yeah, when u do the same damage as a dps u cannot also have insane cc
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Makes sense, but what if the game is played above 1400?
Disc damage is compensated by the lowest throughput amongst all other healers.
lets make all the same, just call spells differently ?
problem is, disc is designed for offensive cc win comps like jungle/rmp where u win or lose fast and u jsut want max dmg but now with suffle its harder to balance and think of stuff
Well, yes I guess, but the problem is Disc doesn’t really fit well. He doesn’t have any CC 
And unless the damage is completely busted, why would you pick this slow turret?
well the idea is u win or lose in 2 minutes so your very powerful cds like rapture/ps have 100% uptime for that game duration, after those are done its gg go next
This is why Disc can’t have a ton of CC - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF101eg-x7o
Games at around 2k rating probably (I found one at 2k, one at 2.2k, so it’s probably this range). You see him constantly ending games with DMG equal or just a bit under the DMG of actual DPS players. If you time some of his matches you can see he does
- 600k DMG in 4 secs, giving him 150k burst at that moment. During longer goes he can - 2mln DMG over 20 secs, giving him almost 100k sustained DPS
- 2.5mln DMG over 30secs, again almost 100k sustained DPS while chasing the enemy team.
And while he’s doing this DMG he is actually doing almost equal healing to other healers cause his DMG = Healing. It won’t work with every comp, cause you probably want someone who can survive long enough to allow you to go full DPS mode, but with say Arcane Mage he’s just going crazy.
Let me rephrase it: disc can’t have a ton of CC because in 2s he’s capable of doing some damage with cheese fulldps build on 2k. Makes sense, I guess. WELL, let’s leave disc absolutely unviable to play on higher ratings because of some guy wrecking noobs on 2k.
As I said, disc’s damage compensates it’s lack of throughput. And vice versa.
It’s not fair to be like
Disc can’t have high healing output - > because of it’s damage
Disc also can’t have AT LEAST mediocre CC - > because of it’s damage
Disc can’t have any mobility either - > because of it’s damage
etc etc.
Man, I can and I did more damage than two of dps on 1900 last night. This is because 1900 is like absolute garbage right now to be honest, it was completely different at the start of the season obviously. People literally don’t know they have certain abilities.
P.S. Sup Shadenox
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I watched the first 6 mins out of curiosity, in that timespan enemies interrupt his casts once. Interesting that there is no clip in which he gets interrupted on CD and incapped/stunned on every Reprimand.
Want to win Discs playing damage builds ? Kick/stun/micro CC their damage. As you pointed out their damage is also their healing. Do that, and they do nothing. It isn’t complicated. Rather than complain on forums.
Are we watching the same games? First match he gets silienced on holy so he switches to Mind blast, Dark Reprimand for shado penenace, to death, silience is over.
Second game he get horror into stun into stun into mind control.
Third game - stun into cyclone into root into kick another cyclone another cyclone
He probably is not getting interrupted on cast cause he’s playing with an Arcane mage that will deal 3x the dmg if left alone and in the first 6 mins they play only vs 1 melee all the rest are casters so they dont have kicks on a 15sec CD. Also you see the mage using silience and poly to stop ppl from landing CC on the Disci. Arena is 2v2 not 1v1.
And nobody is complaining about their current state, we are saying that giving them more CC will make them OP cause you wont be able to outplay them by stopping their DMG cause you are gonna be in constant CC if say the Disc is playing with a rogue or mage.
EDIT: Also these are not only 1400 rating games like somebody tried to say and not even 1900 rating games like again somebody tried to say. You see later in the video that these are 2200 - 2300 rating games. So it actually works in what 90%+ of ratings? Or is now 2300 rating a noob rating? Are we just gonna say noob rating for every rating? Also the video is from December, so we ain’t even talking about now after inflation kicked in, we are talking about the times where ppl were complaining that 2k+ is constantly playing vs pros.
A stupid move when Shadow is where the damage comes from, and where most of the healing comes from as you play these builds with a talent that makes Atonement heal more when triggered by Shadow spells.
His casts never get interrupted. People don’t lock him. They put everything on the Mage which is stupid.
Even when he plays WITH a Ret and AGAINST a Mage, he does not get CS’ed. And even if he plays with Arcane, you see how the games happen right. The Disc freecasts while the Mage kites forever ? You lose. So what is the solution ? Stop the Disc from freecasting because out of the two, it is the one that has the most impact when he is freecasting and the least when he’s not. Mages care way less than Discs about people annoying them. You can even see, in the game vs the DH on Mugambala he says at start “sh*t he’s going me”, but then the DH stupidly goes Mage instead (because people always think “MUST GO MAGE” but it is a missconception) so the Priest is free and wins the game. But he said that because, unlike you, he knows that if you play that sort of build as Disc and people train you, kick you on CD and stun/incap every cast they can, you simply die because you don’t heal anything.
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Omg. Okay, I will get baited for this.
First game: 1900 mmr, 1800 cr. Warrior 2k exp (shock, he’s like 0k tbh), same disc.
The mage is frost. Popping literally EVERY BUTTON, with a frost bomb.
Warrior has EVERYTHING, doesn’t use reflect on frost bomb even. PI is out for SEVEN seconds and enemy priest decides to not pop a thing and just sit Poly. Warrior presses DBTS on like 20% or something and enemy priest decided it’s perfect time to trinket. And instead of swap he’s PSing. Holy mother of God. I’m sorry, but this is just painful to watch. But I’ll try to overpower myself and go on.
MMarkers does 494k damage during 12 seconds of absolute freecast with PI and dark. He’s also dark rep and full dps specced. This results in 41k DPS. Stunning. While mage is like 90k WHILE also SOLO CCing. Nerf disc I guess.
