Warlords of Draenor was an expansion revolving around Orcs, as Blizzard recently confirmed. Which Alliance race had an entire expansion dedicated to them?
And Yes, this is a rhetorical question.
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We need an expansion dedicated to Arctur.
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There already is an entrie franchise dedicated to him. It’s called Warhammer 40.000.
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I have been screaming this for years.
Tho you can change orc with horde.
Several world wars, thousents are dead, Million more are suffering.
All because blizzard wont allow anyone to put the horde in the ground where they belong.
I am a night elf fan and even i was offended how warlords of dreanor turned orc’s into bloodthirsty brute’s.
Before warlords of dreanor the bloodthirst could have been explaint by demon blood left over in the bloodstream.
Garrosh thirst for glory could be explaint by hero worship(and thrall forgetting to explain how his father was a mass murdering douchbag who for some reason is worshiped as a orc hero/rolemodel.)
But then came warlords of dreanor and nope.
Orc’s dont need any compulsion to commit warcrimes on a global scale.
And blizzard is so bias they just dont see it.
They dont see that all they are doing is make there favorite faction look like a karma houdinie.
Is it any wonder that alot of alliance fans just want to horde destroy simply because we know blizzard will never make them pay anything.
And no they never payed for SoO.
They already were, that’s the thing. They already slaughtered innocents based on nothing but a Shaman’s ramblings even before they drank the blood of a Pit Lord.
WoD didn’t change anything in that aspect. it just didn’t include the further corruption of the Orcs.
Sure, but there are war criminals walking aroudn in Orgrimmar right now who have suffered zero consequences for anything they’ve done, including one who’s just been released from the Stockades to help “reclaim” the Horde. It’s not even mentioned anymore. Two genocidal wars on two seperate planets and they’re treated like an embarassing teenage haircut.
“Honour, young heroes. No matter how dire the battle, never forsake it.”
“You mean like that time you killed all those kids and–”
“I WAS IN A VERY REBELLIOUS FORMATIVE PHASE OKAY GAWD LEAVE ME ALONE.”
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The genocide of the draenei is justified in both timelines because humans put orcs into interment camps
#justdinduthings
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I mean, you won’t get much argument from me, but we gotta remember they were all high on demon blood at this point. Further more, Saurfang speaks of honor exactly because he knows what one is without it. He lost his own honor, did he not?
Excuse me sir I think you forgot “Taurajo” and “Dalaran”.
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Taurajo is the biggest crime ever and Alliance players are not allowed to speak about it, it’s disrespectable. And Dalaran doesn’t count, because elves were misled by the evil tyrannical Alliance and attacked pure innocent green boys who were just looking for a new home. Quel’thalas still didn’t make an official apology for that, so according to orc law, the Purge of Dalaran and Splash’dorei were justified.
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He gave it up. Nobody forced him to drink the demon blood; he did it of his own free will.
I’m thinking in 8.2 we should have Jaina huff paint then AoE down all the Orgrimmar orphanages whilst off her box on Dulux Magnolia Sheen. Then she can feel bad about it afterwards and remind everyone not to forsake their honour in case they do a genocide. Then we’ll never speak of it again.
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While I agree orcs have it’s issues but they were deceived - Kil’Jaden took appearance of his fallen wife and told him that they are the threat to orcish existance.
Once they drank demon blood they became legion’s puppets.
I believe it could’ve been avoided if dranei were decent enough to warn orcs that demonic army is pursuing them - I guess orcs would demand them to leave but at least it wouldn’t be genocide orchestrated by Legion itself.
Orcs are brutish - they had to fight ogres for freedom the land they lived on was harsh and unforgiving and shaped them this way.
But it’s not like orcs can’t be noble and fight for good cause. In WoD we met frostwolves. And in Cata they also refused to aid forsaken.
We had characters like Drannosh, Nazgrim, Jorin, Rulkan, Gorgonna from Grizzly Hills, Kaz the shrieker, WC3 -Wotlk Thrall who were imo good reasonable characters that maintained orcish traits and who were not just brutes.
Up to Cata orcs were my second favorite race because they had redeeming qualities.
But recently the writing they get is hit/miss to me. Pity because what I adored in WoW was not artificial split for good and bad guys but simple two different factions, that had it’s principles and interests.
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They were deceived because Ner’zhul got visions about the Draenei being dangerous. Everything they did afterwards was their own choice - they decided to wage war against them in a brutal way, killing hunting parties and leaving the bodies to rot, something that was considered to be dishonourable, etc. I am generous, let’s say that everything that happened during Ner’zhul was the own choice of the Orcs, but they were properly deceived when Gul’dan installed his first Warlocks, since there was basically no way back after that.
