Bro i killed you 5 times on my druid the other day in AV your a really really bad player so dont come here and give
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Potato my little buddy, long time no see,
Howâs your scaly skin, you still as cracked as ever?
1.2k posts on the priest now, the dwelling and degeneracy is reaching new heights previous unexplored by man,
How you finding phase 4 my little creature, i never logged on after the failure of phase 3, tell me all the goss.
Enhance went from pure godmode to just reaaally good in PvP and itâs like you all woke up with two left hands. âItâs too hard to play, Iâve been guttedâŠâ so you respec (and I gotta say it again but those andies proclaiming theyâve always played enhance even when it was crap in Vanilla are just nowhere to be seen anymore) and guess what ? Itâs godmode 2.0. Instant heals, biggest burst of the game, infinite mana pool, huge natural mitigation with armor and orc racial. And you are still here crying about your class being gutted and having received a mountain of nerf⊠Holy crap even a shadow priest doesnât have as much bad faith as you guys.
Itâs far from the only thing. If thatâs all you see in your class you need to open your spellbook and bind more than your Flame Shock and your Lava Burst macro.
I hate horde, youâre all ugly as hell and your towns look like sewers. No way Iâm playing that.
phase 4 pretty solid tbh.
havenât done pvp yet so feel free to rip on me for that.
shaman tank stronk.
enh dps bad.
elemental stronk.
resto boring.
paladins crying as always despite being stronger than ever.
parsed 60 on onyxia because parse rules are dumb.
heat level mechanics are 5head megabrain design (i believe they changed it now because instant 1shots if you are short 1 FR from the 226 requirement was the laziest thing they have ever done).
gg.
im not saying its not good.
im saying it sucks to have no sustain.
give me back my heals lol.
it was overnerf to remove healing wave in tandem with removing bonus healing from mental dex.
at least put healing bonus back on mental dex so maybe i donât waste 5 maelstrom stacks for a 600-700 point heal.
this again really?
i never respecced, im still enh tank/dps.
trouble is, and iâll tell you this for the third time now, they changed the gear needed to tank from physical stats to spell power.
even defense skill give spell power.
so naturally, people who play tank shaman just defaults to elemental because they already got the gear for it by virtue of their main spec needing spell power.
this isnât rocket science.
i am not one of those shamans, however.
might end up being that if my poor enh gear wonât cut it for me when i start pvping.
enhancement #9 dps in raids.
elemental #13
just because paladin is lower on the dps charts doesnt mean enh/ele is busted, you wanna direct your pala rage at rogues and hunters these days.
and no, shaman is far from godmode now. not gonna repeat the list of nerfs, and arguments ive already made that you choose to ignore.
no more instant heals that arenât dogwater.
mana pool far from infinite, not even int on pvp gear.
âhuge mitigationâ ?? bro we use mail armor, you use plate, omegapaladin brain take.
orc racial is not part of the shaman class, that is part of the orc race, donât get your library mixed up bro.
feel free to check all the patch notes that came out since phase 2.
it is objective fact, not making that up lol.
well lava burst is clearly the one thing everyone is crying about, and in your case, purge too i guess.
your class is vulnerable to dispel outside of your bubble so it figures you think its OP.
funny you said âeven shadowpriestâ in the other part i quoted btw, kinda shows you have a huge axe to grind with dispellers 
then i guess youâll have deal with the 
blasting youâll receive as a result, wonât you.
Yeah much needed nerf. Sad they also remove the bonus heal on Sheath of Light as we donât have instant heal but thatâs how it is.
Iâm not talking about you per say but all the shamans pretending to be enhance lovers of the first hour. It just shows the hypocrisy theyâve been spewing for month on the forum. You may or may not play enhance, I donât really care.
Now I love how defensive you get. So shaman is bad in PvE and needs a buff ? But wait, paladin is even worse, yet they need a nerf ? Hmm, kinda hard to justify isnât it ?
Anyway, itâs PvE numbers and I donât really care about those as weâre talking about PvP. As a paladin I donât need more damage.
I donât use a shield, I donât have instant heals and I sure didnât say that I couldnât mitigate as well. But once again, I donât have your kit. If paladin is supposed to be a âdefensiveâ class and shaman an âoffensiveâ one, then it stand to reason that I should mitigate more and you should be more squishy. Elementals have one of the best burst (if not the best) of the game AND one of the best mitigation (if not the best) of the game. Compare yourself to hunters and rogues, they canât survive what you can survive.
The lavaburst set-up is too easy with burn rune. No one gets a 100% crit chance on their main damaging ability (that is a short cast and short cd) for so little effort. Overload being cherry on the cake over-the-top pure madness. Flame shock + Lava Burst is enough to kill most classes that donât wear full R10 gear (and some who do).
