Demonic creatures are good now, guys. We are doing the open approach where the litteral demons can be good guys. This is what it is now. Cat is out of the bag.
No need to fight it or chase it, it will lay still in the window purring in the sun.
Nothing you have read, seen or discussed matter from the past. Fact is, demonic beings and demons can be and will be good now. The end.
Ignore this insane offrealmer who thinks that gamplay reflects lore. Doesn’t listen to reason at all and ignores facts, thanks.
You refuting the fact that demons can be good guys, as proven in lore by the Man’ari redemption?
Or perhaps, you refute that WoW has been retconned to such an extent that old lore rarely got any footing to stand upon?
Perhaps you refute your own failings to accept that times change. Clinging to what was, holding it up to defend what is now headcannon tier lore.
If blizzard allows players to be Man’ari, to show them redeemed and on their little arcs back to the light. Well, then Man’ari (Mortal turned demon) can be good. The nature of the demonic form matters not, all that matters is the individual.
I know you hate what I am saying, because it shuts down your perception of WoW lore. Sadly, that is WoW lore now.
Blizzard can allow whatever they want, if they haven’t provided a direct statement or directly shown it is fine for a city, then it is not. Factions barely even matter, maybe it’s this perception of yours that everything which is made playable can walk in SW which has change and is wrong now, but no, that couldn’t happen, you are never wrong, it’s the entire Argent Dawn full of ppl who are trying to RP a mostly average Joe characters in the world as most accuretly as possible, who are wrong.
Also pathetic you need to come even here from the other thread to simply just to infest waters. Shows what kind of person you actually are. I would suggest you to get a break from WoW or quit completely but I know it is pointless.
I hope you enjoyed writing this, because I didn’t enjoy reading it. Consider the fact that ultimately, the time you have in life is finite, and you just spent some of it writing this, whilst I did, reading it. I just hope it was worth it for you.
tbh every frequent General Discussion poster should be contained and restricted to that forum for the sake of everyone else
Yeah honestly, whatever that was, it was painful to read.
It’s a bit of my fault as I engaged this one in Lore Forums with genuine intention to explain stuff. This is the result. Sorry, I won’t do it again 
What you just said, is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it.
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
If gameplay does not affect lore. That anything that happens ingame doesn’t count when it doesn’t direclty allign with your views…
Well, then you are living in your own little fantasy bubble and denying reality. You are enforcing headcannon, because the game - is the setting. The game - is where the lore unfolds to the masses. The game is World of Warcraft.
Scream about it being unfair, or not true, a lie, deceit! Yet, if you think about it from a logical and rational standpoint. Lore is only there to give some flavor to the game world. The game world is what matters, and within it, gameplay is king.
Gameplay dictates that Man’ari shall be playable now. Guess what, they are. No lore stands in the way of that - becacuse lore is nothing anymore. It is less than dust against the wind.
Demons can and will be good now, the ones that are evil are so by individual choice or failings.
Tear your hair out some more, yet it is the truth. Man’ari is playable, the lore will be forced to obey reality. Your headcannon can only fight it for so long.
Playable =/= good guy suddenly. Blizz is giving people what they want and the lore, by Velen, hasn’t said they’re welcome. Soooo…
The player chose what and how to play. Yet they can not do evil, so they must be good. You have no choice in the set narrative.
If blizzard makes a story where we are the evil ones - then we are evil. Yet, all other actions around that, is made up by the players.
I am not saying you can’t roleplay whatever you want. Yet, that is headcannon rules.
You’re ignoring what Velen has declared. Or rather, what he hasn’t. But what he has said. 'n all that.
Can you play a Man’ari, yes.
Do you follow the main story line. Yes.
That is the A-B path that is set.
You are a good guy. So, the Man’ari by definition is a good guy.
You can roleplay all you want, doesn’t change what is.
You’re one of those people who think roleplay is doing a /forthealliance after a battleground, aren’t you?
Ignore them, I tried it already in completely different thread in another forum and the guy just even came to troll here. We should just find a way how to remove offrealmers who come here to do problems. It’s a troll who doesn’t understand RP at all.
You’re ignoring what Velen has declared. Or rather, what he hasn’t. But what he has said. 'n all that.
I respect you, but you are not getting what I am saying. Your character, the one you play as Man’ari, can only do A-B path in the main story line.
The main story line got you going the path of ‘good guy’, so you are a good guy. This means, that Man’Ari doing the quest line are good guys. Meaning demonic beings can be good guys.
You can of course deny, say that “Those players did in fact never do X,Y or Z! It crashes with the lore!” Still, they did in fact do those quests. They are part of this timeline.
You can argue that nothing players do or interact with even exists within the lore. That is the usual defence. Yet, that lessens the World of Warcraft to less than the snippets of dev talk you get once in a while. I would not want my setting to false and rotten, just so I could justify my beliefs of how things really are.
Basically, what sword?
That is what lore comes to in value. It only matters when the gameplay demands it. Gameplay has demanded Man’ari, so they exist as the good guys. If you deny this, then of course, you simply refuse all their agency in name of protecting “the cannon as I understand it”.
All you needed to do, was agree to:
"Oh yes, there are good guy Man’Ari now. Good guy demons now exsist and demons as a whole are no longer seen as evil. They are humanised, they got no nature it is all nurture.
Also, yes, a character can walk through SW and the guards won’t attack. RP community will frown upon it, as breach of immersion, yet that is the new status quo." Instead of your: THAT IS NOT TRUE, FALSE. Because, spoiler, you can indeed walk as a Man’ari through the city.
That done and in the past.
If you refuse, that part. Then you can not justify Man’ari being playable or that they in any way or form could act as player characters. Simply put - the mindboggling lengths you would have to go to RP correctly is simply too harsh.
You got a Man’Ari, he gets consumed by a demonhunter. Well, that RP is over. That is of course not how it is done. If you wanted lore friendly mode though, yeah. It is a whole other discussion.
If you can play it, you prove that it can take any form, shape or personality the player can bring in. Some will just be more popular or disliked than others.
I keep IC and OOC separate, as many do, as nearly everybody does.
IC = RP.
OOC = Gameplay.
Because not everything gameplay is IC or lore.