My eyes hurt

Hope its not too serious and recovers. Im 40 and have been playing video games since kid I can say it is not only wow that has button mashing or causes strain on your fingers or wrist. Just sitting for long periods of time has a toll on your body. I hope you guys dont put it all on wow alone when its more like a problem in general for doing some hobby we love for too long periods of time cause we find it fun.

I dont have answers or solutions for it though other than that take breaks if you feel you have been playing too long, I kinda stopped care about the aches long time ago and I have rheuma so I have aches anyway if I have rest or not. Nothing last forever anyway and just like any part in any machine human body suffers wear and tear and ages. I find it normal and once you got pain you deal with it or not, do what you think is best. I dont think quitting wow is the magical fix of getting rid of this type straining however. Wish good luck for all of you anyway and whatever decisions you have :heart_hands:

if you don’t blink it’s neurotic problems, i can play sekiro or armored core or elden ring for long periods of time without having problems with eyes, also moderating your gameplay is a good thing

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might as well go to a doctor then and follow his/her advice .

The vision issue I am talking about is unrelated to ability to see things at a distance. You can have perfect normal vision, but reduced ability to register fast movement. It is normal that the latter starts failing with age, but it doesn’t necessarily require glasses(or you might only need it for gaming), since you see clearly. Your eyes just send the fastest movement signals to your brain at a slower pace. We are talking about those split seconds which fast paced gaming use a lot of, meanwhile you’ll encounter a lot less of it in your everyday life outside games. That is why I suggest to do a checkup on it. You can describe to the optrician that you encounter these issues while gaming(which I assume is an important hobby to you). They might have something that can lower the strain on your eyes, so it gets less exhausting. They had tips for me last month, but those are spesific for my mix of issues and not started it yet(currently testing a new type of lenses first for a month).

Can you give me a name for this condition? I can’t find anything about it.

The closest I’ve been able to get an AI to talk about something like this is BVD, which I definitely do not have as I have no problems focusing on anything and don’t see double vision at all unless the object is so close to one eye it’d be necessarily impossible to look at it with the other.

The other I found was Palinopsia, which is a slightly better explanation, but I don’t tend to see things that have disappeared, either. In fact I get quite irritated when I see ghosting on an old monitor. :stuck_out_tongue: OLED 4 lyfe.

Remember the advice at the start of nearly every game I’ve played, and in page 1 of the manuals when games were still physical media.

If the game has any sort of adverse effect on your health, cease play immediately and seek advice before resuming play.

You only have one set of eyes, and they are invaluable, take care of them.

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That’s fair.

Anyway, I’ve done a bunch of M+ today and all was fine until Cinderbrew. Now my eyes hurt again.

And this time it was on a smaller screen next to my face - specifically on a MacBook Pro 16".

It’s Cinderbrew. I can’t handle Cinderbrew.

What the hell? Why
 ?

It’s
 too glowy?
My eyes hurt from really bright effects especially because I have an OLED but I am also susceptible to migraines. Ardenweald for example is awful. Anywhere with lava. Cinderbrew is kinda lava-glowing?

I’ll give it a shot, but the reason I haven’t said it yet is because Google translate cannot translate it. It makes it into another condition. I’ll try find a more international medical term.

If anyone else have any knowledge about this, feel free to help me out here. I only know the name of the condition in my own language atm. This is the norwegian term; https://www.unn.no/rss-dovblindhet/sansetap-hos-eldre/syn/synets-delfunksjoner-og-synstesting/samsyn/

(when this is reduced, it takes longer time for the eyes to register positioning and movement, and it causes exhaustion because you spend a lot of time consentrating to read visually, in this case, what goes on on the screen).

You are lucky that I’m Danish and you just linked me Danish BokmĂ„l.

Anyway, that seems to describe BVD, which I am pretty sure I do not have.

Hah! Handy.

In english, the closest I got was a condition called Presbyopia, because it mentions “Eyestrain when reading for long periods, blurring of near objects or temporarily blurred vision when changing the viewing distance”.

