Midnight shadow priest Is Mid (can you finally address this class?)

[Ashada-argent-dawn]

Alas we all know it will be Devourer DH that will be OP

[Ellipsìs-tarren-mill]

@Quátin-argent-dawn

I just want dot’n’rot

Pretty much never going to happen.

Blizzard doesn’t want extremely high DPET spells like old school DoTs to exist.

[Quátin-argent-dawn]

Yeah I know they don’t like the spread cleave it gave… And yet they gave us Physic Link, which does the same, but in a boring way. So I’d much rather have better dot’s than that

[Ellipsìs-tarren-mill]

@Quátin-argent-dawn

And yet they gave us Physic Link, which does the same, but in a boring way. So I’d much rather have better dot’s than that

The difference is that psychic link requires you to be continually doing actions. It’s not the spread that’s the problem as much as the “Fire and forget”.

In the past you put 2 gcds into something and that’s all the damage you’re going to do to it for 20 seconds, even if you went afk.

[Quátin-argent-dawn]

Well at least it looks like we can get a good crit haste build going with archon now

[Atahalni-argent-dawn (Atahalni)]

Except you can’t if you play pvp because versa will always be your 2nd stat, haste the other.

I wish they would just straight up remove versa. It hinders build planning so much in pvp.

[Quátin-argent-dawn]

@Atahalni-argent-dawn

I wish they would just straight up remove versa. It hinders build planning so much in pvp.

I’ve never liked the idea of versa. I preferred multihit when they introduced those stats back in WoD. It was more visually pleasing

[Salim-draenor]

Honestly, all the thing i read about the SP from Midnight push me so far away from playing this spec.

[Thellanah-aggramar]

@Salim-draenor

Honestly, all the thing i read about the SP from Midnight push me so far away from playing this spec.

since there is no point in faith anymore. I think we should just give up they don’t care about mobility nor stressform / looks or customization or everyone else has an instant cd meanwhile priest hard cast time CD for pvp.

Their 25% nerf towards the specc is like a final straw.

@Hiawathá-outland

The only time people actually went out of their way to pick shadow over disc/other DPS was sometime in DF. I remember a few weeks in shadowlands too. I don’t remember which season tho… probably one of those you’ve listed.

season 4 of shadowlands was a hell of a fun season to be shadow.

@Quátin-argent-dawn

I’ve never liked the idea of versa. I preferred multihit when they introduced those stats back in WoD. It was more visually pleasing

Vers is a thing now after haste you will need loads of it in pvp else paladins / DH will 1 shot you.

Will be interesting to see hard cast priest season 1 with no types of interrupts / gap closers.

but i guess priest isn’t the only class that will get a ability pruned everything that made the class somewhat work if not meeting full melee comp in pvp.

@Ellipsìs-tarren-mill

The difference is that psychic link requires you to be continually doing actions. It’s not the spread that’s the problem as much as the “Fire and forget”.

I wish they made Spirits/PL a choice instead of us having both make PL a voidweaver thing and Spirits an Archon thing.

or something like that.

The whole concept they are hinting at in beta is we have no idea. Also agree removing void bolt in form putting it on spirits are kind of bad you have no choice to keep dots up but time will tell if shadow will get fixed. Its like you need to pick those void forms choices even if voidweaver / archon

[Quátin-argent-dawn]

@Thellanah-aggramar

Its like you need to pick those void forms choices even if voidweaver

I’d say currently it looks very reasonable to avoid the voidform talents as Voidweaver

@Thellanah-aggramar

Their 25% nerf towards the specc is like a final straw.

Have you seen the overall damage number of all classes? There’s probably a good reason as to why it happened

@Thellanah-aggramar

Vers is a thing now after haste you will need loads of it in pvp else paladins / DH will 1 shot you.

