MMOs for Roleplayers - which are left besides WoW?

[Ranko-argent-dawn]

@Aerilen-argent-dawn

altmer

Thats not an orc, and thus, it is wrong.

[Lintian-argent-dawn (Lintian)]

I’d be interested in breaking that status quo and running an open world RP event in FFXIV, but since I’m very new to the game and know almost nothing about its lore, I don’t even have an established character concept yet.

But I do want to faciliate it.

So my current idea is that my character will be some kind of IC philanthropist and sponsor of charity events for large groups of adventurers. Everything else so far is in flux while I’m leveling and learning about the world.

What I feel is that if we want to change the RP scene for the better, the best time to act is now, while there’s heightened interest in FFXIV from WoW RPers (and a lot of people from AD).

[Tehya-wildhammer]

@Lintian-argent-dawn

best time to act is now

The time to act is always now.

[Ranko-argent-dawn]

@Lintian-argent-dawn

open world RP in FFXIV

Events or just social RP used to happen a lot in Fallgourd Float, Camp Bronzelake and a spot in Dravania which I’ve forgotten the name of. It’s died out over the past few years.
Bringing it back wouldn’t be impossible, just need to poke the bears.

[Lintian-argent-dawn (Lintian)]

Ideally I’d like to run a newbie-friendly event in a location accessible to low-level players and relatively free of OOCers. Vesper Bay, for example, sounds like a good one because it’s easily accessible from Limsa and from Ul’dah (with some running). Something that would have the OOC purpose of easing starting RPers into the setting. Coming up with the right IC flavor and assembling people who could help host it is another matter, though.

[Ranko-argent-dawn]

Costa del Sol!

[Kenrou-argent-dawn]

@Obahar-argent-dawn

Why go outside into the open world where you have to meet new people when you can just bubble up with a few friends and ignore the rest of the world?

I understand that the forums probably harbor more of an adventurous mindset, but for plenty of people - including myself in the early days of RPing on Argent Dawn

If You truly are one of the roleplayers of the early Argent Dawn then you know that the server became what it is today because people didn’t do exactly that right? Circling up and hubbing together. Not so sure you want that as much as you think you do? Making Roleplay some exclusive only club, A social hiarchy etc. Doubt that will bring in more people personally.

@Candycrush-die-aldor

Yoho, this question is hopefully straightforward enough. People are leaving for Final Fantasy I heard, but is there anything else on the market? Any hopes for New World or is FFXIV the answer?

The other MMO games, Like Guild wars 2. ESO, Swtor. Have no designated RP servers. You will need to find a community and so on to get in there.

As for WoW and Final fantasy the US servers are populated to the Brim. All hours 24/7… Despite the time difference. They are just that many more people.

[Ranko-argent-dawn]

@Kenrou-argent-dawn

Circling up and hubbing together. Not so sure you want that as much as you think you do?

@Obahar-argent-dawn

Thing is, if everyone does that, then there starts to become less and less of the server to interact with, and when there’s less of the server to interact with, the incentive to set up walk-up roleplay in a hub lessens off, which feeds back into itself.

I’m quite glad that Argent Dawn has occupied zones, I would’ve quit much sooner if it was all instanced.

I think he said he doesn’t like it already.

[Kenrou-argent-dawn]

@Ranko-argent-dawn

I think he said he doesn’t like it already.

He suggested it, Then that yes. Made a point, then went back with what you quoted.
All true regardless. Both the points being made.

[Kellduril-draenor]

@Ranko-argent-dawn

Thats not an orc, and thus, it is wrong

But an orc IS an elf in TES.

[Ranko-argent-dawn]

I know, so are “dwarves”. But altmer are high elves, they’re gross.

[Narmë-argent-dawn (Narmë)]

@Sunori-argent-dawn

Gw2 Rp is nearly non existant thesedays. its there, as said, in small crumbs or heavily French

And even if one speaks french, unless Mer de Jade changed a lot since I left I do not recommend the GW2 french community, that harbored several harassers, doxxing, etc. (The kind one fears on AD but at the scale of a small country so easier for them to become troublesome to say it gently IRL)

@Tehya-wildhammer

I’m pretty sure that place never really had a noteworthy RP community at all so I can’t say I really factor it in as a relevant example.

