if you check above you see my full opinion and if you dont like the answer belive the other guy play dk and come back here crying
and broadanyo here thats one of my dks for you
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I think it’s something else that’s bad.
Edit - Why is it that of your 7 alts that are level 60 your dk is the only one you aren’t currently playing? 
No one cares about your rating. You’re toxic and not helpful. Cheers.
For solo gameplay DK is bad, one of the worst. In good RBG team DK will shine and be usefull, with pugs you will suffer, cuz 1)no 1 will hear you as TC + there is no real RL in pugs, so be prepare to do 2 jobs 2)no 1 will use your CC-s cuz pugs are bad and missunderstnding of teamplay + tunnel vision 90% of pugs 3) be preapre that pugs in RBG will blame you a lot cuz you will be TC and RL in 1 face
In arena also in 3s FDK bad for puggin, in 2s one of the wrost specs to grab rating. Its a support spec.
Because I only play casters this patch? I literally played arenas for 1 day on my Enha that was my main in the past and I didn’t touch it. I don’t play any meele this season. I left it to my friends.
Also my point was that DK isn’t even that bad itself. It’s just meta that doesn’t fit it. Rune of Spellwarding PvP talent is broken but since physical damage specs rule right now in arena and there aren’t many caster cleaves then you can’t see it that much. Unholy with 2s with good gear is also destroying people. Watch Petkick killing people in the opener as Unholy. It’s because DK scales greatly with gear but the problem is getting gear in the current meta.
If Blizzard nerfs BM, WW and do something with Necrolords banner DKs are back.
Also this guy didn’t ask if he can get rank 1 with the DK. He asked about PvP as DK so I believe he aims for either 1800 transmog or 2100 enchant. These you can get with any spec in the game. Last season people also said it’s unplayable but Joel was top 20 in the ladder playing Shadowcleave F Dk/Affli/H Pala and Turbo 2.0 F DK/Enha/H Pala with Swapxy.
Mes is playing Warrior because then he has Intervene, HP Shout, Disarm, Fear and many other things to keep Trill alive. WW has broken one shot but is extremely squishy. Warrior gives him more defences.
It’s not the worst spec, there are worse ones, but if we’re talking about the arena, fdk is far from meta specs (arms, ret, ww, havoc, assa/sub, sv and feral). On the other hand, great for rbgs, but not for lfg teams, but well-coordinated teams that play with voice and know what they are doing.
Fdk is a support spec, grip-stun-cs bot whose role is to slow down and disrupt opponents. You are not the one who kills, you are helping the more powerful classes/specs to do so. If you like such a design and style, then enjoy.
This char used to be my main, but with the current spec design I don’t see that I could play him in the long run. In my opinion, fdk has never been in a worse state, both in terms of design and in terms of viability.
Oh is that so? I somehow thought that it wasn’t being played because it might be you know that it’s infact bad. Seems weird to have 7 alts play 6 and mysteriously abandon the worse class just because you only want to play casters. 
Petkick isn’t killing anybody above 2200 in the opener. Unholy is ever worse than frost but he flat out refuses to play it due to how boring it is.
You would need to nerf every melee out there except for enha and survival in order for dks to be “back”.
Mes is playing warrior because dks suck*
Dude you are literally DK gladiator player who says that spec is not viable. This guy asks if DK is good for casual PvP not for getting Rank 1. Meta really matters above 2400 probably and below it you can get even with offmeta covenant. You could probably get 2100 with NF F DK. I don’t know what your goal is but this guy probably doesn’t even aim for it.
And yes I don’t play DK only because I don’t play meele this patch. As you can see I don’t even play my Enha this season as I don’t enjoy meele anymore and I never even treated DK seriously. It was fun character for some RBGs with friends.
I don’t know where is your anger coming from. I just wanted to share my thoughts with this guy and give him honest opinion on how to enjoy the class.
About Petkick I saw a clip of him killing R Druid through all defences on 2400+. I don’t say it happens every game but if you play the class to his level you can do a lot with it.
Only these dealing physical damage as Havoc for example deals almost exclusively Chaos damage and you have quite good defences against it. I’d say that Rune of Spellwarding talent might be sleeper op but since we don’t have many caster cleaves we don’t know.
Not really since he explained it this way on stream “why would I play DK if Warrior offers way more”. Anyway I’m not here to argue but last season DK players also said it was not viable and at the end there were more F DK in top 100 in 3s than Enhancements who were considered op.
Lol then dont ask
you come here ppl that have actual exp tell you the truth you call them toxic and not helpfull XD good luck
I asked about casual PvP, and you responded with telling me DK is the worst (broad statement) and then randomly linked your rating, which means nothing to me. Reading comprehension isn’t your best asset.
no you didnt you asked
" just wanted to ask is Frost decent for Random BGs and getting 1.8k for the set in 2’s"
you wnt to do 2s with dk to get 1.8
and even in random bg dk is bad yea
again i told you the pure truth with exp
i play 2 dks atm and even stream
so i know what am i talking about
but good luck
They’re S tier, and most represented melee next to rogue though in BGs.
Thanks for the laugh
But wasn’t it that everybody said that F DK is unplayable last season and somehow Joel was in top 20 in 3s ladder while we had more F DK in top 100 of EU and NA than Enha that was considered “op” while F DK was considered “unplayable”. I agree DK isn’t top spec in arena but in every tier list F DK is middle ground. I’d say it’s actually balanced it’s other specs that are overtuned at least in my opinion.
