Kyrian mission followers STILL embarrassingly bad

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My A team is around 52, and that’s with doing the mission table every day. But I don’t use the app and only check the table once when I log in. I’m probably not engaging correctly with this. But even so it’s nearly a year into this expansion and with daily interactions I’m still far from max level.
My B team is around 47 and then I have a couple of lower level ones.

I did one seed thingy in the Queen’s Conservatory, it filled my bags with fairy wings and pixie dust and I walked away. Some day maybe I’ll read a guide and see what it’s actually for. My in-game experience didn’t inspire much desire to do more.

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u guys use misson table adddons what prodics the fight u besicly can see the end result befre even start the missons :stuck_out_tongue:

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Only way i cba to use the table tbh.

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I mean, there are grades.

Who can solo Break the Briarbane? Probably just Dreamweaver. The sad part is that there is no team of 5 that seems to work, it has to be Dreamweaver + 4x Trappers.

But with regards to generally getting through stuff, I find:

  • Dreamweaver is just the god tier follower. His nearest equivalent for Kyrian is Mikanikos, but I find Dreamweaver more reliable.
  • Tezan and Sulanoom are extremely strong and can be paired for brutal effect.
  • Niya and Korayn are both pretty competent.
  • Loth’wellyn is a superb single-target nuke.
  • Guardian Kota’s AoE is pretty decent.
  • Master Sha’lor isn’t as good as Loth’wellyn, but he’s still a stronger ST than Kyrian have.
  • Blisswing + Yira’lya together can seriously neuter a single target and make it not hurt your team.
  • Even Chalkyth compares favourably vs Kyrian cleave followers, despite being quite underwhelming vs other NF.

Honestly, I thought a 1T cooldown meant it was used every turn. Checking the logs, I see you are correct. But, Kyrian don’t have any 0T cooldowns, so they’re making up DPR by doing frequent tip tap hits.

I agree the troops are very key; I just think that it’s more fun to have competent followers. That I can’t always complete a mission with 5x Kyrian followers feels like an error. Is it designed to be unwinnable? More likely it’s just broken.

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I just smacked the same 5 in the same position till they were lvl 60, and now i am doing that with the next 5, and another group of 5 :sweat_smile:

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I just find the UI in venture plan easier to work with :slight_smile:

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Somehow i thought that would make it more complicated than just full groups on same positions. But i will give it a try :slight_smile:

It also shows how much interest i have in it, and how incredibly lazy i am on the mission board.

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Eh, if u can make it work without i’d just stick with that since venture plan isnt being updated anymore :sweat_smile: i’ve just gotten so used to that ui.

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i have not done it alot myself but i have like 5 followers at level 40-42 thats only becourse i got the blue shards thing what adds 100.000 exp to followers i happend to get all 5 in same day i got blessed by the wow gods :rofl:

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I’m relatively attentive to the mission table, and most days I’ll check it in the morning, and at least once in the afternoon/evening. Even with this, and funnelling XP to followers in groups of 5, I ended up with 10x level 60s on each of two characters. Others are beginning to catch up, but even with the new XP items, it is slow.

Resources. Quite a decent amount too. I think I get about 100 leather, some callous hide, maybe 50 mixed ores, 30-40 herbs, and a bucket load of meat and fish, per conservatory, per week. It mounts up over time :smile_cat:

Indeed. The table, for some reason, is not designed for humans to predict. I’ve seen Venture Plan plot over 60,000 outcomes for a particular mission - many of which would have failed.

It is, in short, too damn hard in the presented format. Ideally, all “affects a random ally/enemy” skills need replacing with deterministic actions that a human can plot on paper (should they wish). At least you’d be able to get some sense of where the damage focus was going to land.

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I run the mission table on 3 chars, basically just for the mounts (which i have gotten now), but its also nice for all the mats it gives if u play it daily and some gold.

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What you might find, depending on your covenant, is that some groups are too weak to actually do anything.

There’s also level scaling issues where they get weaker or stronger vs their missions, which is annoying. (Example, Dreamweaver + 4 troops can always Break the Briarbane, except in the region of level 50-56 where he fails.)