The shadowpriest mention was a joke with the âbad faithâ expression. I actually donât get dispelled as much these days. Probs because there is no enhance anymore and elems only have room for Flame Shock + Lava Burst bindsâŠ
Well, I donât mind being blasted from time to time but for the sake of the game Iâd like somethiing more balanced since I enjoy SoD a lot. Alliance is already too thinly spread on the PvP scene as it is. And I hope next PvP event will not be a massive event where only hunters and shamans get to play but a smaller group-type setup.
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Back when way of earth was viable to take on all specs youâd be right to describe the class in pvp as having the best mitigation.
Now? Not so much, everyone (at the top of the food chain) does spell dmg, that makes the above average armor values completely irrelevant and the hp pool isnât any different from hunters/warriors in similar gear.
A good rogue or a hunter will also not have to take the sort of punishment a shaman takes if they play their class right, one relies on having superior range and traps to keep that range and the other can do the good olâ cc chain into death.
Iâll let you on a little secret, the pace of the combat is so fast you donât have time for any purging most of the time. Every gcd goes into either applying flame shock, casting CL or lava burst, riptide putting down grounding and or decoy or earth bind or disease/poison cleansing.
Against paladins at least the value of purging is barely there anymore, with exorcism/crusader strike/divine storm/judgement you barely cut down on any damage by purging(except purging something like a bop or freedom or wings). Every gcd you spend on purging is you falling behind in dmg and taking a lot back in return(most of it being spell dmg too, thus bypassing your main source of mitigation, armor)
That must be a joke, two reliable crowd control abilities, the best defensive cd in the game, freedom and an excellent speed increase cd, the best defensive dispell in cleanse. Donât play dumbâŠ
Now, this is not to say Elemental is struggling, I agree Elemental for now is one of those specs that is at the top of the food chain when it comes to pvp.
Hunters are probably on the same level and Paladins arenât far either. Elemental shamans might have the upper hand against a paladin (for now) but paladins have an easier time dealing with other match-ups that are problematic to a shaman.
If the devs would have tempered the absurd and random nature of the power surge rune and not have done the cleaving flame shock , A LOT of the random absurd burst spikes would never have happened⊠but they just cba to rethink those runes⊠or work on pvp balance in general, like they said they would.
Paladin top healing PVE by like 1000hps above other classes. FIX
Paladin tank TOP DPS rank 1 over all other classes certain bosses. FIX
Paladin pvp 2-3global people and have immunity. FIX
Paladins Exo spam has to go, only usable on non players. FIX
Paladin âpetâ chase you for eternity even hits rogues out of stealth. FIX.
Bubble has to get removed or reduce dmg taken by 50% and NO immunity.
Reckoning talent should work on 1HAND weapon ONLY, and ONLY 1 stack maximum each swing (like wotlk/cata version) Remove that rune shi* that makes paladin get 10% extra chance for another swing EACH melee or ranged attack ontop of all critical hitsâŠ
BLizzard fix paladins Now.
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These bubble boys spam forum 24/7⊠As soon someone post good information about the overturned class, they start spamming wall of texts with bs.
Arguing with them is like trying to win special olympics without a wheelchair.
Enjoy your overtuned hero class while it last, and hope you quit when it gets fixed.
NERF paladins NOW
clueless troll, horde should l2p. fix hardiness and shamans then we talk.
literally carried by broken racials rather than skill, absolute disgrace of you skillless clowns to talk about âbrokenâ paladin LUL.
thereâs not a single boss in MC that paladins do top dps.
nah it doesnt, itâs laughable damage per mana
skillissue
skillissue x2
Short time no see, how are you these days? Still struggling to win against resto shamans m8? You, the gladiator pvp god, pvp authority on these forums after all, beacon of objectivity and judge of balance.
im not seeing many shamans here on the forums vowing to their death their dedication to enhancement tbh.
maybe im not checking the right threads.
you also gotta remember that shaman - particularly elemental shaman - is very fotm right now, so a lot of people who simply want to win using the âbestâ class are rolling them left and right.
the jump in shaman representation spiked hard after phase 1 where their dps specs were dogwater.
the second people figured out shaman was actually good, disgustingly good even, the shaman player pool grew like 200x.
tbh it bothers me, because people like myself are being lumped in with this lot.
iâm pretty old school, i just want to use big 2h and smash with WF, but blizzard decided that DW should be better, and only recently 2h became sort of viable but its still behind dw unless you got hand of rag in which case you might barely inch ahead of a dw shaman if you sweat every gcd and get lucky procs.
on top of this, when people figured out blizzard seemingly refuse to nerf elemental and has no problem gutting enhancement (over and over) the number of elemental shamans skyrocketed even further and at this point the choice between ele and enh is an easy one by token of blizzardâs nerf policies, especially to those who has no so called âclass/spec loyaltyâ (which i am guilty of and thus i am cringe).
paladin got nerfed?
pretty sure paladin was just super buffed.
the exorcism playstyle with fast 2h was changed so paladins could use slow weapons and thus share in the available weapon pool and not have to go out of their way to farm weird niche weapons like the mace from gnomer.
of course iâll be defensive.
i main shaman.
its what i play.