2nd game:
Enemies are both 2k something capped. No way this game was 2.3k mmr. Disc is close to his ret on damage LITERALLY BECAUSE RET DOES NO DAMAGE, while mage is kiting him and this disc prefers to spam smite instead of taking double dispel and dispelling poor paladin.
Bro, there’s nothing to argue about. These are games against 2k capped people who have absolutely no clue. It looks flashy for you, because Youtubers want it to look like this.
Sorry, but I can’t watch this crap anymore
And look at the last two games where the mage was left alone for a few second, he suddenly goes from 0 DMG to doubling the Discs DMG with a double poly on the healer getting all CDs from the enemy team…
Stop it with what? What can a Warlock / Mage do to stop him from freecasting? You got a single kick / silience / stun and after that you gotta spam fear and poly which
MMARKERS lines perfectly or fades perfectly or deaths perfectly.
And the last two games the lock and ret tried to go him for a second and he didn’t even care, and while the mage was free to cast he doubled everyones DMG instantly.
Was it stupid? Now imagine if he doesnt go Mage and Mage gets a free triple poly and free Arcane Surge + PvE rotation into the DH, the game would end in the opener. There is a reason why in 2v2 Disci has a 30% death rate and mages a 70% death rate and the reason ain’t that everyone above 2100 just sucks at the game, the reason is a good mage left alone will oneshot you and CC your healer for ages.
We are talking about 2v2 mate… This ain’t a 3v3 Warrior + DK + Fist that can CC / kick you for ages. This is most often a caster + healer where both of them have 1 kick or no kick and 1 stun. And a good disci will los you, fade you and death your breakable CC.
Weird how when he was actually the kill target that didn’t happen. Also weird how the stats show Disci with a 30% death rate at 2100+. You must just be better than everyone else. Maybe you should have joined AWC and showed all those pros that all you gotta do to win all these games is go healer. lol
Counterspell comes to mind. See the issue is that you don’t know how the damage build of Disc works, beyond the fact that it deals damage. So you have no idea how to stop it. Disc casts Mind Blast, gets Schism. Disc uses Mindbender, gets Shadow Covenant. Next Penance becomes Shadow damage, hits harder, heals more through Atonement, consumes Dark Side procs. Kick that. Now the Disc ALREADY used his Mind Blast to get Schism, it is on CD. The Disc ALREADY used his pet to get SC. All of those modifiers are running now, and the Disc is locked on his best damage school and can only spam Smite. Penance comes back up, that’s when you stun, and voilà, Schism is over, SC is over, the Disc deals low damage, and low healing until those come back up (which is 20-30s depending), and by then guess what interrupts are ready again. So the Priest will still deal damage, but not really bursty (since you stop it) and the Smite spam doesn’t keep people alive as soon as Dampening rises up a tiny little bit. Vut of course if you go in there like a complete animal, kick the first Holy cast use your stuns on nothing and then give the Disc a complete freecast window with every modifier up it is painful. Every class, when left free with everything up, causes problems.
So the Disc can line Polymorph, but the enemy team who has Blinks & stuff can’t line the Disc during his Covenant + Schism windows ? I did not know only the team with the Disc was allowed to line important casts.
Triple Poly the RDruid ? Sounds like a skill issue. Also DHs have a spell called Reverse Magic for those sad moments.
Only a single DH has a kick, two stuns, one incap, one fear, one meta to immune a cast of his choosing and deny its benefits to the Priest, and then short CD stuff come back off CD. It is more than enough. Also in 2v2 dampening starts at 30% and ramps up immediately. Aids a Disc for a little while, and then woah, MAGIC, Atonement healing isn’t sufficient to heal through the damage.
Look, I know you are low rated and also very deluded, but there is a reason why in top100 in 2s it’s 10 Discs for … 18 RDruids. Disc can just be dampened, but you need to not play like a complete animal and use your stops ON HIS DAMAGE MODIFIERS. Of course when people randomly use their stuff with no reasoning whatsoever and then a Priest gets to freecast with literally evrtything up, it deals good damage. Who would have thought ! You know that even RDruids can actually do decent damage if they are completely ignored ?
At least better than a 1600 gamer like you at understanding basics of wow pvp, for sure.
Free one, that one.
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Literally eats and trinkets the most telegraphed poly in human history during first clip with ret 
I can’t, I just can’t.
Yeah he trinkets stuff on CD in a meme bracket where people let him actually freecast anything he so desires but that’s enough for our 1600 feral defender to cry about the clear opness of the Disc spec.
Crazy.
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Yeah and the Mage kills your whole Team cause you didn’t leave a single CC or kick or silience for him. Why didn’t you play in AWC if you are so amazing? Let me guess? Cause you’re an online loser that didn’t achieve anything in his life other than hitting 2k rating in WoW. You flexing rating on forums does not make you look cool mate, makes you look pathetic.
Was over 2200 when I wanted to, this season I didn’t even play any of the Druid specs for real. Don’t got full gear for any build. Even started playing Guardian soloshuffle. Cause I play for fun, you play to flex on forums cause you got nothing else going on in your life. Sad.
And youre under 10IQ cause I never said Disc is OP, I even said above that in my opinion Disc is ok. You just too dumb to read. All that flexing made your brain rot.
Adding another troll like being to my ignore list. If you don’t know how to even read I have nothing to talk to you about. Once you finish reading lessons send me a DM I might remove you from ignore.
Was never LOL. 
2024 reality: 1600 player teaches 3k+ player lessons. Just fascinating
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I did, if you wish to know. Two more wins to qualify, but we did knock out a pro team so it was a satisfying run anyway.
Do you have any more questions, mister Druid who doesn’t know the PvP part of the game ?
3500+ if you played for real confirmed. Sky is the limit. Rating is actually only a number, everyone is insane at the game nowadays.
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