Will be interesting to see hard cast priest season 1 with no types of interrupts / gap closers.

but i guess priest isn’t the only class that will get a ability pruned everything that made the class somewhat work if not meeting full melee comp in pvp

I still think versa should be removed and 3rd pvp secondary stat returned on pvp gear, so that there would be more stat freedom

[Thellanah-aggramar]

@Quátin-argent-dawn

Have you seen the overall damage number of all classes? There’s probably a good reason as to why it happened

we will have to wait and see expectations are all time low with stressform an outdated format still being their focus.

But we will wait and see untill beta/season 1 of midnight, To find out the biggest problems

1st to much focus in to void form (also why is it still a beggah cast time) 7 forced talents to need choose to even be viable is a rather poorly design.

2nd No barbershop customization for void form to make it in to either raven or void form fa*t cloud.

3rd priest can’t dps while inside dispersion. Meanwhile paladin can dps inside bubble sure, Its dispelable. i rather have dispersion disspelable and you can cast while inside it than it taking you out of combat for like its duration.

4th still no mobility at all devs sure don’t care at all meanwhile paladin can run at 200 mounted speed druids and Dh too.

5th i really don’t like the part of a direct damage class spec has to choose dotting as well when it was clearly an instant damage. I rather they split PL to voidveawer and spirits to Archon. They should crank priest up instead of going back to stuff that hasn’t worked and wont work.

also for pvp priest is getting like completely nerfed to the ground, manny abilitys makes you weak due to you need to choose those and removing defensives choices fade and its defensive passives and cd reduction should be inside the game not as talent but as a lvl passive.

my expectations for midnight is low. The devs have shown their colours.

They need to move away from void form admit its dead and move over to making priest mobile again.

Right now voidweaver is very fun to play. You can play mindbender cleave with shadow word death and short CD on Dark ascension and it synergy makes it easy to pull many adds inside devls and instant cast mindblast and shadow word death keeps shadow depths mindbenders up that makes PL crit high numbers cleave.

If these changes comes out a Prot paladin will do more entertaining game play than shadow in pvp and that’s a fact.

Their CD on wings is like 1min meanwhile we going back to 2min CDS like useless outside 2min I find it annoying to the core.

The devs needs to shape up remove like 5 of the forced choice nodes for void form and make it a 1min cd for voidweaver mindbender PL cleave.

also their removing of shadow crash is also a reason why i feel like shadow is a slope down spiral now we are forced to have RNG LUCk the target isnt running behind the frontal to the dot application which makes shadow very weak once again relying on dots, Tanks is gonna run 50 adds behind a Conner and that slam is gonna miss, that will probably be PVP and pve shadow priest core game play missing dots due to tank moving to fast away with out poor mobility and application.

but i agree we will have to wait and see expectations is at an all time low.

going in to next season feels like

@Quátin-argent-dawn

There’s probably a good reason as to why it happened

I think its due to 1% matters club not majority club.

@Hiawathá-outland

a small window in a season here or there?

shadowlands season 4 tope gameplay.

[Quátin-argent-dawn]

@Thellanah-aggramar

1st to much focus in to void form (also why is it still a beggah cast time) 7 forced talents to need choose to even be viable is a rather poorly design.

For Archon not Voidweaver

@Thellanah-aggramar

2nd No barbershop customization for void form to make it in to either raven or void form fa*t cloud.

Still not even beta

@Thellanah-aggramar

3rd priest can’t dps while inside dispersion. Meanwhile paladin can dps inside bubble sure, Its dispelable. i rather have dispersion disspelable and you can cast while inside it than it taking you out of combat for like its duration.

Finally something I actually agree with

@Thellanah-aggramar

4th still no mobility at all devs sure don’t care at all meanwhile paladin can run at 200 mounted speed druids and Dh too.

Only made worse by the fact that Misery replace SW:P

@Thellanah-aggramar

5th i really don’t like the part of a direct damage class spec has to choose dotting as well when it was clearly an instant damage. I rather they split PL to voidveawer and spirits to Archon. They should crank priest up instead of going back to stuff that hasn’t worked and wont work.

