No new city for Night elves - Bel'Ameth the Capital village

I’m curious about his take on this, and where he’ll try to direct the story. Gameplay mechanics don’t have to match the narrative, I’ve no idea why they seem to want to intertwine them. No tension at all and everyone simply getting along, and only the big bads of an expansion creating some kind of conflict with them specifically is dull compared to working with racial and cultural differences and ensuing clashes. With the latter you create much more potential for indepth racial flavour, and organic development of conflict. If you do it well. It’s been a while.

In that sense I’m rather torn. If they can only do faction conflict with ridiculous storytelling I think I’ll pass lol.

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While some are saying that he had his hands in the current expansion I think that is a pretty short sighted claim to make. He came back about a year ago and first of all had to get an overview again on the inner workings and what is going on. Plus expansions are usually planned and worked on way in advance. There’s a good chance he simply didn’t want to interfere in the ongoing process and straight away focused on fixing the mess. He’s without doubt been following the disaster from the sideline the years before. And since he, other than a couple of other team members is a dedicated game master in terms of pen & paper, he probably prepared for the mission as such.

Also, the interview Ian gave at Blizzcon, with all the “we gave up resistance and being stubborn” really made me wonder. I doubt they freely gave up their stubbornness towards stances they’ve been ironly whipping through in SL. They simple were told how things will be going from now on. That’s at least my guess.

I still don’t get how you can be so uncreative though. People in the forums often have a felt 100 ideas that would’ve been better than anything they chose to settle with. How can that be?

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It’s in my eyes 99.999% likely that its just blizzard who doesn’t want to write a split experience for horde and alliance anymore, it worked extremely well in WoD honestly with some of the best storytelling they’ve put in leveling to date and for BFA definately had some golden moments in the leveling experience, but its probably resource intensive

I definately wouldn’t fault other players for this, I think hardly anyone who still cares about the existance of the factions (wether or not they want conflict between them) likes how its open to horde players

And helf players would’ve mostly wanted their blood elf models for Alliane, so even they would’ve cared about the factions

I’m a high elf supporter through and through; but not at the expense of blood elves losing their nations or the void elves losing their stick

High Elves could have made so much use out of Crystalsong Forest / Shandaral. It has everything that they need. Ancient Arcane heritage, a good base for High Elven Warriors and Rangers to defend…

They didn’t need Quel’Thalas or Silvermoon.

Try both.

There was a similar situation, with Pathfinder. The majority of players didn’t want to wait until the end of the expansion to be able to fly that does not even make sense. But there was this masochistic, loud minority that constantly complained about the evilness of flying and Blizzard used that minority to time gate flying.

Take a bunch of helf wannabes who are so desperate to be Alliance belfs that they would literally destroy everything in their path, factions, pvp, everything as long as they get to play out their fetish. Another reason for Blizzard to cut some corners, take some shortcuts.

Thing is the Pathfinder crap is over. They saw how much it sucked and how much it annoyed people. So if they can notice that, they can also notice this. That using some vocal minority to justify certain changes may end up pissing off the majority.

I don’t get it either. I’ve seen forummers manage to make a very interesting story out of the craziest elements while speculating where it all would go. And then Blizzard did it and it was a total dud where you can only scratch your head and wonder what the writers were thinking. It’s a shame because those forummers showed even terribad stories can have the potential to be salvaged and make players go: I did not see that coming, it was cool!

WoW has rarely had superb writing, in that sense it’s not surprising. But that doesn’t explain why it has gotten worse and even less consistent. You’d expect it to grow and expand with time. Either way, like you I hope Metzen may bring some of this.

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The pre-BfA writing at least had the power to create mysteria and excitement. That’s something that bothers me the most tbh. The de-mystifying of characters and lore. Emerald Dream is the best example. It has been a place that inspired the fantasy of players. That unexplored place of myths and secrets. Although I love the new zone it kind of destroyed the spell of curiosity the location had lore-wise. The design is okay but the whole content feels a bit like exploitation of a sacred place for quick content for me. Haters gonna hate but for someone, who always considered the dream as one of the most interesting narratives on lore locations, it was a bit underwhelming with regards of realisation. Similar de-mystification can be observed with characters like Sylvanas or the aspects. And, of course Night Elf lore, to stick with the topic.

I know games aren’t books. But games that have written volumes or are based on books, there is a bit of a responsibility to meet basic narrative standards imo. The game needs to match the general niveau if written volumes. How can a franchise throw out high quality fantasy literary with deep narrative focus and make the game it’s based upon seem like no literary standards were applied at all. It’s such a paradoxon.

