LFR removed

In Development Mists of Pandaria Classic Beta
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This is the biggest mistake Blizzard could have done and for me personally this removes the single biggest reason for playing alts in MoP Classic. While I will still most likely raid on my main, LFR was supposed to be THE main activity for any of my alts.

Moving content - both loot and legendary questline related stuff - into H+ means forcing players to stick with the same content for the whole expansion timeframe and, what’s worse: forcing players to participate in the most toxic environment that classic has ever seen.

This decision unfortunately shows how delusional and disconnected the current development team is.

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So lets remove RDF too? Lets up the social interactions! Making the group from LFG chat and chatting to each other while all 5 of you makes your way across Azeroth to the dungeon <3
Edit: And what about random BGs? Let’s get rid of those while we’re at it! That way players can form bonds and friendships in PvP oriented guilds or communities and do rated Bgs instead.

Impressive that you can speak for all the people who wanted LFR.

Your guild with all its bonds and friendships won’t be able to accommodate players with many alts and you most likely wouldn’t even accept my non-meta classes into the guild trialing for a raidspot.

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Aaand, here we have one of these elite guildies who thinks raiding in guilds is everything WoW has to offer.

If LFR can destroy social guilds with planned raiding, then my previous answer, that people feel forced to join guilds holds true.
This is called gatekeeping and forces players who wants to raid to join guilds and accept their schedule regardless of how it fits their job.

If guilds were broken up because of LFR, then that community was already broken to begin with, players just didn’t have any other choice if they wanted to raid. It’s a forced partnership and it isn’t healthy.
This is as serious as gambling! Unless you can live with joining the odd pug, then your only option is to join a guild and risk your job in the process.
I’m not in a raid guild, I have my own guild. I simply can’t follow fixed schedules, so I’m left with the odd pug that may not even accept me.

LFR would be my only way to truly get a chance of experiencing the raids again.
And I’m sure you’re right, this might cost guilds some members.
Simply because these members then gets an option that fits their schedule better.
LFR wasn’t the issue, the leadership of the guild was the issue! Forced socializing doesn’t make an MMORPG any better than solo play, and with both LFR and RDF, you’re still queuing up with people, you’re more than allowed to speak with them.

No one is asking Blizzard to remove guilds, no one is banning players who use Discord, no one is asking for H+ dungeons to be removed…
It’s all about options, and LFR gives you exactly that, options.

That social experience you’re oh so dreaming about, it didn’t die because of LFR, it died because of people changing.
It has been dead throughout classic.

Even before RDF socializing wasn’t a thing. Sure you were probably asked about gear score, inspected and maybe the leader spend two seconds asking you to respec as you weren’t playing a meta build.

The only time I’ve been socializing in WoW Classic, was the few rare moments of open-word RP on a PvP server.

LFR would feel completely wrong in Vanilla, but the game and the way we play has progressed so much and it’s this progression that has destroyed socializing.

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Well Blizzard has made it official that there will be no LFR in Mist of Pandaria…

  1. No one wants to remove Dungeons+ .Celestial can be fun. I like to do mythic+ but at the same time I like to play Raid more. LFR is a feature that was originally added at the end of Cataclysm and not seeing it in Mist of Pandaria is not adding value but missing a feature that was there originally. It is something that is taken away from us not a favor.

It is easy to forget, but for Wrath people complained that there was no RDF from the beginning and some hoped it would not be added. When it was added at the beginning of ICC it was already too late and no one felt like leveling again or doing dungeons. What happened? Just look at the data from warcraftlogs and ironforge the population in ICC began to decrease more and more (also given by the release of SoD).

  1. Social aspect. Still in 2025 the same crap. What social aspect? I play FFXIV and the social aspect on that game has never failed, in fact it is x1000 compared to WoW and you have RDF and LFR for everything. The social aspect has come to lack on WoW because being social on WoW serves no purpose as a toxic community comparable to League. If people are not social it is not because of the game offering RDF or LFR it is because of the people themselves.
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It’s funny how you people always try to twist the truth to fit your narrative.

