This is an important discussion that Bliss seems to ignore.
Sure Cata classic is a form of “Classic” since it’s a re-creation of an old expansion, but IMO it’s not old wow. AKA what many people crave when they wanted classic.
There is a very clear split from wrath to cata. No argument! both in mechanics and feel.
Losing tbc servers with no clone option was pretty bad, but it was tolerable. However, not giving the option for cata classic is downright cruel!
It’s like losing the old world all over again.
So yea cata classic is classic, but it’s also not at all.
Before Legion is not absurd, because I want Legion “Classic” since it was BiS. After Legion …yes! Its absurd and I strongly believe that they will stop there.
Call Cataclysm, MoP, WOD and Legion whatever you want. For me they will be “Classic…+++” and I will be playing them all since I skipped Cataclysm, MoP and WOD back in the days, so for me they will be very fresh!
…but all I want is a perma Legion “Classic” server(s) and we good!
For those people specifically exist the Era Servers.
So was with Vanilla to TBC and with TBC to Wrath. Each also invalidating the endame of previous and large portion of leveling experience. As a Wrath fresh Player I’ve never really seen More than 3 zones of TBC nor experienced more than 4 of its dungeons. Yet people are acting as if till Cataclysm all the previous three were equally important when they really weren’t.
Old World which as I stated nobody gave a damn about in Wrath or TBC since it was just something you rushed through to get to the endgame.
And honestly what would Eternal Wrath entail? Weekly runs of ICC till the end of the world in which lower end players would never participate due to GS requirements that would be quite up there? I don’t really see what Eternal Wrath could offer that would be worth paying subscription Money for.
I think you don’t understand the difference between Vanilla and Classic …
Cataclysm is ultra Classic since it has still the semi hybrid talent system and you can sill carry guns and different weapons, its not gamechanging as pandaria or legion was.
Ever heared the term Classic Car?
A Classic Car is not the first car every produced its just an old Car like a Shelby or in times manner a Ford Crown Victoria. Cataclysm relased in 2011 that was 13 years ago!!! its so old that most people propably still haven’t played it.
It always confused me when Classic Andys bring up the term
“Its 15 years old you have to know the raid mechanics”
But in reality people started their wow journey in Cataclysm, Pandaria or WoD or even in Legion. Just because you started in a specific time period doesn’t mean else do.
I started WoW in Cataclysm and have most of my good memories there and not in Wrath, TBC or Vanilla even doe I played Wrath Classic now I don’t think Wrath was better then Cataclysm for me it was rather a downgrade, I don’t play retail anymore since BfA because retail in the other hand especially the newest expansion doesn’t give me any interest to play it because its spammed with gacha mechanics, full of useless systems and rather a singleplayer experience then a mmo it lost his soul.
But thats my opinion and unless there is a huge majority that thinks the same I don’t want to force anyone else my opinions to this topic and neither should you! Thousands of people play Cataclysm Classic now and what I’ve heared even doe its a buggy mess at the moment people still enjoy it also players still play Dragonflight and enjoy it as it is.
If you don’t accept this fact just go to Era, SOD or Hardcore…
No wrath or tbc servers tho, that’s the point. In my opinion Cata is the end of “old wow”.
That’s fine if that’s how you feel. However leveling is important for many of us who don’t care much about endgame. The flow has been broken with cata classic. Leveling from expac to expac in order, feeling like progressing along the world is what is missing now.
That is a very sad view of the game.
Leveling? Doing content in your favorite expac with your favorite gameplay, with no deadline??
I’m sorry, but endgame is not for everyone, you think all 11 mill players at wow’s peak were rading every week?
Don’t get me wrong, this isn’t about me now wanting cata classic!
Cata was amazing, and I remember it very fondly. We absolutely SHOULD have a cata classic. They are just going about it the wrong way.
With how little there is in Wrath Otherwise? Yes, yes I do.
Oh I absolutely agree. You know what’s worse? The game itself convinced me it was the case. I was a slow leveler through Classic portion, running dungeons, doing long quest chains. Even delaying my move to Outland since I still had quests to do in Plaguelands and Rep to grind with Argent Dawn. Ran Stratholme, Blackrock all the end game dungeons and guess what? Everything I got from there was outshined by a minute long quest reward off the gates of Outland. On that Character I didn’t even got to clear 2 locations properly before getting to level 68 and setting to Northrend. And I tried to extend my stay as long as I could since as a Miner/Enchanter I had to get as much local nodes to level up my professions. It felt awful, it felt empty. And even then I knew that even If i cleared all I could in Outland the first few Quests in Northrend would render all that work moot. And later on my slow pace effectively killed my odds at ever enjoying the end game.