It’s a lot of focus on other visual errors, but does this sound similar to you? This is what I encounter with fast paced visual changes in the game at least. Not entirely sure why I can’t find any proper articles on it in english, but maybe her use of the word “samsynsfeil” in my case is because my eyes are a sore mess anyways
 As I said I have 3 different significant issues. Samsynsfeil is just one of them.

If you want to read more “danish”, this speaks of the motorical functions of the eye during visual movement: https://www.dovblindhet.no/cppage.558409.no.html

Excuse all the old people pictures though
 heh.

Well, it’s about all I have. Seems to not be spoken of much, but yeah, it doesn’t really feel noticeable to me personally until I end up in very visually intense encounters, and maybe the game is just that visually stressfull on any individual at this point?

You realize, they’re adding a cooldown manager next patch? It’s not perfect, and better customizations will come further down the line, but it will also track stuff like Barbed Shot, and it’s better than the absolute nothing we have right now.

How about make a better base UI? Addons won’t disappear, but having some of weakaura’s capabilities baked into the base UI will be an improvement.

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A baseline UI that is a skeleton that nobody likes, but “more or less” makes things work for players is fine. And I agree with that.

But it still dosent invalidate my point. A Blizzard CD tracker will not make me change the one I have. Why? Because I have tastes. So do you. And that is what addons do. Its their primary purpose.

The more things you add to the baseline UI, the more Addons that “delete the current UI and re-write it from scratch” there will be.

IMO the baseline UI should be something designed for new players in mind. ONLY.

One thing they desperetly need to do is make a “default” healer and tank UI that is more intuitive to new players. Because currently, the “default” is exactly the same as a DD one. Even though gameplay wise a healer, tank and DD are completly different.

But for the rest of us “veterans”, its expected and should be encouraged to create and download addons to enhance performance.

You mean the casual playerbase because it’s not just new players. Most players won’t set foot in a normal raid or a mythic dungeon, and they’re more likely to prefer a base UI that works than get addons that just slow their game.

Yes. And the “casual” palyerbase wont track Barbed Shot either. So you dont strictly need a CD tracker.

In fact, it would be worse for them to fill their screen with blinking buttons all over the place


Those that need one are those that actually care about their performance. And they are not in the “casual” category anymore. (your defenition of “casual” atleast).

Some definitely would track it.

Some. You said it. You cant make a UI for “some”.

Why? Because if you do, then “some” will complain that they dont want a blinking button in the middle of their screen. Others will say its too big, others will say that they are epileptic and it gives them problems


The only solution is to keep the basic UI as simple as possible. And let the players decide what to ADD on top.

Yeah, that is your selfish opinion.

I’ve played this game so long that I’d rather avoid as many addons as possible. I got really tired of constant addon maintenances, and rather not waste my time on that after patches or other changes if I can avoid it.

Why does it affect you that other players don’t want to use addons anyways?

You do realise the default UI covers quite a lot? While I never did mythic raiding, the default UI covered pretty much everything I needed up to heroic raiding in SL. I contains a lot of information - you just need to know how it works. My best example is when some of my guildies told everyone to get a weak aura for the cree’s of whatever they were called, at heroic Azshara. Me and another guildie running default, ended up uninstalling it after realising it only did exactly the same as the default UI already did.

It dosent. At all. You missread me.

All I am saying is that you have stated YOUR opinion about the UI. And its 100% valid and I personally have ZERO issues with it.

But you have to admit that its YOUR opinion. If I were to ask every player for their opinion on the subject, I would get a different answer by every player. All as equally valid as yours.

So we have 1M people that want 1M versions of a UI, but there can only be ONE UI. How do you fix that ?

Addons. That is how.

What blizzard should do is simply to embrace that. To have “Curse Forge” directly in the “addons tab” when you press escape. With some “Blizzard Approved” addons and a search engine to help you look for them. With clear and detailed descriptions of what they do. With pictures and examples (unlike some addons)


So its up to the player to ADD more stuff to their UI. Untill it fits THEIR preference.

If your preference is to not use Addons, then so be it. You made your choice, and if that is what is good for you then that should be the case.