Yes…funny right? People cried to Blizzard to cater even more to casuals instead of “sweats” (when all of Vanilla and TBC already had to), made up stories that there’s soooo many casuals that will play and stick to the game for sure if Blizzard does…and when they did (30% ICC buff to make the raid braindead easy, RDF) the people still kept leaving…I wonder.

And now, I see so many people claiming once that Blizz caters to “sweats” with H+…one of the most alt and casual friendly system ever haha.

Oh well, we’ll see if Blizz sticks to this. There is as expected a sh*tstorm from people mad at this, mostly seemingly from people that don’t even play Classic and then some that (rightfully) do and did not get what they wanted.

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H+ is one of the most toxic and casual unfriendly content Classic could ever get.

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Because you have to contribute something? Because you can’t afk whole dungeon and win something? I remember original LFR in Pandaria. My blood still boils when I recall people demonstratively sitting afk in the corner, or dying intentionally at the start of the fight and not accepting CR. This is what I call toxic.

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Ironforge pro doesn’t tell you how many people play the game. It tells you roughly how many people raid in the game. It doesn’t count players who are not logging their raids or players who just run dungeons, do PvP, hunt for achievements or whatever people like to do in the game.

Believe it or not - raiding is only a part of the game. There are many other reasons why people play this game.

From where do you have these numbers?
I am well aware that some people just type on forums even if they don’t play the game at all. But this goes for both people who are pro- and anti-LFR.

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No ironforge pro does not say all players, it tells me at the what for a dungeon or how many people are online in Who or just looking at Stormwind. Raiding is not everything but I play from Wrath to Classic and in 3 years I have learned that Ironforge is exactly a reflection of the health of a server.

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The same people play in RDF: People who don’t “carry their weight”, are afk ½ the dungeon, dying 24/7 etc.

At least in a LFR this is much less impactful than in 5 man content since mechanics are easier (or even non existing) and your LFR run doesn’t suffer as much if a handful of people are afk, dieing or not “carrying their weight”

Guess what: you will now have to “carry” these people in your H+ runs since they have no alternative

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If someone afk 1/2 the dungeon or intentionally dying to mechanics, he’ll get kicked. You can initiate votekick and people can see the reason. While in LFR only to start the votekick 5 people have to right click the person and suggest to kick him.

As for “carrying”, guess what. I will happily “carry” someone, if the are trying their best. Doing low damage, not pressing defensives as a tank when it’s needed, but if I see them at least trying - I’ll be more than happy (I’m playing healer). But I can’t tolerate what I described earlier.

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We’re talking LFR here, not Heroic raiding and the requirements are adjusted to it. In LFR you don’t get kicked by tryhards because you’re not fully raid-geared already, you don’t get yelled at because can’t keep up with speedrunners and don’t get ridiculed for being new to the game or just playing a fresh character. This is the experience you will get in H+.

Fun fact: I used to be a tryhard some 15 years ago. I am not anymore, I just want to replay and enjoy the game in a casual way and really don’t want to deal with jerks that haven’t grown up yet.

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lol some of you people are legit insane.

You know what would’ve actually been casual unfriendly? Not having H+ in RDF like M+ is on Retail…so you people would have to put some minimum effort into joining a group.

Or even worse, not having H+ at all and you would have to put even more effort into grinding old raids for catchup gear. But as usual, you can feed casuals all you want, it’s never enough.

Brother if you’re gonna constantly say this you need to bring some hard numbers yourself when making claims.

This “there’s sooo many people doing other stuff and not logging ever” is a myth in Classic. Where do you get this from? This was true in 2019 Vanilla 1-60 leveling for a couple of months and stopped being true by the latest with AQ40…

As for me, there’s plenty of comments in this “outrage” right now that either directly or indirectly state they’re not Classic players…which is fine, I’m sure a lot of Retail folk will get more interested in Classic the later we go into xpacs. It is what it is. You can see it pretty well also when looking up this topic on the WoW and ClassicWoW subreddit. The Classic one is a lot more positive about this than the Retail one…for obvious reasons.