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it gives mounts ? i did not know tha i will start doing it with 7 chars :rofl:

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Indeed, do not underestimate the gold and resource generation.

In gold terms, one table can comfortably produce 2-2.5k per day for basically no effort. If you have multiple alts, this rapidly becomes significant. You’re not quite printing money like in WoD, but it’s worth doing.

Resources-wise, 10-20 of either ores, herbs, meat, or fish, 3-5x per day. 30-100 mixed resources per character. Again, it adds up over time.

The same mounts.

Beware going too deep into the campaign; after a while, only high level missions will spawn and you get stiffed over if you didn’t level your followers properly. You can do a level 60 campaign mission at level 40, but it’s a bad idea.

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It are the campaign quests. But with doing those quests the level of your missions goes up, and the lower ones dissapear. So make sure you got high level adventurers…

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I failed one at level 48 3 or 4 times so I decided to wait until my team is level 58 and then just do them all.

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It’s because the rewards are crap, and mostly you fail missions as your followers are crap too, especially kyrians.
Why should i waste the time to there to join a mission for my followers if all i’m going to do it’s lose as in those are totally unbalanced, and the reward even if a win is 200g?

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This mission is probably the hardest in game, which requires Dreamweaver, Mikanikos or Plaguey, not sure what Venthyr can use though.

I think Plaguey is lot stronger than Dreamweaver, he does 350 damage/healing to whole team every other round. Otherwise Dreamweaver is fairly equal to Mikanikos.

These 2 are certainly best NF has to offer, new Kyrian follower Elgu is equally powerful.

He sure is, together with strongest base attack. However, Kyrian do have several good single target nukers.

It is pretty rubbish actually, Necrolord and Kyrian equal abilities do much more damage, with better base attack.

False, Apolon, Teliah, Nemea do equal single target damage per round.

Kyrian new follower Hermestes is far better than Yira’lya. Blisswing is great though, after being fixed several months past launch.

Pelagos is better, Hala is fairly similar, Kleia is good too. Clora and Kythekios do suck.

That is true, some followers in each covenant are pretty terrible. But i think troops buff would fix most problems to allow 3/4 troops + 1/2 follower missions.

Rewards arent crap, its gold printing machine, you can get 1-2k gold a day per char for doing couple mins of sending missions. You can also leave mission table at lvl 12/24/36 missions, so you can do them easily with 1 follower and troops.

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I mean, my data will be slanted by not having all followers to max. That Hala and Apolon are decent didn’t do me much good because they showed up late on and weren’t in my leading team. They’re still 50, because I put my effort into the guys who were 30 levels ahead of them.

And I do find it annoying that there are effectively ‘trap’ followers who will hit 60 and not be useful. That does not feel like good design on something where it takes literal months to level them up. Bringing all of them up to the same level would be a good start.

I also only have Kyrian and Night Fae, so I can’t compare other covenants and haven’t even tried :smile_cat:

But it does seem like Kyrian troops are a let down too. NF troops reduce enemy damage by 20%. Kyrian troops reduce it by 10%. That’s kind of a warning there that one of them can survive a few more turns than the other. I’d be interested to see how Dreamweaver fared with a team of Kyrian troops behind him; Mikanikos can’t win with this.

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Yeah, thats why its good idea to calculate their power in advance, since each lvl is 10% stat boost. Even at lvl 1 can spot the trash followers.

I have all 4, though didnt max them out yet, i keep them at easier missions to not have to bother with healing followers or hard missions. Might go more later.

Kyrian tank troop ability is terrible, no idea why its only 10%, should be 30% to be more equal to NF “tank” troop. I find venthyr troops the worst though. Clearly whoever made this didnt even try to balance covenants. As for Dreamweaver vs Mikanikos, so far on Kyrian i just tried soul cinder missions and did them easily with Mikanikos + Pelagos and 3 troops. But i think they are equal, Mikanikos might even be better if his damage reduction comes when enemies cast their abilities.

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