They are still here. Pacifist faction - level up by herbing on the starting isle.
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As said iām all for whatever people wanna pick and iāll never be the one to say āyou shouldnāt do thatā or āyou canāt do thatā. Iām just expressing my opinion that I find it a bit of a shame in a game with such potential diversity that there is such a rush to jump into a common and popular trope you can get just about anywhere, and soon to be on two opposing factions which are supposed to be distinct from each other.
Thatās just my opinion; people donāt have to like it, but iām entitled to it. Like all opinions it comes from a place of my own biases and experiences like everyone elseās 
Probably because tywir game is actually good with devs that care and acknowledge players.
Community will always be a reflection from those who created it. Blizzard.
I kinda agree with both of you, Iād like to see more diversity in what characters players use, surprisingly I felt like alliance is doing better here, despite horde having more unique races.
But at the same time, so many models have some minor or bigger issues that just annoy over time and the enjoyment slowly evaporates. Strangely enough male models are more affected by it. There is also a problem with some animations for some races, more often than not it just doesnāt feel fluid enough.
Since most people tend to flock to the blood elf model, Iād say the problem is more than just taste preference and itād be great if we got a look over on model or animation issues of other races. So we could have a greater choice of great and different races to play that also feel good to do so. But this is just my personal opinion of course.
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Pretty sure the thread is about how it was added rather than - that - it was added.
Thereās a big difference, not everything fits in the same shoebox and people need to stop forcing things into the same space.
Iād personally have prefered some cool story added to it, since originally they were said to be Fair skinned.
It doesnāt make much sense history wise to just randomly say āVikings were greenā cause it looks cool, or happens to include an alien that just arrived to earth.
These things are more complicated than just slapping a label on it and call it done.
I wish people would communicate more.
Agree.
Regarding the āmodel qualityā however, this is another area where I guess my opinion differs. I donāt find the belf models to be that amazing. I mean yeah they look decent enough, they wear gear well, but I donāt see them as miles above any of the others honestly. What other people see as āmodel qualityā iād wager (again just my opinion) they are conflating it with ālooks aesthetically pleasingā because yeah sure, the belf models are obviously aesthetically pleasing for many, but I donāt think that means they have a necessarily superior model in terms of look and animation.
Take the Goblin model. Okay so Goblins arenāt really objectively attractive by human standards generally speaking. Yet iād argue their model is better than the belf one. It has more character, and thereās a lot more scope to make two goblins look different from each other barring simply their skin tones and hair. You can adjust their ears, noses, chins, truckton of jewellry; you can really inject character into them.
I just find the belf model lacks that rigour in the character. They look nice, but I donāt find them particularly exciting or expressive I guess? So for that reason I personally donāt agree they have āone of the best models in WoWā. Iād describe their model as being like radio-friendly music. Easy on the ears (eyes), pretty much impossible to find disagreeable, but at the same time itās predictable, most songs of the genre follow the same conventions and it doesnāt really have much POW to it.
This made way more sense in my head.
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Youāve quite possibly hit the nail on the head actually. I know a lot of people talk about casting animations and the issues with certain races so perhaps it is time blizzard listened to those complaints/points and looked into the models for a rework and see if other races became more popular.
On the aesthetics side, I love the new forsaken customisations but find transmogging them so difficult because of the stance 
lol straight back options would be amazing!!
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I see what you mean, but it wasnāt exactly what I had in mind.
I donāt want to make different races āaestheticallyā or āstylisticā closer to belfs, since it goes into realm of tastes and preferences. But rather āfixā or āupdateā their persistent model issues.
Mhhh, for example the slight head tilt forward of nelf male models. Maybe a too specific of an example, but it literally grinds me every time I notice it again, their head is slightly hunched forward on their torso, female models do not have such issue.
There are many more, though I donāt want to bring each of them up to not flood the thread, just to give an idea of what I meant. Afenton mentioned related issues in their post above.
Same with animations. I think it could be tied better to the models, so the feel of the model + animation ( running, battle or otherwise ) is more fluid, not to make them belf-like.