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Where did I ever mention something about “fully raid-geared” or “can’t keep up with speedrunners”? I even specifically noted, that I personally don’t really care but only IF the person is trying their best. I’ve been to dozens terrible H+ and can say with confidence that if it wasn’t for me, they would never have completed the dungeon.
Difference is, I saw that they tried. They weren’t afk and didn’t die intentionally. Which was the case in many, many LFR raids in Pandaria. I saw it, I experienced it. And in LFR you basically can’t do something about it, since only to start votekicking you need 5 people.

I don’t really care about LFR, since I have a good guild and we’re doing alt runs. But what really bothers me, that people ridicule H+ like it’s some kind of toxic waste pit for sweats and elitists. It’s not true. It’s more than a casual mode for 5 people, where you do the same rotation as in raids. The difference is that your performance becomes more important than in LFR. And you can’t afk during H+ or die and wait till your group does the job, and you’ll get the loot, like I’ve witnessed numerous times in original Pandaria LFR.

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The kick system is not airtight

You can try to kick some1 who is still afk at the dungeon/LFR entrance 5-10 min into the run.
Sometimes the kick goes through, sometimes it doesn’t. Even if you type in Instance/LFR chat, it’s not a given that an afk player or even a DCed player will get removed.
The same goes for unwarranted kicks. Some go through, some don’t.

I have also experienced myself being kicked from a dungeon when I was calling out people who were trying to kick a player with “low performance”/that didn’t live up to some1 in the group’s standards. :woman_shrugging:

Some people will read the reason a kick is being initiated, some people just auto click yes or maybe they’re thinking “Thank God I wasn’t the target of that kick. I’m not gonna risk saying no so i could be next in line for a kick”

In a VH run on an alt recently a guy was kicked from the dungeon because he was a skinner and so was another player (2 people incl. skinner number 2 from the same guild in this run)
The guy they kicked was a hunter doing top dps the entire run - I bet you the person that also clicked yes to this kick and was bottom of the meters was just relieved it wasn’t him being called out and kicked.

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If you want to quote me, please do it right. Im NOT giving any numbers nor am I saying “sooo many people”. Infact you were the 1 saying “so many people” in your post I was replying to :wink:

I’m simply stating the fact that people are playing this game for different reasons. Some of these reasons are not raiding.
Some like leveling alts, some play a “All the Things” game where they try to complete as much in the game as possible (could be proff related, x-mog related or what not).

With petbattles being introduced in MOP there will be people who will do only this. They will master this feature on a top tier level - knowing every pet and their abilities etc.

You like raiding. So do I. But it’s not the only aspect of the game i enjoy.
Throughout the years I have been raiding everywhere from 2-6 days a week. I’m done with that.

I started this entire thread asking for clarification from Blizzard about LFR. Now I’ve gotten an answer and even tho it’s heartbreaking to me, I will have to accept that.

I wish you well in your MOP endeavours.

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If I wanted to directly quote you, I would’ve quoted you :wink:

Yes I’m aware there are such people playing Classic. I’m one of them and there’s not many of us. Believe what you want, IF pro for sure is not “absolute” numbers, there’s many alts in that. But no, the ones who don’t raid or PvP (IF Pro counts PvP leaderboards as well) is small enough to ignore. Progressive Classic has been a raiding MMO since AQ40

Either way, since you’ll not be playing MoP I wish you well in whatever else you find :slight_smile:

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I remember this happening… a very small percentage of the time. Most people played properly and when I DID see this happening - the “majority” of these AFKers were actually “raiders” who were doing LFR because their guild “forced them too” - but felt they were far too “elite” to actually PLAY LFR - so just sat there and got loot - as it was far beneath their skill level to actually PLAY the game in LFR.

Yes, there were AFKers in LFR - but not NEARLY as many as people claim. I do not recall raids being “ruined” because of it and in many cases it was the “raiders” who AFKd.

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Blizzard is doing everything right, don’t listen to these whiners. The LFR is needed only by casuals who do not want to play with someone else and are closed from society. If you need an LFR, go to retail

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If you want LFR go to retail there you can afk and get all the gear you want.