I like the idea but let’s be real, having a pool like that people would just pick the top Ilvl/score the dude at the bottom with lowest would never get a group.
People would wait out the system hoping for a better and the meta comp would just get worse and worse.
We can’t return it to the old ways, have you seen the state of the services channel, it moves so fast I can’t read it.
Maybe a solution would be to just add filters and make the group random like heroic but each key level has it’s own criteria
honestly, as long as m+ rating disapears im good, higher rated m+ players are always the first to leave a key at even the slightest inconvenience or sign of trouble. to me the m+ rating might as well simply be a toxicity score, the higher the score, the bigger the chance of the player being an absolute sweaty douche
I am surprised to hear that. I need more context. Even if you are a healer, if you got super low rio and/or low ilvl people will still not take you to keys.
From what I can guess, your friend is mainly a PvPer, so he might have amazing Ratings but Rio wise, super low. So he needs to start from the ground up doing first +2, ect…
But I might be wrong.
Dont. Because the solution is to make friends, join Guilds and communities.
He is a rly good healer and played wow since Wotlk and we played pve in mostly pservers, but we stoped cuz we are not in high school anymore and we simply didn’t have time for PVE and we just do pvp and chill but this exp we said lets try doing PVE and i dont remember being like this even on pservers it was so better to find people to play with and they never leave i dunno it just not the same and we waited for 30 min minimum for a grp, which for some may be fast but we have to study and collage stuff we just want to go in grps fast and play the game and not wait.
Nobody is crying here xD as i said i went tank and we are doing just fine, the point i was making was for the dps people and only dps that are trying to find grps its rly sad the amount of time they have to wait and as i said the only thing to stop that is just to delete tank and healers from the game.
The fact that you went tank, and your buddy healer … THIS is what happened :
Tanks are in demand. So they are picky. They will NOT join a group with a low geared, low rio healer. Simple. Why ? Because they can choose.
DDs on the other hand, are desperate. So will join any group. They are also idiots and will join only those groups that have 1 tank + 1 healer in them in the hopes that they have to wait less time… which will create the opposite effect in fact…
Tell your friend to bump his rio a bit, and then you wont have trouble finding tanks.
100% right and i dont know bro i remember playing bfa on pserver and we did m+ 20 with the most random players and we hop on discord and we just chilled and got it done but that time has passed on retail its much different its like they are interviewing you for a job just to go in m+ key xD kinda funny ngl.
I still prefer Retail over Private Servers. But its my personal prefference.
And I hope your M+ journeys end well. If not, Mistjo here promotes the “no pressure” community which might be of interest to you.
If you are looking for that “join random people and hop into discord” vibe you used to have in your Private Servers. Maybe that can improve your wait times and provide the fun you deserve.
The root cause is always player, not LFG or other game systems. It follows market rules and it is decided by supply and demand. No mechanic system can solve all human behavior problem.
PS: M+ is dead content. There is no point to make another useless system for it. And there is no system can save M+
Probably the worst suggestion of 2024. It’s already hard enough to get in the group and the only reason why most people get accepted is because they’re the best of the few that signed up. This is also why the 5 group limit is in place. This isn’t to effect the player that signs up, this is to give a chance to players applying to groups that the person hasn’t signed up for. Essentially rather than competing for a dungeon spot with the 0-10 other players that signed up for that specific group, you would be competing with the hundreds of players that are in a general pool of players looking for a group.
You didn’t get the point of the whole approach. It’s convenience. It’s not aimed to solve the problem of too many people for too few keys.
M+ is probably one of the systems that majorly contribute to player retention when a season is over. It’s not dead at all lol.
Have you ever listed a +9 or +10. People applying will always compete with 100s of other players on that level. And sadly those are the only two keystone levels that matter for most people. Many are geared through heroic raid or even mythic raid and need gilded crests or myth track items in their vault. Keystone levels 0-6 are worthless thanks to delves where you can get better loot faster. Levels 7-8 are only useful if you need heroic gear. Level 9 is the most efficient if you don’t care for Mythic Vault since you get Gilded crests. And 10 is best since you get Portal, Achievement, Gilded Crests, Myth track vault.
