You have Freedom? A long stun, heals, burst, bubble immunity and able to burst people down while immune to everything. So yeah.
You denying Paladins have great burst?
Im not denieng that, but Paladins are extremly easy outplayed. Thats the reason they need to use their DEF TOOLKIT as OFFENSIVE ABILITIES. Surely you can burst someone down luckily, but the better your opponents get the less likely it is.
Id recommend you to watch Pikachu on Twitch if you want to see a high rated Ret get mad while trying to even reach a target to kill.
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8 sec stun every minute compared to blind, sap, kidney etc.
Burst easily negable by vanish or running away and then nothing for the next 1.5 minute
Freedom that give us a mere 30% speed increase for 8 sec every 25, and only if talented.
Again, what are we talking about?
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Yeah I do get that Paladins mobility isn’t great. That’s one of your downfalls. But you have strong burst damage, great cleave damage, and ways to remove CC from yourself and others, and Ret heals are nice.
If you let them run away then? You can burst them down in one stun, assuming they don’t trinket it. Freedom is freedom, you prevent getting slowed giving you an advantage to chase. Like I said, you lack mobility but are strong everywhere else.
Why do you think Paladins are top represented in arena? Heck, quite a lot of Rets in top end 2s brackets.
Only problem with bubble (and paladin in general) is ineffable truth stacking giving you tons of abilities stupidly quickly.
But I mean, bfa is bfa :S
Ret aint even in the top 15 representation-wise and even less in the top brackets.
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There’s a Ret, rank 4 in 2v2 ladder… Holy Paladin rank 9. 2 Paladins in top 10 2v2.
Sry I thought we’re talking about Rets here, because HPals dont one shot people with their bubble on a regular basis. And for Rets the representation is extremly low.
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Like I said, Ret pally, rank 4.
Assuming they don’t trinket or use anything at all or run away or heal or anything that can negate 25 sec of burst (that also need ramp).
I think the last hyper beam you used was super effective but too tiring, sleep on this, it’s better.
1 Ret Pally =/= Representation.
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Which happens to be 4th, your point?
Of all the things to whine about right now, bubble isn’t one of them - except perhaps getting like 3 in a single game cos of IT but that isn’t what you’re complaining about
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I feel like this thread is going back and forth between ret pala and holy pala.
Ret pala bubble is kind of justified, considering outside of bubble they have their wall and nothing else. It’s on paper a super strong spec, but in reality it’s very cheesy and relies heavily on being able to oneshot or lose the game. Blessing of Wisdom is the only form of dampening they have as a secondary win condition. I believe Skillcapped rated ret as B-tier as well.
Holy paladin on the hand is a completely different story. It used to be you’d only see bubble used once per game, but IT screws the rules and you’ll never get through the amount of cooldowns holy pala has. Being given 7 major CDs, with some having 2 charges, is simply overkill, especially when there’s an open global CD reduction mechanic in the game.
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My point is, that you have no point nor are you able to make one. A Rank 4 Paladin has nothing to do with overall representation or representation in different brackets.
Go look up some statistics and dont just throw random words around.
I tend to rather mark this thread as mad 1.6 Rogue gets 1shotted by Ret palis and is mad instead of an actual discussion on why pala bubble is justified for Rets or not.
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Right. I didn’t write this thread because I was ‘mad’, I only stated how Paladins bubble is an advantage, mainly vs 2 DPS.
It is, but mainly in 2v2 and nobody cares about that bracket since 2008 or something.
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Lmao rogues have vanish, 100% dodge chance during evasion + much more defe cds,high mobility and high burst and also many other tricky things that no other class have.
Assassination rogues are classed S tier by skill capped even sub or outlaw are B tier.
And your stacking(or you was ) crit instead of vers and haste 
do you know that crit is nerfed 50% in pvp
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Can you not read that? I stacked crit for Mythic+
lol ret paladins are mid compared to other specs , if you lose vs ret paladins ,that means you’re bad , ret paladin buble has 5 min.Assassination rogues have vanish,kidneyshot,sap,evasion,sprint, and many other defe cds.I played vs ret paladins in arena and i won vs all the time , if u have no defe cds when they burst,you have just to run away.
Go l2p rogue and stack gushing wounds instead of infinite starts and for pvp enhan ur gear with versatility.
If you lose too much vs rogue and you are the best spec in the game now then idk what to say 
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