If he suggests all these changes, he’s certainly unhappy with the current state of arenas. Why’d he play a game mode that’s not enjoyable to him?
He can’t be unhappy about a mode he DOESN’T PLAY, use brain please? You CANNOT at all give an objective opinion on arena until you’ve done at least 600-700 matches and have gotten into deeper rating, e.g 1800+
This is like a couch potato commenting on the state of professional football and wanting to re-arrange everything about the sport to fit some sort of new vision.
Some of your ideas aren’t bad actually, a few are actually really good, but not all of them are that great. Sure, you’ve not been the brightest in some forum topics, but that does not mean that players should bash on you just because you wrote this post. Losers.
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No one is bashing on him, at least not me. I’m the last person who’ll come here to bash others. I am asking -WHY- is he taking so much time to post on an arena forum if he CLEARLY doesn’t do arena?
It’s a simple question which warrants a simple answer from Jito himself. I never said his ideas are all bad, they aren’t. I am asking a very, very simple thing.
Last time I checked Coldshade isn’t Jito, so I’m not sure why is he running in to answer in his stead.
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Why should he delve deeper into arenas if he doesn’t seem to have fun?
- Arenas aren’t very welcoming to start with.
- There is nowhere to practice. Skirmishes will only put you in werid comps like enhance brewmaster survival hunter or some stupid sh!t like that.
- Hi can I Jo- link achievement or no invite. LFG is trash. I saw an 1800 exp player asking for 2200+…
You have to understand that beginners have it very rough, and some of his changes would make it easier to get into arenas, and overall more fun. Not all of his ideas are stupid, some are actually really good. Like playing with the oposite faction for example, or the frequent PVP balance changes. Of course he can be unhappy with a mode he doesn’t play, he tried it and hated how it was built.
A lot are bashing on him.
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I know that, and I agree that LFG is indeed trash.
There is no way to get better and push higher rating other than playing with people who are higher exp than you, seeing as the game is so old and only the high exp-ed, hardcore players are left playing arena basically due to the entry barrier.
Beginners do indeed have it horribly rough, last time I played arena was Cataclysm when LFG didn’t even exist, returning now I had a horrendous time finding partners to play with until I got the 2k ach at least.
However, regardless of the state of arena, I am once again explaining that suggesting all these changes without even knowing the current STATE of arena fully (only 2400+ ppl know it I imagine) is… not overly considerate, let’s call it that.
Everyone had to go through the entry barrier, especially new players. You just find a way to deal with it.
I’d drop it down to 2k. I don’t play arenas very often, I’m 2k in 2s and 3s, but I watch pro players very often, I know the deal, what’s good and whats not, what the meta comps are etc. He has played arenas before.
This is not a very good argument. You cannot deny that some of his changes would make arenas better (I’m not saying all of them). They would make it better for pro players, aswell as newbs. But you choose to stay blind and bash on him “you dont play arenas you dont know”.
That’s not the truth, sadly. I’m currently 2.1k (which is very hard to get start of season, mind, due to all the 2.7k+ ppl climbing), and I make mistakes very often.
I don’t even consider myself to know even 70% of arena.
It’s not a very good argument, but it’s the way it is. You find a way to deal with it. Make friends with higher rated people, hire a coach or something, do a self play boost for gold with a couple of rank 1s which will teach you A LOT about the game (self play, not pilot!!) if you have NO other options.
Alternatively, just suck it up like we ALL have (like I Did this season) and just find people through the LFG. It takes a long time, but eventually you can find people to add to real ID and play with.
For the last time, I am not bashing on him, I asked him a question. Please read. I actually think some of those ideas are pretty good.
You know much more, trust me. 50% is just knowing what to kick and when to use your ccs/cds. Know this and you’ll earn your 2k achievement. Another 25% is having awareness of your enemies, tracking their cooldowns and not just looking at your bars. The last 25% would be everything else, such as planning, looking out for enemy mistakes, playing around your enemies aswell as good communication. I’m sure I missed a few, I only got 2k last season after all (mostly because I started rather late I suppose). 1900 this season the first 2 days.
Hence why he wants it changed.
I’d call this bashing, but what do I know.
I’d call it common sense really. I am not bashing the guy, I am probably the one who’s most civil to him on these forums while disagreeing with what he says.