So when wanting to get heroic gear you could start at +7 but if you run +7 you get HC 1/6. Since you get the same ilevel on +8 it makes +8 useless (why run harder content if you dont have to). But people who run +7 can mostly also run +9 which gives HC 2/6. That way you save crests when upgrading.
Anyways. Most players who play mythic+ will funnel into +9/+10 keys. Causing those groups to get slammed with signups. While other keystone levels are pretty much dead.
I don’t mind if I have to wait 30 minutes to get an invite as DPS as long as I am able to do other content. If I want to play whac-a-mole I don’t have to pay a recurring fee for that. If I want to play fast, I’d look for a premade group.
But as it seems most people won’t get the point of the whole approach and seemingly feel attacked by it.
I kind of agree with the OP, I mean I’ve been just above average item level for the entirety of the early expansion. Now sitting at 609 ilvl with a score of 1780 and I get declined or ignored for everything? I mean how can I have done everything more or less at 5 and 6 and people look and go mmmm nah he’s bad. Clearly there is an issue and it needs to be sorted. I’m sick of sitting there for ages trying to form a group or get in one. Something for me has to be done because it makes me not want to play, I have a job and my spare time is wow. I love the game but people’s mindsets are dumb especially when your high ilvl and high IO on top of it and you still get ignored!
Just wanted to ask so I am not being confused around it: Lets say as an example I wish to do a Necrotic Wake on key level +X
That will drop me into a pool along with others that wish to do the same key and level.
People who has started a group and are looking for players, are able to scroll around in this pool and then pick the people they would like to bring along?
I have seen many approaches to “solving” the M+ LFG topic, I cant say I can complain with setting myself in a pool, do my own things and see if anyone wants to bring me along.
But at the end of the day: it is a community created issue with people following tier lists and meta to the letter and blindly follow what trickles down from the top rated layers of M+. An additional issue is on Blizzard side with giving SOME specs love and some specs to be completely abandoned and falls off into obscurity. Aug Evoker is still getting VIP free pass, cause they have a full Monopoly on what they do.
Lack of tank and healers in Pug Environment is still very much ongoing. I am in a community and there is plenty of tanks around as well as healers, for them it is a safe haven with knowing that the people they join, are on voice coms and it is DPS that they can trust. Also functions well as “support wheels” for new tanks (or healers) to properly get a hang of routes in dungeons and can get help through voice coms during the run.
But the reason I do not mind the idea of a pool: Atleast I dont have to sit and apply, scroll, get declined 50 times over etc. Will just be a case of I got picked in the pool. I would expect to sit around and wait as per usual, perhaps bit longer waiting times.
The most optimal choice in every regard, is to entirely bypass LFG and join a community, do it with guild friends or usual friends.
So what you’re saying is that you have no clue why your idea is bad. Imagine every single person queuing in to keys queuing at the same time. Hundreds of people queuing up every single second. Unless your ilvl is close to the highest possible for the week, you’re playing a fotm class+spec and have score higher than what someone queuing for that dungeon would have you wouldn’t be waiting 30 mins, you wouldn’t be waiting an hour… You would simply not get a group. With hundreds and during peak hours thousands of players queuing every second there’s absolutely no point for groups to settle for anything but the best. Currently you don’t know if you’re gonna get anything better if you wait so you get what you can, with everyone being in the same pool the risk of not getting anything better is non existent, so why settle for anything that isn’t the best?
What baffles me as well is the total lack of understanding of said meta people have. ESPECIALLY this season.
In past seasons the difference between a +5 and a +15 were just numbers. Not anymore.
The difference between a +12/+13 and a +5 is light-years away. To begin with, on a +12 mobs hit 20% harder and have 20% more HP just because and no cool kiss/curse affixes. In a 10+ you got BOTH tyranical and fortified at the same time…
Just those 2 things make the “ideal” comps for a +12 vastly different than the “ideal” comps for a +9.
So this season you cant just copy-paste the meta and go with it. Its a net performance loss if you do. Therefore, I cant understand the “meta chasers” this season. Its beyond retarded.