Can’t kill what never was.

I know it had a french one at a point, lot of the GW2 one emigrated to BDO. (I cannot give much details on it, I never went, but some close friends told me about the drama. Among things, the harassers of GW2 moved there and free for all PvP griefing became a problem.)

[Tehya-wildhammer]

Yeah all in all that game wasn’t rp friendly and i def remember some people moving there that had me think “good riddance”

And then promptly never heard of BDO rP again

[Clovus-argent-dawn (Clovus)]

@Lintian-argent-dawn

I’d be interested in breaking that status quo and running an open world RP in FFXIV, but since I’m very new to the game and know almost nothing about its lore, I don’t even have an established character concept yet.

In the interests of not misrepresenting a whole community, I should note that I play on the NA servers. It’s entirely possible the situation is different in EU (on Omega or the Light data centre or wherever folks RP there). This isn’t so much directed at you Lintian, but I don’t want people to go into FFXIV thinking that they need to change a status quo or that the current communities need to conform to what us ADers are used to.

A lot of people are likely new players and want to try RP down the line, and while I’ll continue to criticise the lack of random/organic RP, I’ve had a lot of positive experiences too. I’m sure few people do this, but I hope folks will be willing to try it out as is and form their own opinions before deciding that they want to improve things or that it’s definitively worse than AD.

I mostly just commented to give another example on how player housing affects RP communities, because to say that it doesn’t is just flat out wrong.

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

[Obahar-argent-dawn]

@Kenrou-argent-dawn

If You truly are one of the roleplayers of the early Argent Dawn then you know that the server became what it is today because people didn’t do exactly that right?

Poor phrasing on my part. I’ve only been on Argent Dawn since the tail-end of Legion, and meant to say my early expeirence was nothing but bubble RP. This is why proofreading is important.

[Lintian-argent-dawn (Lintian)]

I’ve only been playing FFXIV for nine days, but the situation seems to be different on Omega. I’m at a market night RP event at the Silver Bazaar right now, there are about two to three dozen people attending.

[Amdusias-mirage-raceway]

Open world RP? On my Omega?

Dunno how you got that past the censors.

[Sunori-argent-dawn]

i found that very jarring tbh after I tried rp in other games after wow.

in wow at any time of the day you’d find random rp somewhere, even if it was just standard trash tier old town roleplay.

on gw2, xiv, eso…honestly any other mmo out there i then learned rp only happened at set times and set places every day. like in gw2, rp only ever happened at the bar in rata sum after 7pm. inquest rp happened on saturdays and all bar rp ceased til after.

xiv was similar though without discord communities it was harder to find still. was a lot to get used too after having it so readily available coz you’d get weird looks if you rped anywhere or anytime but the set time and places.

[Ranko-argent-dawn]

@Sunori-argent-dawn

you’d get weird looks

Those weird looks diminish after the normality shifts.
Screw weird looks, get what you want from the game.

[Amdusias-mirage-raceway]

@Sunori-argent-dawn

xiv was similar though without discord communities it was harder to find still. was a lot to get used too after having it so readily available coz you’d get weird looks if you rped anywhere or anytime but the set time and places.

The EU FFXIV community has a definite aversion to rping in the open world. Maybe its through being griefed in the past (there is a report button guys, use it!) or it’s just that kind of roleplayer who would rather do Second Life/Tavern RP. Ironic considering the whole setting is very open to the whole adventure/dungeon delver/monster slayer brand of roleplay, down to the fact you can get specific -in game- bounties for hunting down elusive monsters.
Even more so than WoW I think, considering the zones are not built as themeparks like with recent expansions in WoW but more as set pieces and parts of a world you can explore and use as needed.

It really does baffle me why a particular brand of roleplay is pedestalled to the detriment of others, when some of the big voices in that community have openly asked “why isn’t there more of x/y/z rp?” I mean, people are going to be put off advertising something that doesn’t fit the accepted brand.

At least on the US servers there is more of that AD-esque culture of random roleplay happening in the big cities and even just out in the wild.