the class is finally one of the best in a version of classic for the first time in 20 years, and people just canât handle it and instantly want to see it go back to being gutter oil.
well, whatever you say man.
paladin dps is pretty garbo right now as far as the meters go.
i am well aware that pvp and pve are two different ballparks, but pve will still reflect how well a class performs dps wise even in pvp, and based on that shaman is nothing special, and paladin is even bottom tier.
shaman doesnât use shield either, well at least not the actual combat shaman (enhance).
elemental and resto uses a caster shield which usually have lower armor, and they no longer run way of earth so they are easily killed now if you can get to them.
i have no problem with paladin having more mitigation because i know how the game is supposed to work, thatâs why you donât see me chiming in in any serious manner in the various âNERF RETâ threads.
the few posts i do make i mostly meme and troll about paladin.
i know how to play around divine shield, its honestly not a big deal to me personally.
but when people sit there and compare divine shield to like, priests powerword shield and mage mana shield, i canât keep my mouth shut.
such travesty must be addressed.
the whole problem we are seeing here, is that apparently the âoffensiveâ aspect of shaman is not acceptable to some players.
they spent 20 years dunking on shamans of all specs, so to them it is basically heresy that a shaman can not only fight back but actually win, and in some cases win overwhelmingly (shaman vs. paladin is a good example).
shaman vs. paladin was one of the few matchups that were in the shamans favor even when they were both meme specs, because shaman has offensive dispel and paladin relies on buffs to function⊠i mean, the math is not hard to do on that one.
hold on a minute, Greg.
elemental shaman has no mitigation outside of their armor/shield, which equals to like 3000-4000 armor total.
they might have decent mitigation for a CASTER, but even then warlock is supreme by far⊠boomkin is also tougher⊠shadowpriest not badâŠ
as a matter of fact the only caster who has straight up bad mitigation is mage, lol.
hunters and rogues have different toolkits, they got a ton of CC and in hunters case a pet too, and none of them suffer on their dps by having to hard cast (as in spell cast) their abilities etc.
of course their mitigation canât be as good as a class who has none of that stuff and even so, they can achieve decent mitigation.
hunter has mail armor and some melee runes they can use, and rogues have vanish and evasion + their stun toolkit, blind etc.
agreed.
quick lets nerf spirit wolves.
-blizzard.
in my experience (but i might be biased) BRM is filled to the brim with alliance gankers every event.
maybe i am just unlucky with layers, but i see far more alliance ganker groups at key choke points in the mountain, such as in front of MC elf guy, the searing gorge > mountain entrance, UBRS entrance, on the chain leading up to UBRS, all being some prime examples.
im sure horde does it too.
Forced to run riptide and earthshield to work in pvp, wote is no go for ele and resto
Armor just doesnât matter anymore, it matters even less than it used to(not much). Spell damage is king and all the top specs atm deal all, or most, of their damage as spell damage.
This is probably why warriors, with such a bonkers mobility toolkit, are still struggling. Warriors funny enough pay the biggest damage tax out of all the classes atm because their entire damage is physical and thus reduced by armor considerably.
I am sure if they got colossus smash(100% armor pen debuff cooldown they had in cata) they would melt people too with the mobility they have and meathook.
Wait, what?
And our cities are all more than lovely!
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So im not missing much then.
Hunter is not tutorial class. If it was it would not be on top for the top 5% parses and not even top 3 for all parses.
It means there is a skill gap here and that it is far from easy to play. Try launching one trap every 3 GCD on bosses that need pixel precision placement without missing a single one and ruining half your DPS for the next 10 sec. Same thing for any movement. If you have to move you destroy your sniper training for 6 sec at least after you finish moving. No other class has such impact from movement on DPS. I play other classes even casters that need to hard cast , you loose your DPS for the 2 sec you move but can resume your rotation. And be okay. Not with hunter.
So your salty opinion on hunters being tutorial class is clearly not valid and show that you donât know what you are talking about.
Lmao what, if a Mage has to move during a Frostfire bolt he does 0 damage, at least Hunter still has a ton of instant damage ( Multi, autoshot, chimera ).
What is bro talking about.
You are taking SOD way too seriously and seem to post every single one of your message about hunters , you are on every topic about it.
So what happened ? If hunter is so strong feel free to reroll mate. You donât even tell what your main is and donât post with your character.
Yes, it is. Hunter has by far the lowest skill floor in the game. Mightâve been one of the harder classes in Classic, but not in SoD. Nor in any other version of the game either. Legion went and made the Demon Hunter class, something that was supposed to be easy to learn and jump right into; the original hunter was still much easier to play.
If somebody is new to an MMORPG and wants to explore, the recommended class would always be a hunter.
And no, you donât lose all of your DPS if sniper training falls off. Furthermore, hunters are currently doing nearly twice as much damage as most other classes with hardly any effort.
Hunters have been the scourge of SoD every single phase, be it from overtuned pets, to overtuned melee and now overtuned traps. Thereâs no excuse for it.