Again, there are plenty of good ideas here. I am literally just curious why does he spend the time to write such novels on the arena forum if he doesn’t arena.
“Bashing is a harsh, gratuitous, prejudicial attack on a person, group, or subject.”
That is a pretty harsha attack.
I can give opinions on cooking food, I didn’t study to graduate as a chef, but to graduate as an electrician. I can differentiate between a bad steak and a good steak. I know how to cook decently imo, since I watch a lot of cooking shows, youtube tips and tricks etc, aswell as learning from mistakes.
Jito has been playing wow since classic and he hasn’t progressed at all. Nice try using Bfa as an excuse to not participate
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He literaly has no achievments at all
And how does this matter when his fixes are better than what the PVP dev team can come up with? Just goes to show how bad they are.
Just because he doesn’t actively play PVP doesn’t mean he doesn’t understand it. Take my example with the cooking, and stop being blind.
If you have nothing better to say than to bash on him, then please stop replying, you’re not doing anything good in this discussion.
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Yes and no.
The biggest complaint I remember templates got (and still do) was that they took away all your choice- Meaning you couldn’t tinker with different stat choices, set bonuses and trinket combos.
That, and the fact that templates didn’t exist anywhere else but instanced pvp: This meant that world pvp was broken and all but died during the course of the expansion, alongside dueling- Worse, even if you did play arena at a higher rating, the rewards were even more behind than they are now and took proportionally way more effort than pve gear. On top of this pvp talents were a massive gatekeeper for a lot of people to never even try pvp, so some of the blame lies with that.
Yes, gear plays -some- part in the progression system of pvp, but not as much as you argue, I believe. You use BfA season 1 as a proof of your view, yet I see it proving just the opposite: People like when pvp gear is easily accessible so they can then enter into other pvp activities to wnjoy them.
This has been the case in all of the expansions, prior to Legion. Pvp gear was easy to get and had 2 tiers. And those were the most popular seasons this game has ever had, regardless if you pick a season from Wotlk, Cata or MoP or WoD.
The progression in pvp is, fundamentally, your rating and climbing and becoming better. Or for some people, becoming an amazing duelist. Or a great BG player.
This is why gear needs to stay fundamentally similar (Similar, not the same!) in pvp- But it needs to be gear, still, so that you can use it in other forms of pvp, not just one narrow part of it. And to prove the point, I can again point out at the popularity of the expansions I mentioned. And yes, I am aware wotlk had some rating requirements for some gear- The weapons mainly, as I recall, and for cata it was upgrading your pvp gear, but among the majority of the playerbase, the honor and conquest gear fundamentally filled the part they were supposed to, as in both expansions the edge you gained vs the time and effort you put in was so little it wasn’t worth to do for most people.
However I feel that at this point both of us have made their points on the gearing very clear to one another, so I will just agree to disagree with you.
As for the rest in this thread, if Jito really is as much of a bumbling fool as you claim him 2 be, then it should be within your best interests to let him speak and blurt those things out and not tell him to shut up. That way all the people can see how big of a fool he is.
Or you just call him names because you actually can’t object to his points despite having a massive IQ and a rating.
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It’s not even about his low rating and “lack of progression”, a person has the right to be not very good at arena and still comment, the issue here is that he LITERALLY DOESN’T PLAY IT from what I can see.
Nor on a good level nor bad, thus I am wondering why is he even getting into this to such an extend.
This guy FAEPALM
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I should perhaps have explained it in the preface. Curious minds, seemingly. 
Back in Vanilla I was a hardcore PvPer. I ended up with rank 13½ before I was forced to go on a vacation (and subsequently lost 4 ranks!). I no-lifed PvP for 12-16 hours a day during my summer break.
I was one of those who would join an Alterac Valley battleground when it started and stick around until the end.
So when TBC came out I was sure this new feature - Arena - would occupy a lot of my time.
And in the first Season it sort of did. Between doing everything else in the game, I had ~4 guildies who I would play with on a regular basis. I think I hit 1800 with an Affliction Warlock in 2v2 (me as Shadow Priest, OP comp!). And we could surely have gotten higher if we were more devoted, but raiding cut into the schedule.
And it was much the same for Season 2.
And then I only played Season 3 on and off.
And Season 4 I didn’t really bother with at all.
And ever since, rated Arena has been something I do as often as I visit the dentist, more or less.