Will have to wait and see if he can turn this around. If he can’t, nobody can.

But the horde wanted Suramar and wanted Nightborne who are Nelf sub-race. But they only got interested when they saw what a Nelf city looked like in game, and how powerful NElf arcane community can be. In the lore the Shen’dralar are just as powerful and are an even higher calibre of mage - but the difference is they never showed them in a pristine city, nor showed them casting powerful magic all around.

So horde players never wanted them in night elf form, or their ruined city… does that surprise you? When blizzard only show night elves in ruins, rural settings, and mostly druids - it’s bland and not very attractive - and they know it… it’s why they left them there for most of wow - because to do otherwise would make them attractive and take away from the horde they wanted to buff.

But now, the horde has many ore hardcore players than the alliance - so they really have no reason to do keep the night elves down - except now, they have done it for so long, this is now the default position of the night elves, night elves in wow to the devs now mean forests and ruins - the initial foundation laid in WC3 and the War of the Ancients, the epic image is gone.

Dried up by years of neglect… so when they finally did it justice in legion, it felt more natural to be on the horde with the blood elves than on the alliance with the rest of the night elves and alongside the existing Highborne.

It is likely two different teams making this decision - the lore team know full well that the Nightborne, Suramar, all that stuff is night elven and is part of the0 night elven identity and package, and designed it so, the other team, are systems, games, etc and other designers, they don’t know this or care, they play the game for fun and testing, most of them play horde, to them, without the knowledge of the lore, the Nightborne feel more blood elf like, and feel better on the horde.

They are not aware about night elf civilization or the dark elf and forest elf duality of the night elves, most of them were fans who played the game, and had talent in games design or tech skills, worked for blizzard, and most of them only saw the initial work for night elves never reading any of the books or even bothering about the lore. you don’t kneed to know night elf lore to be a systems design, or game designer or even art designer, only the lore team would require such knowledge.

But if a systems and games designer is making choices on what race would go where, then they are going to wan the best stuff to go to the faction they spend most time on.

But the mere knowledge of this goes to show, that doing night elven stuff is considered “best stuff” grade… so it seems insane to nelf fans, that they won’t get something of that calibre that is part of their race lore wise, in game on their own side from their own race.

Chief, by the time we saw the NB city we already knew they were adding nb elves to the Horde. I love how you make it sound like it’s some kind of conspiracy between Blizzard and the Horde to rob the Nelfs of one of their rights.
Fact is I think it was a rushed decision to give the Horde the NB elves because if you take a look at the models, they look nothing like the originals. Why? Why bother adding a new race and having two separate models for the npcs and another for the player? Leads me to think the addition of NB elves to the player roster was done on a whim and as an equalizer to giving the void elves to the Alliance.

And no, the fact that they are related to nelfs does not give nelfs the right to their stuff no more than it gives them the right to belfs stuff, I mean by your logic everything nelf should belong to the trolls cause nelfs are a troll subrace in the end.

Look, there’s no more life to beat out of this dead horse. Stay miserable if you want to, I don’t care, but we are done talking about this.

Lool… says who? you? they hadn’t decided to do allied races for BFA until the meeting well into the programming of 7.1 - do you know they changed Elisande, Tyrande, Vereesa lines and role to accommodate for the nightborne going horde?

Do you know that the nightborne were all going to be wiped out by us - the only survivors were going to be the nightfallen who were going to be restored to their original night elven forms.

Why would you design Suramar, a city 100% tied to the night elf lore and f an d in particular the playable faction if you were going to take t he Nightborne horde? no the decision to take the nightborne horde came after a serious debate before the release of 7.1 and they admitted senior developers voted in favour over it - saying it was quite close where they were going to go.

Look I don’t blame you for not understanding, 3/4 of the players in wow don’t know jack about the night elves, nor do they care, they’ve played many other races and not paid attention to lore or the quest texts and information that inform what they see. They simply have no clue.

Who knows, if it was a conspiracy, just that most senior devs at the time played the horde and had been developing the horde for years. Most game designers play the horde, and most of the top guilds and biggest progress in wow were on horde guilds since wotLk, horde arena partnerships, does it surprise you that most of the development team who had been pushing the horde both played it and favoured it heavily for the best additions?