It’s also hilarious when people who are playing on gladiator range close to their best ratings are saying DK is unplayable. Conquery is 2550 already while his best rating is below 2700. Means he is close to his life best one. You are 2200+ (with 60% winratio btw) already while we aren’t even in the middle of the season in 2s. There is still a chance you’d be close to your 2600.
It basically looks like:
“Guys is DK good for casual PvP? Should I play it”
“No you shouldn’t. I play it but you shouldn’t. DK is bad”.
ok you make no sense i am out XD
but i leave it here
~https://www.xunamate.com/
RBG REPRESENTATION
1.Subtlety
2586 22.4%
2.Retribution
1871 16.21%
3.Havoc
1784 15.46%
4.Arms
1542 13.36%
WHERE IS YOUR DK S TIER XDDDDD
last time i even try to help aperson and your the toxic one i am here to stop you from playing into a dead and weak class but you just went all ham on me as not helpfull and toxic
Ok ill expalin only becose i feel bad for you
youc an play dk with r1 healers or a insane player pre made team
casual dks ARE WORST CLASSS ATM
OPEN THE LADDER LOOK HOW MANY DKS ARE AT THE TOP WEAKUP
STOP TROLLING POOR WOW PLAYERS
Dude, this guy wants to get 1800. You can get 1800 playing with NF DK. Stop responding to him with your standards. Your goal is to at least get gladiator his isn’t. At ratings he wants to play at this doesn’t matter.
He states that F DK is S tier in RBG because Skill-capped rank 1 and tournament players who are contributing and as far as I know Xot is the one who works on RBG content said it.
Xot was in highest RBG groups on EU so he probably knows what he talks about it but he can also be wrong because as far as I know he never played DK.
Anyway why are you literally saying to the guy not to play DK if you do it. Just help him and give him tips. Tell him how to overcome DKs weaknesses and not drag him down. Also it’s hard not to treat DK players as the most biased after last season. I already mentioned how many DKs were in top 100 EU and NA while there was a topic every week how they were unplayable. I can believe that Rank 1 healer can push someone to gladiator range but I don’t believe that someone can be pushed to top 20 of the ladder by two other players if his class is unplayable. DK isn’t in good state at the moment but you overreact no doubt.
Also I don’t understand if you are trying to tell me about these rank 1 healers. Are you really trying to tell me you were carried and you don’t deserve this 2s ratings? Dude. Seriously. Usually it’s opposite but this time I have to defend your own rating in front of you. I never expected such situation.
he will have hell time getting 1.8 trsut me or dont i dont care
the question was
Frost decent for ?
The Answer was NO
rbg dk is good only in pre made good group not acasual pvp
i am here to warn
good luck to you all
and yea bad classes get carried by healers in 2s ofcorse
2s is all about healer 70%
you need to have brain to win but still you can do sh1t without your healer
I don’t believe you were just standing there and doing nothing dude. I always treated you as a smart guy as I remember you for at least 4 years of Arena forums. Why do you go on such rampage. Just give guy tips that it might be hard etc. How to get gear faster. What to avoid, what to try. Like I did. I don’t say F DK or U DK is op. In the current meta they aren’t but it’s not that he can’t get 1800 if he really tries. I believe that Sunny just wants the transmog man and that’s it.
Bro my rating is not what we discuss here. I do the same thing i do every season since returning to wow i get glad and stop for that season i have no interest in going for rank 1 yet especially when dk is in a bad position.
I never said you can’t get glad or r1 with dk i said dk was bad. The level of effort required to win games in comparison to other classes and comps is what ruins the class. The average dk has to play twice as good as the average ww, warrior, rogue etc because the class is lack luster. It suffers greatly from kill potential. Had dk been in the position arms or ww has been this expansion then i would consider perhaps going further than glad.
My xp in brackets is simply the highest i got on my climb to gladiator. Not a single game was played the moment i had glad and won’t be until either dk is changed/buffed or a new season comes.
If the class is still dog tier come wotlk then retail loses another player until such changes.
You keep talking about petkick, joel etc people who have more rank1 titles than me and you have had hot meals. It doesn’t matter how bad petkicks class is he still has very high experience and skill behind the game while also playing with like minded players.
I know you don’t believe it quite evidently you think dk is ok but im telling you that you’re wrong. You ask any of these people if they think dk is in a good spot and they will all tell you the same thing. Being viable and good are two different things.
The truth of the matter is that dk isn’t very good. It shines in rbg because you can spam your dot and it pads meters. You also bring a grip and mass slow through chains. High level rbgs aren’t always about who has the most damage. Cart maps for example are a prime example where strategy through cc and slows win the game instead of raw damage.
Mes is playing warrior because it’s alot better than dk. It’s that simple.
Isn’t being OK and Good two different things. I said DK isn’t good in the current meta what you said as well and I said DK isn’t that bad. It’s just OK. I’d even say DK is balanced it’s other classes that are overtuned making DK look like a dog.
And that’s what I said in one of the first posts.
Yes, but it’s Warrior that is absolute god tier now. Warrior is just stuck with all these defensive tools so he can deny almost every kill attempt on him or his partners. WW just has broken one shot that is physical damage which hurts DK the most and actually even more this season since Blizzard nerfed armor due to M+. Not to mention biggest cancer BM.