And that has always felt weird to me.
I play Overwatch. I do PvP there.
I play Hearthstone. I do PvP there.
I play StarCraft II. I do PvP there.
I play Heroes of the Storm. I do PvP there.
I play World of Warcraft. I…used to do PvP there.
So why don’t I anymore?
I know that PvP in World of Warcraft can be super fun, regardless of whether it’s Battlegrounds, World PvP, or Arenas. The best PvP moments are much more adrenaline-inducing than the best PvE moments. My Vanilla + TBC past tells me that.
But these days I don’t have 12-16 hours to play World of Warcraft every day. I barely have 1-2 hours. So I have to consider very carefully what to spend my in-game time on. And I rarely choose to spend it on PvP anymore. And I find that…odd.
If I look at the other games I do PvP in, then they have some things that World of Warcraft does not have - or no longer has.
For example, when I play Overwatch I usually do Quick Play games. It’s easy and simple and to-the-point. You just click and choose your hero and a minute later you’re popping off.
I can’t really seem to do that with WoW’s rated Arenas. Perhaps that’s why I gravitate toward Skirmishes and Random Battlegrounds whenever I do spend time on PvP these days. They’re easy and simple to get into.
I remember in TBC it was different. For one, then even in my raiding PvE guild there were people who wanted to do Arenas. These days I don’t know anyone who wants to do Arenas…hardly anyone who wants to do PvP at all.
But in TBC it also wasn’t a problem to be the solo player. You just went to the Goblin NPC in Shattrath that you queued from and said that you were looking for a group - and then you’d have a group a minute later. The place was packed! Everyone who wanted to do Arena was gathered around that NPC. It wasn’t solo queue, it wasn’t LFG, and it wasn’t auto queue, but it was easy and simple and fast.
Rated Arena today is a nightmare for me. The LFG menu is a nightmare. You need to be 2k rated and have multi-glad experience to join most groups. And if you make your own group, then you have to go through some vetting process from those who join, because no one just wants to queue and play. They all want more ensurances than my bank, because no one wants to risk their rating points by losing games because they’re playing with a stranger.
It also seems to me that the reason I could find so many people in my guild to do Arena with in TBC was because the gear rewards were insanely good, even for raiders! Everyone wanted those Arena items, especially the weapons.
These days no one really seems to care about any of the rewards that Arena has to offer. People will throw themselves at the new mounts in Mechagon and Nazjatar for their collections, but few seem to bother with the new Seasonal Arena mounts. Even Gladiator mounts are rarely spoken about, just some unknown object only a dozen people know about. What is the Gladiator mount this Season even? I don’t know…
Long story somewhat shorter;
That’s my reason for posting.
I am a PvP gamer.
I have done more PvP in WoW than most people on this forum.
I should still be doing PvP.
But I don’t.
Because the design isn’t very good anymore. It’s dated. It hasn’t improved in the past decade. But everything else has.
Arena today is still Arena like it was in TBC, just…worse in many ways.
The reason why I want something like The Lobby is to have that same sense of community as when you went to the Goblin NPC in Shattrath to queue up for Arenas. Seeing other Arena players is a great feeling. You never see that today. You just see group names in an LFG menu.
I want better rewards. I am not shy to admit that I’m driven by gear rewards. I want the shinies. I loved chasing those shinies back in TBC. They were the fuel that made me push my rating back then. I would like to have that back. Today there are sadly a lot more shinies to be had elsewhere in the game.
And I miss story. I am a lore nerd by heart, and I struggle to log in to WoW and then do some activities that are completely void of story. Just add story, how hard can it be?!
So those are sort of the reasons why I lurk around here, posting once in a while.
I don’t think I have to do 600-700 Arena games to have an opinion about Arenas. I watch the AWC tournaments like all of you. I tune in to Cdew on twitch like lots of people. I read all your posts. And like I’ve said, then I’ve done plenty of PvP and Arena in the past. The only reason why you can’t armory police that, is because Blizzard didn’t introduce Achievements and statistics before WotLK came out, so anything prior to that exists only in memory (unless you got Glad or Honor Ranks).
Hopefully that answers your question. 
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What? Everything up to this point was believable, but right here your troll started showing.
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You can’t really compare the brainless grind of vanilla pvp to the actually competitive one that arena start to offer after that thought.
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