By flow I assume you mean a time flow? Sorry to say but it was breaking ever since TBC if you chose to play as Dreanei or Blood Elf. Their story arcs take place right before TBC and when you resolve them you’re thrown back in time to Vanilla. Same deal if you happen to make Death Knight which are thrown back in time to TBC which happened before they were reanimated xD
I’m sorry but you’re wrong, just wrong. A huge part of the player base are casuals, we are just much quieter than the more hardcore players.
I’m very sorry you feel that way, but your experience is not universal.
Not time flow, game flow. Remember that the starting zones are kinda voluntary, so you if you are a lore/continuity nerd you can jump ship from Azuremyst to Telldrassil any time.
But the jump from the tbc starting zones to the old world is pretty smooth, and so are the tansition to outlands and then northrend, but the jump from the tbc staring zones to the revamped world is jarring.
Which is exactly same in Cata still. You can safely jump ships between Azuremyst and Bloodmyst as well as do the same between two Blood Elf Zones. From my observation there may be some discrepancies if you do that after clearing the Zone though recently following Eastern Continent Questlines (Silverpine, Hillsbrad, and surrounding regions) I don’t think I’d have many issues injecting myself into Hillsbrad after doing Ghostlands maybe except doing one or few Grey Quests which btw was exactly same experience I had with both my Dreanei on Pyrewood Village and Belf on Nethergarde Keep. Although I may be absolutely wrong.
Probably not, but also not uncommon from what I could tell. One day maybe I’ll clear Outlands at my leisure but really, I dunno. The game itself doesn’t seem to want player to take their time.
Basing it solely on my observations but really? I’ve never seen really see anyone casually enjoying themselves back when I was leveling two of my Characters on Nethergarde Keep as Horde as well as on Pyrewood Village as Alliance. No responses when trying to do dungeons that were out of the usual leveling route many, many people just spamming Scarlet Monastery as much as they could. And a terrifying sense of emptiness.
If you only base these things on your personal experiences we’re never gonna find common grounds.
All you need to know is that many players are attached to “old wow”, we like the world before the revamp and would like a few tbc and wrath era servers.
They are obviously not for you, but a lot of us are upset at being forced into cata.
Ya’ll can argue the meaning of Classic as much as you want, but it won’t change the fact that all re-releases are and will be treated as abandonware anyways
What else was I supposed to base my opinion on? Hearsay?
I want to believe you but both on Nethergarde and on Pyrewood which already were the smaller of the servers (ok Pyrewood at the time was pretty big) i saw the opposite - rush to the North ignoring everything around.
And not to sound rude or anything but the old World is preserved in it’s purest form already on the Era servers. Old world in Wrath would forever be marred by RDF which people still think should be used by sitting in capital city doing nothing but dungeons instead of using it alongside questing. While Outlands would always suffer from exp squish making it terribly short experience.
It’s really hard to believe there were people taking it slow when even Blizzard seemed to be focused on rushers providing Joyous Journey before every Phase and with every one people crying louder and louder to make it permanent addition.
Final reply to you.
Not all of us level to get to endgame.
Not all of us do dungeons while leveling.
Some of us like the slow, calm leveling from expac to expac.
This is not about that! It’s about not being given the choice.
This is about Blizz not using the clone feature they used in tbc classic.
This is about the split in playerbase who have different definitions of what classic is supposed to be.
This is about having something you love being taken away from you.
Enough people have been loud about this, for long enough, that Blizz are insane for not listening!
809 people signed the petition to include Era servers for Wrath. Not even a thousand. Not even 1% of the current population of Classic. Yes it’s hardly representative number. But it’s the only metric we can find outside of people trying to convince that they’re bigger.
I want to believe it, trust me I freaking want to believe it. But no matter the server I haven’t freaking found a single of you. The only non NPCs I’ve seen over trying to level handful of alts (of those only my priest reached level 80) were people rushing between quests or Level 80 Bots mining. I tried to complete questlines only to fail mid way because they took me to abandoned dungeon I could not solo while being on level. And trust me I freaking tried doing BFD for the quests. And Maraudon. And Blackrock ones. And Scholomance. Elites on level? Forget it, there was nothing… Barren empty world.
Also Outlands and Northrend are untouched. You can experience them as usual
Go on. Name in what capacity Cata did ruin WoW. Yes there are changes that lead to some additional streamlining like removal of ammo, simplifying Relic Slot and poisons no longer existing as consumables but ultimately from gameplay perspective… It’s not really that different from Wrath
Which I can understand but after spending time in both old and new version of Kalimdor and Eastern Continent I don’t particularly agree with. Not every change even had to do with Deathwing’s calamity but simply with passage of time and efforts of characters. Take Western Plaguelands which mostly returned to their pre scourge state due to efforts of Argent Crusade and Cenarion Circle. Hillsbrad also simply follows the logical conclusion of the Undead Campaign we took part in Classic.
While it would be great for the world to be Preserved would it really be for the best as expansions would mount up and each was strictly forced to take part in some “formerly unexplored” part of world to not impact the old one?