Big part is also how much harder it has become to avoid damage through positioning. When everyone gets juiced up on mobility but feral stays on dash and some increased movespeed and hunter stays on one disengage and gets cheetah, the hit and run playstyle obviously suffers a bit
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So we let any other class be āimmortalā but not feral and ferals shouldnt cry. Ok got it
Just letting you know that bear form armor is the same armor Ele shaman has.
On top of that you got Thunderstorm to peel yourself off with Static Totem combo.
You got a literal undispellable immunity.
Mail classes have 5 % less armor than me in bear form + 40% dmg reduction and also totems that soak damage.
Boomies are of mail levels of armor too.
Now lets talk about the platers = warriors and dks got same level as bear form armor, while paladins can have more and usually do due to a talent.
All melees got immunity spells be it in the form of Dodge/Parry/Spell Immunity/Resistance or outright immunity like Divine Shield, HOP, Burrow etc.
Feral defensives are a 50% wall on 3 min cd and Barkskin which is 20% dmg reduction making it the squishiest melee dps at the moment.
And that would be alright if our healing wasnt nerfed, and every other class given so much mobility- we could kyte like back in the day but its not the case and weāre a failed flawed design.
And vs most classes especially vs WW monks and DHs i cant do anything. Even though theyāre physical dmg dealers mostly, i die in bear form every single time.
Oh shut up, any class has more output than feral. Everytime you want to take anybody for pressure you would take any other class or at least a boomie.
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And still Ele is considered one of the best kill target.
Almost nobody plays it.
And you still get full Feral Bleed damage through it.
So while you are trying to bring some arguments they are all wrong. What makes Ele tanky is Healing Stream, Earth Shield and Stoneskin Totem. Things you mentioned wouldnāt keep Shaman alive.
You are right Feral is weaker but for the other reason. Feral literally is a meele scep that has to deal damage in meele range and currently we have a caster meta so itās obvious he is getting obliterated by strong casters.
Theres a very good reason to be on the shaman, to not allow him to position, to be able to reach totems and not allow the shaman to cast.
How is this a good argument? You think my whole team is gonna count on my bleeds ticking while youre burrowed?
It does stop most damage both magick and physical.
Can it stop a oneshot ? it can.
Can it stop a paladin with wings? It can
Can it stop a Mm blasting? It can.
Can it stop a convoke? absolutely.
Can it stop a ww monk fisting you? Yep.
Can I ? absolutely no. I got 1 option if i cant kyte, its full defensives. And next minute i am dead.
Be realistic. Shaman is by far at greater spot than feral in general, you comparing it to ferals bleeds thicking while youre burrowed does nothing.
We lack defensives and thats an absolute fact. You can go in Ghost Form and have 15% dmg reduction for all magic schools and physical attacks while having my armor in bear form.
And i really dont see your point.
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A degenerate build that no one wants to play that does not reflect the history or fantasy of the spec does not count, but sure, you could perform well with it
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Bro Burrow lasts 5 secs - Wings last 30 xD
I agree Ele is by far better spec than Feral atm but not for any reason you mentioned. You are out of touch with how Ele works and why itās actually good. To be fair I prefer when they go me in castercleave as then I have my maelstrom bar full all the time. On free cast youāre sometimes maelstrom starving.
stop writing cringe nonsense.
Im not trying to understand how ele works nor point whats good about it, the context is purely comparison between defensives and you keep bringing some nonsense bs.
Very obnoxious arguments.
Itās neither obnoxious or cringe. Youāre just clueless. Admit it and we are good. Stop plunging yourself with nonsense argue. Youāre out of touch and you compare yourself to caster support spec when Feral never was even close to this archetype.
So what youāre saying is that if i spam that feral needs damage nerfs theyāll eventually comply? Pog!
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Youre obnoxious and cringe.
Yes true, but Long wings has a ramp-up and does most of its damage during the end. If you go Burrow the last few seconds of his wings you mitigate the greatest threats because thats when he will want to press his final reck/divine toll aswell. With short wings its the other way around, heāll want to frontload as much damage as possible as heās popping.
Generally watching out for when final reckoning is coming down is the best timing to use defensives.
Granted, one minute after that you will have to deal with the slightly smaller 1 min divine toll/final reck go again.