I’ve never liked PL, makes us impossible to balance. And I do both like and dislike blizzards hyper focus on Apparitions this expansion, good for Archon bad for Voidweaver. Alli in all they should combine some of the Apparition talents, to cut the total in half

@Thellanah-aggramar

also for pvp priest is getting like completely nerfed to the ground, manny abilitys makes you weak due to you need to choose those and removing defensives choices fade and its defensive passives and cd reduction should be inside the game not as talent but as a lvl passive

Time will tell the meta. With blizzards focus on apparitions, crit/versa might become the meta

@Thellanah-aggramar

Right now voidweaver is very fun to play. You can play mindbender cleave with shadow word death and short CD on Dark ascension and it synergy makes it easy to pull many adds inside devls and instant cast mindblast and shadow word death keeps shadow depths mindbenders up that makes PL crit high numbers cleave.

That play style remains and has even gotten a slight buff

@Thellanah-aggramar

The devs needs to shape up remove like 5 of the forced choice nodes for void form and make it a 1min cd for voidweaver mindbender PL cleave.

There’s only 2 and they’re not forced for Voidweaver

@Thellanah-aggramar

also their removing of shadow crash is also a reason why i feel like shadow is a slope down spiral

They changed it to Tentacle slam because it was so broken that they gave up on fixing it, so making a new ability that does the exact same but better and faster, was the easier solution

[Thellanah-aggramar]

@Quátin-argent-dawn

They changed it to Tentacle slam because it was so broken that they gave up on fixing it, so making a new ability that does the exact same but better and faster, was the easier solution

Problem will be now its a fontal and you need to aim it and it will miss if tank is a leeroy who runs 24/7 around conners with adds.

Also points out the next problem which is mobility and hard cast timers which tank does not care for at all.

@Quátin-argent-dawn

That play style remains and has even gotten a slight buff

explain in what way I’m interested to learn the though process.

@Thellanah-aggramar

The devs needs to shape up remove like 5 of the forced choice nodes for void form and make it a 1min cd for voidweaver mindbender PL cleave.

@Quátin-argent-dawn

There’s only 2 and they’re not forced for Voidweaver

( I hope that you are on to something. Void form is legit boring and no barber shop customization to choose if you want it to be raven wings or fa*t cloud) I really hope they step up and give priest the druid/DH/paladin treatment a complete rework away from stress form and bad mobility and hard casts.

@Quátin-argent-dawn

Only made worse by the fact that Misery replace SW:P

that change killed pvp for me, Now we are just a meat shield dead when a DH/paladin jump us. Which is why i surges they make dispersion dispel able and make it so you can cast while inside it.

@Quátin-argent-dawn

Time will tell the meta. With blizzards focus on apparitions, crit/versa might become the meta

many people on the us forums explains why they feel void form / apparitions system feels a thing of the past.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/shadow-priest-feels-outdated-and-left-behind-in-midnight/2191436#:~:text=After%20playing%20Shadow,modern%20and%20impactful.

Also off topic priest is the only class in game that needs mobility speed gems due to tanks runs at 200% mounted speed in dungeons.

So the problem is but lack of interest from the dev team now i might sound ancient. But in shadowlands when you had door of shadow / soul shape it made priest legit more better, first time in a long time you could keep up with tanks.

Body and soul and feathers needs to be reworked either make feathers a 5 man thing that bless all people in the party and you don’t have to put it out anymore Like druids ROAR. Bake it in to body and soul then give us door of shadow 2 charges with a 30% movement speed.

Also priest bubble make that and angelic feathers in a 5 man thing that you get an absorption like mages mage bubble bake it in to an ability like that.

Would fix the sloppy pvp play priest has going we have legit to much button bloat as is with everything hard cast and aiming required.

Then priest has some choice to be picked, rather than Pi I wish they would remove Pi make Void form instant cast and bake the haste in towards we buff our people and our self with Pi during damage instead make it a passive that can proc instead of an spell.