That’s true, but the Frostwolves fought because they had no choice - Garad decided not to join the Iron Horde, and they were directly seen as enemies. Durotan, who inherited his fathers’ title, and he was left with no choice but to fight against the Iron Horde, since we already know he is bad at making important and controversial decisions.
My point is, Orcs can certainly be peaceful, but they are naive and are easily swayed by the most simplest deceptions. And they’re willing to go really far once they’ve crossed that threshold, including abandoning their concept of “honour”, something they cling so much to.
Infact they are so biased, any importance from them, playing a role in the overall plot disappeared for the Orcs after MoP killed off most of their characters and left them in an even more broken state. Infact, right now the Forsaken probally outnumber all the other living races of the Horde due to the constant body count from faction war expansions.
Yes it is. I have never seen another playerbase(MMO) demanding the enemy faction getting deleted, because of feelings or justice/feelings. This is an WoW only thing. If you would enter the Swtor forums, and create a thread about deleting the Sith Empire, unironically, because they have to pay for the sacking of Coruscant, the players would just laugh at you.
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Nobody is asking for Horde to be deleted.
Orcs were not first nor last ones that were deceived. And their ancestors are holy to orcs, just like naaru are holy to draenei and they don’t question them. Ner’zhul wasn’t originally evil guy - even his WoD version was symphatetic.
But I don’t think I can agree that orcs got scott free from their actions. It’s not just PTSD that they’ve got.
They lost their home, got put in interment camps and were used as slaves first by legion later by humans for gladiator amusement.
When Garrosh went rough Horde turned on against him and those that sided with him got slain.
Orcs currently aren’t in favourable spot. They don’t have any leading character role model since Saurfang has deflected, they have shortage of heroes and the new ones - Mag’har are clearly not familiar with this worlds affairs and are joining because they don’t have any option left.
Orcs have tendencies to go rough but they try to make some stuff right and correct their mistakes.
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You lost leaders.
We lost CITIES.
Big difference.
I would happy swap places with you.
You get to kill of our leaders and we get to burn down thunderbuff, that orc town in duratar and after you killed andiun and not so much as scratch stormwind you are going to give us the barens?
Deal?
Because the empire accauly loses and the story doesnt let people get away with warcrimes?
Nobody is asking for the deletion of the empire because the empire doesnt get to burn down several republic planets every week and gets away with it.
I loved playing my sith inqisitor.
Constantly trying to prevent the empire from killing itself with its stupidity.
Cant say the same for horde.
And since the start of wow they have started 2 world wars, destroyed entire cities and argueable nations while not so much as paying a single copper.
It would be like saying wwi german payed for the crimes of wwii germany.
Cities can be rebuilt over time, just like zones can be retaken(See the Darkshore) warfront. Characters however stay dead. And it’s characters who drive the story forward. Just take a look at the character cast of Legion up until Argus. You might see where I am going with this.
Headcanon, Whenever big cities are lost the balance alw kicks in. Undercity and Tirisfal/teldrassil etc.
Trying to give Arctur an heart attack mate?
I played enough Swtor with enough different characters so far to know, that the loss and win ratio there is even worse than in WoW for the good guys. Just some overseight how it went down when we enter the game, not even counting Makeb here:
starwars.wikia. com/wiki/ Great_ Galactic_ War
And the following cold war didn’t went much better.
We had this plot too actually. Making both Empire and Republic fight the renegade Empire from Malgus, only to reenter war with each other 5 minutes after. Seems like Blizzard took some inspiration here.
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This reeks of trolling, but I’ll leave a few notes before going to sleep:
What are you talking about? The first one led them to internment camps and the total destruction of their clan system. They became nomads and some ragtag remnants of a defined culture that Thrall had to put up together hastily in order to have them survive.
The second one is even more disingenuous, as we literally slaughter every single major clan on Draenor and only spare the few individuals that laid low, and the Frostwolves that were against the whole thing to begin with.
Yes, because prisoner mistreatment is a thing. One that has its most negative aspect accentuated when it’s done to a Warrior culture that glorifies dying honorably in battle.
If Forsaken mistreated or treated the human prisoners that prosecute them, and try to wipe their race, as slaves to be tortured constantly, people would criticise their portrayal and mindset.
Oh wait, they do.
That’s just plain wrong. As is the rest of the point.
No, it doesn’t. Currently it leans greatly towards the Forsaken kind of theme.
And the fact that you are able to pinpoint the fact that orcs aren’t the main race anymore, goes against your previous points about them being sheltered from the consequences of their acts.
Ah, I see you agree with Sylvanas. Shame the Alliance races won’t just drop dead before her and help the Horde achieve the peace this world needs so much.
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Nah, it’s justified because Draenei have proven time and time again that they’d turn willingly to the most chaotically evil cosmic energy they deem fit. Be that the Light, Fel, or Void.
At least orc need to be fooled first.
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