst to face against. They tunnel vision on me from start to end, I learn to kite as much as I can but without external help it is impossible. Interrupt, stun, fear, root, I can tp behind pillar but warrior will be there in 2 seconds and my healer not, even though I am telling them here is my circle, i will port here every ~30 sec.

It’s not about being busted, it’s about getting buffs when it was already frustrating to play against, while other classes got nerfed to oblivion. Everyone can see arms will be a problem for the next 2-4 weeks.

And for the love of god, who cares about aws? Do you play aws or do you think I do? I don’t even play 3v3, and as it looks like, not much people do. When they make a sswc let’s get back and discuss class balance representation.

[Faveyo-die-nachtwache]

@Krapînette-archimonde

You just proved you don’t understand war setup.

Na, i understand warri, i Played Warri for 2 Days and Made 2.1 With one Arm ,any peon worker in the orc starting zone could play it

@Krapînette-archimonde

Not a single warrior will do a 100k ms by just charging into avatar/spear.

And here u dont understand how Dmg in Pvp Works, against mirror, dk /Bearform u might be Right, but Against Mages/ Hunters/Rogues, u can Easily do a 100k+ Mortal Strike without a Spear, and dont Forgot this Talent which give u a Chance to Resset the Mortal Strike cd.

@Krapînette-archimonde

Once again, the damage can be nice, but it requires a setup and is identifiable.
Maybe learn to counter the class first before whining about it.

Yeah, i made my 2.1 on My Warrior in 2 Days by Mongo use cds and one tap Peoples, Sure, Other people shouldn’t cry about it when they got one tapped, u sure buddy?
do u think its Healthy gameplay and fun for the other side, Like Shadowlands Season 4 Fury Warrior Toxic Season?

i dont know what ur xp on Warrior in Pvp is, i checked your Toon and i saw Only 1.9, mby u hiding your Chars

But the Main Issue about Warrior, why they are not good as other classes is, because of the Squishiness

but if u gave him to much deff, The Dmg + Toolkit + tankiness might be to toxic

So, like I said, if they weren’t as squishy as they are now, they would deserve a DMG nerf, and that’s a fact

@Krapînette-archimonde

Once again, the damage can be nice,

Dmg is to overpowerd, if they became more deff. and actually warri shouldnt be a Sub rogue, so he have one shot potential + High Constant Dmg.

And everyone Knows, that Assa Rogue will getting Nerfed again, so its a + for every Warri

U dont understand that, Nerfing other Classes especially counters, Makes other Classes Better/ or way to good, and Peoples are Scared about a Full Warri Shadowlands Season 1/3/4 Again, and i mean its understandable or?

[Lilahuf-argent-dawn]

is it that big of a deal? DK was nerfed heavily before and its doing fine

[Grytax-outland]

@Aayle-aegwynn

what is this argument? If you watch the games you can clearly see that sv is good without question. This complain mentality with “oh my class is bad cause no s+ tier” get annoying

That argument goes for every spec in every game you see with these players since everyone (almost) are playing the specs to its highest capacity. Especially when there are one or two survival player who are the best in the world at playing survival.

Im not saying survival is bad. Im saying its not good. Its not the same thing, you know. The majority of dps-specs are better than survival right now. Not all of them, but the majority. Again - not the same as saying survival is BAD. Its mediocre but in the hands of the best players in the world IN THE RIGHT SETUP it works.

If you think this is “crying because its not s-tier” then thats on you.

[Mikatsuki-silvermoon]

The gimmick of DK countering casters is mostly gone
The compensation of them tanking against melee/physical is extremely limited

[Mikatsuki-silvermoon]

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

because they stood open field, nobody stopped him, no fear, no stun, no kick, nothing i would say well deserved. its like when a ret use big wings, and i dont use a single deff cd.

The locks in that clip took less than 5 seconds, just saying

@Lidskoe-deathwing

It’s not about being busted, it’s about getting buffs when it was already frustrating to play against, while other classes got nerfed to oblivion

Ele and locks are frustrating to play against, which perform better than arms in solo Q
Both OUR feeling doesn’t really matters. Balancing the game is always a zero sum game even on PVE side. Stat > everything else.

@Lidskoe-deathwing

Everyone can see arms will be a problem for the next 2-4 weeks

Depends on the number ratio of IP. So far the number isn’t as broken as people imagine. MS got a 5% nerf IIRC

@Lidskoe-deathwing

And for the love of god, who cares about aws? Do you play aws or do you think I do? I don’t even play 3v3, and as it looks like, not much people do. When they make a sswc let’s get back and discuss class balance representation.