It’s the art team that designed the city, the “alliance” development team supporters are largely junior staff members, who either don’t get to vote or don’t count, but they count when blizzard say roughly 50% support between horde and alliance, what they fail to mention is that it’s nearly 100% in senior development.

When legion was planned, the art team and development were briefed properly on night elf lore. The detail in the broken isles is far too accurate for me to doubt that. It fits the lore in the novels down to the T, especially Suramar - you wouldn’t know that if you haven’t read WotA because you didn’t care for night elven lore. or just didn’t do blizzard books.

Claim all you want, it’s weird a night elf sub-race went horde, when they always follow the main race, , that they had to even vote on it shows the bias, because with equally large support for the Nightborne returning to the night elves, you woudl have thought it was a done deal, but years of favouring the horde led to this. the art team did a master piece, it has all the elements fantasy players like about fantasy - and it was deemed too good for the alliance, so once again the horde got it like they got the blood elves… the difference is, the blood elves’ map and zone for TBC was designed specifically for the horde, the nightborne was not, it was night elf story through and through, with not a trace of blood elves in the original telling.

Please tell me how a clearly night elven group sure only go horde, and don’t tell me they have more in common with the blood elves, that is just b/s… they are night elves, that automatically makes them have more in common with night elves, add to that the Highborne, the high elves, the incoming void elves the Draenei, the humans - and they have overwhelmingly more in common with the alliance and the Darnassians.

More in common is just an excuse horde fans use to try and justify the horde bias that led to the night elven sub-race going horde.

On the contrary it does… they’re not only related to elves, it is the city the night elves of the alliance faction come form too, this is where the majority of the resistance army that wins against the legion marches from, this is the city that forges Maiev into who she is, it’s where Illidan and Malfurion both grew up, Jarod, Tyrande are all form there.

The region is where the majority f the vents of the war of the Ancients trilogy, that is the night elf main lore trilogy is set, don’t tell me they have as much to do with the night elves as they have the blood elves. That’s just laughable… it’s like saying pre-wow blood elves had as much to do with the horde as they did the alliance - laughable.

At least be honest and admit that blizzard is showing us that it doesn’t give one iota of difference if you were tailored fit for the alliance and were x race through and through, they can take anyone they want over. They took Alteraac humans over ot the horde, they took Lordaeron humans in the undead state ot the horde, then they took blood elves to the horde, and then they took Nightborne - these are all from races that they put and built the alliance around When they decided what each faction will look like.

sure night elves were meant to be their own faction, so the Highborne, Nightborne, naga etc and all that lot woudl fall under the night elf faction but they took the night elves to the alliance in wow, so they are alliance atm.

This is not the response of a person who is miserable. It really is clear for all to see.

the only people in denial of horde bias in this situation are the horde fans, but their hypocrisy shows because you suggest the exact same thing that happened, but switch night elf for blood elf, and dress it up a beat, watch how up in arms they go, yet this is exactly what happened.

Well, yes - why would the Blood Elf fanbase want to go through the same as what Night Elves have been through? That makes no sense and the Blood Elf fanbase are absolutely right in telling you that they don’t want that story for their favourite race.

Night Elf fans don’t do good at selling this story and if you can’t get over that hurdle, how the hell do you expect Blood Elf fans to be on board. They’re not being hypocrites. They’re using common sense…something that is seriously lacking in the current climate.

We don’t need a repeat of BFA and I don’t think Midnight will be that repeat, despite Quel’Thalas going neutral. The response to what happened to the Night Elves and Forsaken was made quite clear - especially since the maps of Kalimdor and the EK never came into play, since the playerbase was so vocal about it.
Blood Elves shouldn’t go through the misery that Night Elves went through, just because night elf fans are crying. That’s a total lose-lose situation and makes sympathy for the night elves, none-existent and deservedly as well. I don’t deserve sympathy for the Shen’dralar if night elf fans are that hypocritical in demanding the same story of BFA - 3 expansions time, but it happens to Blood Elves because -reasons- and “ma feelings will be made better.”

It’s totally on night elf fans whom are the hypocrites in this scenario. 100% and nothing you say will change my mind. Hell, reasonable night elf fans would agree with me that such a scenario demand would make night elf fans the biggest hypocrites of the game and only the worst for that race would be warranted.

Nothing you’ve said has any factual evidence.

It’s promoting feelings over fact and that’s dangerous territory to go down because that’s when false accusations can start. Falsely accusing the Blood Elf fanbase of what your claiming is a dangerous route to take and that fanbase has every right to attack you for it.

let’s hope not

Totally agree on that.