You are just bad - clear l2p issue. We can close the topic. Imagine bringing armor argument in the caster meta season. 4 Ferals in top 50 in RSS. Clearly you need to practice. You chose this spec then adapt to itās playstyle. If you want to brawl go create Fury Warrior.
Depends what talents Ret plays itās not that straight forward. There are at least 2 if not 3 viable builds for Ret now.
what a remarkable obnoxious response.
Yet again.
as i said im an active high end casual player with 2.3 xp in 2s, 2.2 in soloque and 2.2 in rbg, i get my desired rating every season no problem its this season i am struggling with only.
I am an active learner, i always have the new addons, i always improve my already advanced macros and keybindings i got 10s of years of pvp experience with feral.
Hope you follow along cause this is the actual context im writing this whole thing:
If this alone isnt enough for me to reach 2.1 , what else is neccessary?
From my perspective feral can be good in the hands of a gladiator in the hands of a casual player like myself it does not play well obviously and its been the case for most ferals so that means class is clunky and needs a rework, simply as that.
Classes have to be able to give the casual player the oportunity to survive and to deal damage, ferals are stuck in bear form with no immunities no self healing no offhealing no reliable cc (while i admit clone is dope its just not reliable) mediocre mechanics and general clunkyness.
Jesusā¦ You are so silly that I cannot even describe itā¦
- This season is deflated and there arenāt many people playing due to Summer and Diablo IV releaseā¦ So itās hard for anyone. Itās not that random pleb can get these ratings. On top of it Blizzard applies the fix to mmr so stop crying like a little girl.
- 4 Ferals are in top 50. You are in lower A tier. Still viable. Means you are doing something wrong. I donāt know your gameplay I havenāt seen it. Itās up to you to figure it out. I do mistakes as well so Iām not glad or rank 1 but I acknowledge it.
- You say itās good in hands of glad. Maybe youāre not suited to play Feral then so create Fury Warrior if you want to brawl.
Seriously dude. Grow upā¦
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I mentioned that my problem is not only in soloshuffle. Out of it its the same story i literally struggle vs players with low pvp experience who play badly etc, its just feral is too squishy with no selfsustain. You got one wall and thats literally it.
In any past expansion i could even 1v2 or even 1v3 and survive at least. now i cant even kyte anybody.
Especially after they added abilities with channel which draktyr has that slow u permanently and shapeshifting or powershifting doesnt help against.
and calling me childish while giving me several backhanded comments is really surprisingly obnoxious of you yet again.
Then you are doing something wrong.
Because Feral in season 2 and 3 of BFA was op - thatās why. Now we swap our positions. Ele in season 2 of SL had few B tier comps.
Still learn to play or learn to adapt issue. If 4 Ferals can be in top 50 and you are struggling with newbies then itās more than obvious itās not a char but a player.
Again - grow up and take some responsibility for your poor performance instead of blaming everyone around you.
I do take responsibility for my shortcomings, but its just your passive agressive obnoxious scepticism does a full circle with its npc dialogue.
I did min maxed everything i could and it still feels bad.
How do i get it into your head that i got high knowledge of my class and fighting against someone of 1.5 skill almost gets me killed everytime. Like i swear most classes their Hp doesnt even go down, especially fighting rets, shamans, priests , mages and absolutely always i lose against monks and warlocks.
You can even try me and u will see that im not a clueless druid.
Id love to prove you wrong.
Very true, I canāt dispute that. He could also be 30sec Execution sentence with 1 minute wings, or 2 minute wings 30 sec execution senten 1 min divine toll, so āsmallerā goes every 30 secs, most likely with a hoj everytime if he gets the CD reset fast enough.
It can be very hard to tell what you are dealing with at a moments notice. When I play my ret I even swap between builds to throw people off in shuffle.
I can imagine as a Shaman its even more infuriating with your flameshock on him going away everytime he judges, effectively making him insanely hard to kill for you.
your asking too much from challenger for life people, asking them to adapt when they havent learnt a single thing of the game so far
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touch grass. u reached 1x time above 2.1 and now u are calling everyone challenger, im not a challenger player.
I do play other classes, but i dislike boomie for me its not about the rating itself thats second hand enjoyment, i dont enjoy moonkin.
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