Like there is so many buttons they could remove from the game that isn’t even fun to press.

both as a healer / dps i feel priest has the most buttons in game.

For holy / discipline they could make Pi pop of healing crits.

[Quátin-argent-dawn]

@Thellanah-aggramar

Problem will be now its a fontal and you need to aim it and it will miss if tank is a leeroy who runs 24/7 around conners with adds.

It hits practically instantly, and it hits everything between you and the target

@Thellanah-aggramar

explain in what way I’m interested to learn the though process.

The talent’s for it remains exactly the same

@Thellanah-aggramar

( I hope that you are on to something. Void form is legit boring and no barber shop customization to choose if you want it to be raven wings or fa*t cloud) I really hope they step up and give priest the druid/DH/paladin treatment a complete rework away from stress form and bad mobility and hard casts.

Looking at the tree VF is easily avoidable for Voidweaver, because VF is practically just a cosmetic talent, and the fact that Voidweavers burst comes from Void Torrent

@Thellanah-aggramar

Then priest has some choice to be picked, rather than Pi I wish they would remove Pi make Void form instant cast and bake the haste in towards we buff our people and our self with Pi during damage instead make it a passive that can proc instead of an spell.

I do agree with removing PI and adding it to VF to make VF actually be a burst

[Ellipsìs-tarren-mill]

@Quátin-argent-dawn

Looking at the tree VF is easily avoidable for Voidweaver

Unfortunately not really. It’s still quite a lot of resource generation and has literally 80%+ uptime.

It feels terrible and it doesn’t empower you at all, but it’s still way stronger than any other single talent point.

[Thellanah-aggramar]

@Ellipsìs-tarren-mill

Unfortunately not really. It’s still quite a lot of resource generation and has literally 80%+ uptime.

It feels like such a terrible design for shadow i much rather they make us choose between Pi or Void form instead. Rather than having both like after 20 sec of 2min burst priest feels lackluster.

Or remove pi completely and make it void form instant cast with barber shop customizations

@Ellipsìs-tarren-mill

but it’s still way stronger than any other single talent point.

The void form node is a must you get you idol each 15 secound now.

which is a silly stupid design in its self, now you are bound you must press Slam of CD.

but beta will tell i bet they will rework shadow again before release which i hope they do shadow feels lackluster forced play void form can’t build outside it.

@Quátin-argent-dawn

Looking at the tree VF is easily avoidable for Voidweaver, because VF is practically just a cosmetic talent, and the fact that Voidweavers burst comes from Void Torrent

Voidform or rather stressform is forced else you lose you idols play. all other talents outside void form are dead.

[Salim-draenor]

I really dont like what they did to the ShadowPriest for Midnight.

I understand why they try to do by following the lore and the insanity stuff, but… I don’t know, i can’t.

I will only play Dpriest.

[Thellanah-aggramar]

@Salim-draenor

I really dont like what they did to the ShadowPriest for Midnight.

I understand why they try to do by following the lore and the insanity stuff, but… I don’t know, i can’t.

I will only play Dpriest.

Its due to controller and microsoft doesn’t like PC games anymore and they want their xbox to shine I hope blizzard buys their own stuff and push PC instead of controller games.

some classes like shadow priest holy priest feels less and less like priest now

Personally I don’t know why Shadow priest has 0 customization for void form looks.

nor any core gameplay forced in to keeping void form up like didn’t work 15 years ago.

I will probably pause priest now since the devs have no idea of priest anymore.

Look on paladin and you see devs that care to an over power extent.

Also of topic The delver boss requires you to face the target which also an thing their are forcing people to controller.

Next expack half the caster classes will be dead in pvp and melee classes such as druid DH paladin will be the only thing you see in pvp.-

@Krutzel-xavius

void torrent gone solves 1 problem but adds another one. Now you be stuck doing mind flay spam all day and in pvp you can’t.

this is also true sadly