I didnāt played enough of Goblins to notice any issues with them myself, but the idea was not to take any of their interesting character away. Hope my point comes across. 
I understood that the thread moved on to be honest 
Yep! But this is more like the story of my characters as I donāt like either of the factions what they do 
poor Horde sucks with villains all the time and the Alliance is just mehā¦
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I like it! Wanted to use the same idea on one of my characters as well 
Go for it! I know itās edgy and everything, but if it fits with your charactersā lore, go for it! 
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No youāre fine, and I agree there are models with fluency issues that sit beneath belf, Iām not claiming theyāre the worst model at all! Male Nelf and especially male nightborne jump that queue, as do male humans for example.
I think my point is whilst the belf model isnāt bad, it isnāt exceptional (in my opinion) either. Nothing about the animations or posture is particularly stellar for me and the model itself isnāt the most expressive one there is. Itās far from the worst, but I really donāt think itās the best at all. So I donāt really see model arguments (other than it looking nice in aesthetic terms) as the plausible argument here.
Which model would I say is the best? Probably male orcs. Theyāre helped infinitely by having zounds of customisation but similarly theyāve always (even pre update) been able to has distinctions between them beyond their hair and skin and have character about them. Iād say male dwarf, female Draenei are also very good models.
Weāre their resolution higher. Male Pandaren would be up there as well as their model probably has the most character in their animations of all races, and the animations are very fluid despite all the spinning they do. For an example of what I mean here, my eviscerate would have me do a little spin before plugging the dagger into the target all full thrust, itās a plausible if showy manouveur. The male velf/belf one has them do a spinning jump with their dagger thrusting into the air somewhere. Showy animations are cool if theyāre believable to me, and the male belf melee animations are a case for me of injecting style needlessly into their strikes which doesnāt seem like it would be effective, so it ruins them for me.
I mean male Nelf do a similar one with two handlers but at least they sweep it over their opponent as they jump into the air. It connects. Iām not quite sure how thrusting my dagger into the air and jumping whilst spinning is an effective way to stab someone personally.
I agree orcs, female Draenei have great models and feel fluid, Pandaren animations as well, my first warrior was a Pandaren, as a matter of fact, I really liked how combat felt with them.
Canāt say much about dwarfs, not a fan of them personally.
Though Iād argue belfs were supposed to look a bit show-off in their animations, because it is their nature to present everything like some sort of dance or whatever, but it is arguing tastes and opinions at this point.
But not everybody likes to play orcs, dwarfs, pandaren or female draenei, this list is rather short on top. And as you said, belf model and animations are radio enough so basically everyone can be content with it. Iād also add that their model + animation go well hand in hand.
My point wasnāt to say that the belf model is supremely superior, rather that it is good enough quality for everyone, taking your point into consideration, how generally they look so they can appeal to almost anyone, this creates a major gathering point for those who are annoyed by minor or major inconveniences of other races and do not find themselves attracted to the well executed above.
I donāt think that belfs, of any kind, will be least popular race in years(?) to come, but if we would to bring the lacking races to the execution level of belfs, as a common denominator, we could see a bigger diversity in player characters.
E1: just to add, not aesthetics or design, model/animation issues
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No I didnāt.
I said you were a burden to society and should go out and find work and stop playing videogames all day.
Have you cleaned your room yet??
Yes, we call them āHereticsā
We have a special protocoll for them
And a prepared room
A bit dark, maybe, but the bowls with the glowing charcoal where we keep the pliers and branding irons are giving a cozy warm redish light and homelike atmosphere and those chains are very helpfull so they wont fall to the ground from the wall
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Oh no! 
You work for Soul!!
gathers moth army
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I smell liberalism.
Iāll be fine with Blizzard removing all this allied race trash heap and bake all AA customization into the existing original races.
Blood Elves were an OK story and design choice, should have stuck with their guns than give in to the screeching dress up enthusiasts.
Iām on social wellfareā¦ I thought thatās working !!!
I like your mog, especially the weapon. A very nice destrolock