And if I may add, I don’t see why the Blood elves must pay for what the Night elves went through. Like… what did they do (or their fanbase) to deserves this ? The race who must pay the most are the Forsaken and we paid. We lost Undercity and it still not recovered from now.

It’s quite silly, because their seems to be a lunatic fringe of the night elf fanbase who, through emotional talk, try and make out that it was the Blood Elf fanbase which created the story for BFA. Now unless the blood elf fanbase makes up one drunk (not kidding) writer, then that accusation is false.

BFA happened and it’s not at the fault of the Blood Elves or their fanbase. These few Night Elf fans need to stop that toxic rhetoric immediately.

Blood elves already suffered genocide and lost their leaders. Dunking them down again would make no sense. Stop being salty the lore is not our fault.

Hey Moontear. stay on MMO C please. No one cares your rants here.

Two wrongs don’t make a right, calm down, take a deep breath and a step back.

At one point (Not my proudest moment, in hindsight), i also wished for Quel’thalas to be covered in void-puke, as a sort of “See how you like it!”-moment, but i realized that i was just being petty, and quite frankly childish.

Yes, the Night elves (And fans) have been jerked around for 6 years, going from near-miss to failed attempt at a “Fist-pump moment”, and painted as being in the wrong for being angry, but what good would inflicting that misery on another race (And fanbase) do the Night elves? (I’m beginning to sound like the Blizz writers wrote my lines here)

The Night elves have an ending (Such as it is) to their meandering saga, and hopefully a break from the baleful gaze of the story-writers, it’s not perfect, but i’ll take it.

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You’ve lost me here man, unless you only consider having things in common meaning looking like then yeah sure the nightbourne have more in common with the night elf
but when you start looking at Suramar, how its leader went corrupt, how due to a lack of magical regulation from their well they started withering, the aesthetics of their cities, their struggle with their magic addiction

They have so much in common they could’ve outright replaced the blood elves in every single storybeat the blood elves would be involved in.

Also the whole night elven group, that’s your label for them, they were isolated for 10k years and very much became their own seperate group, they turned to the Legion before the bubble was ever taken down.

Ironically enough Tyrande was written to see it in this exact way you seem to approach it now and it was exactly why the nightbourne turned away, Tyrande saw them as pawns to throw against the legion, i.e. in a sense of ‘we already own them’ where Liadrin treated them like refugees and civilians needing military protection against their own corrupt leadership

As for horde bias, I will say this; I can imagine a world where void elves never existed and they added broken draenei from the tail end of Legion to the Horde and then the division woud’ve been:

Horde: Broken Draenei & Highmountain
Alliance: Yellow Draenei & Nightborne

Instead they decided to add void elves instead of broken draenei (the faction that unlocks the void elves are actual broken draenei go figure) for reasons who knows.

My personal guess is to toss a bone to the high elf community (who then collectively lost their mind that the void elves were not what they asked for) and adding 2 elf races to one faction in one single patch would be weird so nightbourne only had one way to go

Storybeat wise however it always seemed obvious that Tyrande was chasing them into the hordes arms

After all has been said and done tho, you can argue until the world ends about this; they are not going to shove around races between factions after their introduction, thats just a recipe for people quitting the game if they log on and suddenly their character no longer is in the faction they explicitely chose during character creation and have no way back

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Wait… Some night elf fans actually believe that blood elf players has some kind of power over Blizz about the night elf lore ? That’s insane.

I think we can assume that Blizz was afraid to add the high elves because they considerate them too similar to the blood elves… and they’re not wrong.

Stroybeats are designed to support the development direction you want to go.

In other words, if the nightborne went alliance, Tyrande would have been given very different lines to use. they don’t write the story and so, okay because Tyrande behaved this way, the nightborne are now going to go horde because it’s more likely based on her behaviour.

Revisiting what happened in the past

7.1 was modified did you know that? After a closer examination at the time, I pinpointed that the modification came after the meeting that finalised the Nightborne would go horde.

Did you know that the decision for allied races to be a game feature for 8.0 came after 7.0 was released and during the implementation phase of 7.1?

There were lines Elisande had to Tyrande that were removed. also Vereesa was the one giving the alliance world quests into Suramar, not Tyrande - Tyrande was swapped in after the decision was made and written to react that way.

