Yeah, that’s DS, so paladin uses DS to block your burst CDs, they still have LoH to save themselves if they need it if your burst cds are ready again before DS is, as well as their general bulk (plate armour, ability to self-heal, defensive cds like SoV or DP)
so yeah i’d say they do have decent survivability, DS is simply one facet of it and it’s a powerful one at that. Mage uses combution, pop DS, congrats their burst is now entirely negated whilst you still have yours.
Just reduce their damage with bubble on.
So sick and tired seeing paladin bubble and wings at the same time and do insane amount of damage while Being immune to everything.
Just reduce their damage in bubble or make so that they lose some % haste while with bubble.
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Alright, that makes sense to.
LoH is disabled on arenas.
Bop can be purged.
Selfless healer can be purged.
If they kick you in flash of light you get blocked of absolutely everything except crusader strike and BoJ.
Im talking about bfa of course, as talking about the meta of shadowlands is worthless as we are lv50.
In Shadowlands it looks much better with the empowered WoG’s.
You also have the shield that explodes on a 2mins cd that its worthless vs range and it is affected by dampening.
No, you dont stop any burst with that.
Mages have their bursts every 1.5 minutes with Vision of perfection.
They can negate your burst with ice block, polymorph, blink, temporal shield or even frost nova if you dont have freedom. (You should have it)
Oh, I forgot about db and cauteryze up to a point.
Okay, you’re now talking about a situation where you’re assuming a pocket purger and arena, that wasn’t context i’m talking about.
I said generally speaking, paladins have decent survivability when you look at their kit on average.
You can’t bring out “yeah but if purge” “yeah but if arena” as your counter, that’s akin to arguing that a car shouldn’t be called fast in general because if you drive it in the mud it barely moves.
Look at all the situations where a purger isn’t present (only 3 classes can purge) or where arena isn’t being played and tell me that paladins aren’t quite bulky.
No class is good at anything if you assume a hypothetical situation where a counter is always present every time it’s needed. In reality that’s not true.
You wouldn’t argue stealth is pointless because of spectral sight, because not everyone is playing a demon hunter are they? Same principle.
I’m gonna wait for lvl 60 to see how this turns out. But yeah, rets are one of the more annoying classes due to their survivability alone.
What does that have to do with anything. I’m not talking about mage defensive cooldowns or bulkiness, so i’m not sure why you are. Is this because i’m posting on a mage and you think i’m attacking your class?
i wouldn’t disagree with you that mages have decent survivability. And?
It is of course about this part in the OP’s post.
What is the context of this topic?
What pvp are you talking about if it is not arena?
1v1 is not balanced, wpvp is not balanced and ret is bad in rbg.
Im talking about 3v3 and 2v2. (2v2 is not balanced but ret works)
Mages, dhs, priests and shammys purge and they have a super high presence in bfa. Which 3v3 comps dont have at least one of those?
And as a rogue you can shadowstep sap the dh so he doesnt have time to get you out of stealth btw.
You literally mentioned mage in your post, thats why i talked about it
I’m talking about pvp in general, Be it world, bg, rbg or otherwise.
You can’t just excuse those that don’t apply according to you because you don’t think they’re relevant, OP didn’t frame their post within the context of arena, so it’s not unreasonable for me to assume they may have meant situations other than arena (as well as arena).
Whether you think anything outside of 2v2 arena or 3v3 arena is pointless pvp is irrelevant if that’s the situation the person is discussing, and we have no reason to assume that based on their post (given they mentioned LoH it’s actually obvious they didn’t mean arena) so no idea why you assumed arena being discussed is relevant at all.
OP: Paladins are super stronk in this situation (LOH mentioned) nerf pls
Me: Yeah they’re kinda meant to be in this situation
You: yeah but they’re not strong in arena tho
Totally irrelevant to what is being discussed.
i mentioned mage as an example of a burst cd one can block, i could easily have said hunter, druid, or rogue, it’s just the first class that came into my head. You then decide to go into discussing their defensive cds in some semi-analysis, which is irrelevant again. It was literally to offer a generalised example of “here’s a cd DS can block for example” where blocking the cd is effective (given combustion fuels a lot of fire mage pvp power) not to engage in some theorycrafting metagame of how a mage vs paladin matchup would look or to make some weird claim that paladins are OP versus mages.
So what is this post about? That paladins are annoying cause they can bubble hearthstone?
I absolutely agree if thats the case
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