Because its the closet way to gauge a spec performance

But even on leaderboard for solo Q (which innately beneficial to zug zug due to worse coordination) warrior performance is not that good
The only spec I could think of thats worse than arms is balance, frost DK, enh shaman

@Lidskoe-deathwing

When they make a sswc let’s get back and discuss class balance representation

Yes we do. And don’t forget to normalize raw number with participation of a spec.

[Aayle-aegwynn]

Just that sv hunter isnt just medicore. It’s basically just good.

Cause it’s completly viable in 3 diffrent combs to get Glad and even R1 when you also got at the r1 spots in BfA, Legion, Shadowlands.

btw that complaining wasnt specific for you but more for like everyone here most of the times.

Arms warrior are not that bad as ppl claim for example. Devoker also isnt that bad as ppl make it to be

[Faveyo-die-nachtwache]

@Mikatsuki-silvermoon

The locks in that clip took less than 5 seconds, just saying

5 Secounds is more than Enough, did u ever Played Bfa Season 4 Against Destro look?, it took him less than 1.5 Secounds to Delete You

if u Speak about Jazzgz, he mostly Try a Coil into Stun oneshot go, so if u have Trinket rdy, or a Good heal in the back, u shouldnt die instantly against a Destro, Destro isnt the Problem atm, and i really Hate Destro meta, but its not even close to be a Destro meta right now.

@Mikatsuki-silvermoon

5 seconds, just saying

And if u Argue like that, a Assa Rogue could Delete me in a Kidney Deathmark, without casting anything.

#nerfe assa More

[Mikatsuki-silvermoon]

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

5 Secounds is more than Enough, did u ever Played Bfa Season 4 Against Destro look?, it took him less than 1.5 Secounds to Delete You

I quitted since Legion as I don’t waste my time on playing genuine human excretion, . I wonder why people actually play. BFA+SL didn’t completely kill WoW’s PVP was an actual miracle to me

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

And if u Argue like that, a Assa Rogue could Delete me in a Kidney Deathmark, without casting anything.

True. FK all stealthers

[Classicelch-mograine]

15 casts and 21 hits = 800k damage
38k dmg per hit on a 5 second cd
If we are generous we half the time to account for proccs and we end up with 21k dps, roughly a 1/4 of which is cleave damage.

Yes we can hit hard from time to time, but arent these still rookie numbers compared to alot of other classes?
Meanwhile I cast die by the sword and nobody cares and I die right through my def cd.

[Bloodlock-onyxia (Bloodlock)]

@Classicelch-mograine

Meanwhile I cast die by the sword and nobody cares and I die right through my def cd.

Sounds like my wall experience. Just with longer cd.

[Fnsby-ravencrest]

Yea? I’m pretty sure no fully geared character is gonna get ‘machine gunned’ by a Destro lock currently. But sure, your anecdotal evidence COULD happen, it’s just not very likely

[Lidskoe-deathwing]

@Mikatsuki-silvermoon

Ele and locks are frustrating to play against, which perform better than arms in solo Q

Ele I can see, but why locks are frustrating to play against as warrior? Could you please share unironically, i want to improve against warriors.

@Mikatsuki-silvermoon

Because its the closet way to gauge a spec performance

No it’s not. Maybe for 3v3 arenas, but it’s more about comps then specs. You don’t estimate spec’s m+ performace based on race to world first raid, do you? It probably makes sense to balance arena mods separately, but it won’t happen.

@Mikatsuki-silvermoon

But even on leaderboard for solo Q (which innately beneficial to zug zug due to worse coordination) warrior performance is not that good

I have literally just opened two web sites with statistics, arms is in top 5 most represented specs.

Meh I was expecting Spear nerf, they could at least not touch arms at all, but no, buffed them. That’s where my frustration is from. Considering how many specs got nerfed to the ground was it really necessary?

[Naze-aegwynn (Naze)]

I guess we all agree damage is still to high, burst is again out of control. Blizzard should reduce damage modifiers and maybe dont let ms or heal absorb effects stack with dampening.

[Widdershins-agamaggan]

So much made up crap in this thread, omg.
See for yourselves tomorrow on twitch or on wednesday live.

[Renvy-argent-dawn (Renvy)]

A resto shaman popped 70% of my health with one opening spell. that was nice