When it comes to dealing with responses, at the end of the day it’s the writing team that determines, a much more accepting Tyrande woudl have been more plausible than a disgusted Tyrande, but a difficult Tyrande, which we got, was also plausible, and helps us understand why the nightborne eventually fall in with the horde. As we are progressively shown a more reluctant Darnassian kaldorei stance.

now compare that to 7.0 , where you have Farodin, and other night elves including the Moonguard, Nighteyes, and the refugees from Val’sharah all helping out the nightborne, they are sympathetic, understanding, regarding each other as kin - because the story beats for that was based on the original plan, which was to have the Nightborne completely wiped out, and the nightfallen were the ones who would survive and be restored to their kaldorei forms (not nightborne forms) with the healing Arcan’dor fruit.

That was the original trajectory. IT was the fan delight at the nightborne coupled with 8.0 introducing allied races that resulted in the change… and the ensuing decision for the Nightborne to go horde, seemed quite obviously a result of bias back then.

I’m not saying this out of any emotion, but the horde had ben favoured enormously traditionally in wow for the greater works in warcraft since TBc… the coolest stuff went horde first, then the alliance. blizzard always tried to make both factions have cool stuff, but the development mandate was for the horde to be built up and preferred.

Contrary to some fans’ feeling, this isn’t done because they hate the alliance or any such thing. it was done way back in TBC development to improve gameplay by having equal numbers - done by making the horde more attractive… not out of developmental (if not personal) hate for the alliance or the night elves.

obviously the ensuing result was a lot more neglect of alliance races, and less consideration for them, less development drives and favouring the horde with better things, in time the constant push caused most of the developers to fall in love with the horde too - I mean if you are constantly writing from a horde perspective, have a developmental mandate to continuously think horde so you make it’s story better and so more attractive so people keep paying - you’re going to end up loving it.

throwing the blood elves in also makes it easier, because now you have an attractive model for all your fantasy tropes and delights, and so it becomes easy just to switch wholesale, including your affection.

This is what happened, the developers in Warcraft are human and actually some decisions are made by consensus. Most of them play the game, and only a handful are involved with the lore so they are not impartial by any mans.

most who play also play on the horde, especially on the senior development team, when since WotLK the horde has been the dominant raiding and competitive gameplay faction both in terms of numbers and power/throughput (from racials).

Even now, the night elf restoration story feels weak and lacklustre, there is lacking motivation to make the race epic, they are content for it to be small and niche, they will not feel the same way about blood elves or other horde races, and will not feel he same way about the humans which they have been unofficially considering only as the alliance - which is why hardly any alliance race has got any serious development, yet humans have been in the fray constantly since the start - even if they played second fiddle to the horde - whereas, draenei, dwarf, night elf, gnome etc have not had anything interesting to write home about.

Legion seemed the first true departure from the horde dominance in the narrative when it focused in turn on the night elves who now at this point were considered alliance… but many of the broken isles zones were converted from night elven based to tauren, Vrykul and legion heavy , Thal’dranath was scrapped for Argus (legion) and even night elven priest arc for the broken shore was cut in favour of class order halls, Suramar was then repackaged for the horde - and the night elves proceeded to be exterminated and initially were quite ignored in the midst o the Sylvanas circuit.

All the first few responses from Danuser and Afrisiabi were all about fans questions about the horde, as if the night elf moans and cries meant nothing. night elves, having lost Suramar because the nightborne were made playable and made playable on the horde (which wasn’t necessary - you could have still had playable nightborne go exiled to Silvermoon, like void elves went to Stormwind, and the Nightfallen restored to night elves with the kaldorei moving in - that could have happened)

The point in this is they have shown they didn’t care enough… it was only when the alliance fans got really upset, with no responses from development team about the night elf treatment, followed by moving the night elves to Stormwind that looked like it would be their new capital, that the fans just had enough.

Darkshore was not the original second warfront either for BFA, it was switched to Darkshore because of the fan outcry, and it was a meaningless warfront - it was a pacify, they didn’t even delve into night elf lore to show the best way of showing them powerful, they used part of the cut Tyrande storyline of the night warrior was meant to be in Legion and used it then instead, didn’t delve into the night elves other skills and powers - and even the warfront is only known by the player base who read tweets that canonically the night elves won it because in game both factions play and take turns winning.

They cut Tyrande from Azshara in 8.2 citing that she had already shown up in 8.1, but she was not in the raid, nor was she in the warfront, only the opening night warrior quest - and that was it, meanwhile Jaina, who had starred in both 8.0 and 8.1 being the end boss of battle for Dazzar’alor was suddenly fit to face Azshara in Naz’jatar, where Prince Farondis, Malfruion, Tyrande, Mordant Evenshade - all people and an entire race with big bone to pick had their star characters ignored n favour of Genn Greymane who has nothing to do with the Naga and Jaina Proudmore who should have been injured and recovering with Mekkatorque.

I only point these things out to illustrate the level of bias and just not caring as much - to show there is a bias - or at the very least a lack of genuine passion when it comes.

you see when they are passionate about something or decide to focus on it, you get a much better production, (well mostly) even if you think the storyline is dumb, there is an excellent and superior effort in producing and supporting it accurately.

When they don’t, you can tell, this is not a major concern, but that one is, it is visible in the quality and in who you include, leave out, what you choose to remember or forget or why you picked it this way or not, these are all indicators that can help back up observations and direct communications from the developers that help you piece together a highly probable narrative of the situation.

It gets us where we are.

Look, our analysis of the past matter little now, it is purely observational and hindsight - whether it is true or not, neither of those matter, what matters more to the developers is how you feel about what they have done now.

whether you like it, or do not like it , and why you do not - not whether you think they are biased or not biased or they’ve been favouring this over that. Truly i don’t think they hate the alliance any more than the horde, , they’re developers, they work, and yes they can have favourites and do, and these are the subtle ways such favouritism can influence design and eventually what you see.

Individuals pushing their favourites at the expense of narrative cohesion… you can’t write the night elves are x, y, z and then show in game they are x-100, y-50, and z-2000 it’s inconsistent - because you want to push your favourite character… so you go to Naz’jatar, but you won’t use Tyrande , Malfurion but Jaina and Sylvanas instead - ignoring the connection and you may cite that people are more familiar with those, but then why? Tyrande and the night elves were extremely popular back in the day, they aren’t now simply because you keep pushing Sylvanas and Jaina at every turn , blood elves, humans, orcs etc and leaving night elves out - whereas you established them in certain places …

It looks weird for someone who comes from the beginning looking at your work and going, but hang on, what’s happening to these guys? surely they’d have had something to say the way you presented them.

it’s exactly the same with night elves and their civilization side, their arcane magic, their druidic power and female martial strength, their priestly magic etc, these things were shown to be powerful, night elves presented as being in isolation due to the long vigil task, so when you end it you need to show that finally their period of hiding is done, they’ve emerged, and they are the epic race you designed lore for them - off course they’ll build a city, start re-establishing themselves re-use their arcane magic you have now removed the very reason you gave for why they haven’t used it for so long - bearing in mind you are the one that put a period of abstinence to make your story interesting. the night elves did not have to have a 10k arcane abstinence gap, and blizzard proved it by introducing the Dire maul Highborne that didn’t have any hiatus, the story of the high elves that leave so they could end their hiatus (and so linking them to the night elves) and later re-introducing a pristine half of Suramar to show another night elf community that took no hiatus - not to mention Moonguard and

Right… their own separate group, still living the kaldorei life of the times in a kaldorei city. They are as much as separate group of night elves as the Shen’dralar or Moonguard in Suramar or Farondis or Dreamweaver druids are.

So night elves have so much in common they can replace blood elves in every story board - now you know where blood elves get all their magic stuff from.

But you forget night elves are nocturnal (and that is the main distinguishing factor), Elune centred and while similar you seem to be failing to perceive what is also very different and how.

Where do you think the blood elf addiction comes from? or the arcane affinity? or the graceful appearance? or love of nature? or the great skill with the bow in the forest that you see the Farstriders have?

Or do you forget that blood elves and night elves are just as similar to each other as Darkspear trolls and zandalari are - or maybe you were not aware - cos you didn’t know.

Well now you know… too long have fans like you felt that night elves and blood elves were a different species, nightborne were showing you what the novels had made plain right from their intro in WC3, they are both elves and have very many similarities.

Stop thinking of night elves as some different species. It’s like those white Europeeans that use to think black people were not human because they didn’t live in similar developed environments or worse, had never done (showing their ignoranec) and sadly still there are those amongst us who think that way. They don’t know the history, and they don’t care, they just want to feel superior.

And btw, it’s really weird when you start talking about the similarities of nightborne and blood elves and ignore the night elf component - when you are literally talking about a night elven faction, a sub-race group branch of the main race. to those who know the lore well, it is weird.