So back to, you’ve never played WotLK have you?
Just think about it, what’s more profitable ? Raid GDKP where you can bring 5-8 “buyers” or a 5 man dungeons where you can only bring 1 buyer ?
Ho, so you know how harder the Heroics + are gonna be ? Tell me please.
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Apparently you do, so why don’t you?
I just said that it’s harder to carry 5man dungeon than 25 raid.
But, nice try 
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Yes, I know. And it’s bollocks cause this is WotLK.
Which you’ve clearly never played.
You can do both … thats kinda the point … they just added even more rmt/gdkp incentive …
That GDKP group I was running with in TBC already had HC section for boosting, it didnt even have primary groups assigned to it, people just signed in when they were free and not ID locked and when buyer was found they would just hop in the game …
This is absolutely dumb
I love wrath babies tears. Especially those who don’t have the bare minimum of logic.
Yes, dungeons are easy as hell in WoTLK but if Heroics+ are punishing the room for mistake will be way lower than bringing 5 ungeared players in a 25 man raid.
And you mostly did them with the guild or specifc players as most HC were “bring the specific utility/class not the player”. WoTLK ones are less restrictive which also can lead to quicker burn through. Early on there will be high traffic there and much lower later on. Still consumables and some income can be a good incentive on some level.
Theres 99,9999% chance they will be absolute snooze fest, we have seen it absolutely everywhere, people dont want to do hard things, they want easy freebies …
But, IF
They are difficult …
You literally just opened new door for even more toxic gatekeeping and RMT trash …
Because its better loot then your average joe can get and it will not be accessible to average joe, so you can suddenly sell your HRs and your “services” …
The thing is if Heroic+ are punishing no one will run them, because it drops nothing of value for geared up pumpers and noobs will have no gear to pump through.
And if they’re just a slight increase in hp/dmg there is no point to them other than just devalue the raids.
All in all, a garbage change that serves only to fragment the playerbase even more without even having the RDF.
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The dungeon.
Only need to split gold with 4 others and is alot quicker to run.
are you clueless? You can just sell it to 1 person.
The dungeons, you have like what 12 dungeons when they add this change.
The group can be made of 4 people in phase BIS selling the “hard mode” dungeon to 1 player who pays 1-1.5k per run with all the loot going to him.
People only raid once a week, but they can do heroic dungeons everyday.
I seriously can’t believe I’m arguing with someone how dungeons are easier than raids to get going.
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Here we are. People trying to create things that won’t happen.
If Heroics + are easy or “not hard enought” → then no one will bother buying runs and it won’t be profitable enought to create a market here.
If they are hard then, yes, there are 12 dungeons but you’ll be able to bring only 1 buyer meaning you’ll have to sell gear to a way higher price which reduce the pool of potential buyers + dungeons provide less loot so you may end up with 0 gold because the only buyer’s pieces of gear didn’t drop.
Mate people are AFKing in AV because its the path of least resistance even with how easy tbc dungeons are.
People are gonna afk get carried in dungeons just like they already do in GDKPs because its the path of least resistance.
Ppl get boosted for Curve. Which is not hard to get yourself.
It doesn’t work like that…
You divide it by less players, so you can sell an item for 40k and get 10k each. In a 25 main raid that’d be atleast 240k for an item…
You ask a fee.
This is how every game boosts work.
Prediction with random numbers:
Selling … H+: 20k fee, Item 40k.
So they are garuanteed to get 20k.
People were literally selling MGT HC …
And if you look at it as a slightly harder HC which gives raid level items (+1 BiS for melees and mount) thats basically your heroic+
You dont need to be wizard, you can just look around …
No, you sell a dungeon run not the loot.
and that price will be between 1-1.5K.
People are already doing that in Karazhan “ticket runs” where you get 1 of each spec (healer/tank/dps) and they pay 2500 (it was 5k back in phase 3).
loot doesn’t have to drop.
Yep, People are already selling dungeon trinkets in TBC, People are gonna go all out on selling dungeon runs that they now drop raid gear.
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Dungeons drop raid gear.
Can’t believe we are even saying this in one sentence…
Buy a boost
Buy some gold
Buy items materials from AH from bots (basically giving the bots there money back)
The buy a raid boost and buy your tier set
Game over you won
Its just what alot of modern players want.
Blizz know this hence why bots and gold sellers have always been allowed
They should just cut out the pretense and midle men and just make wow pay to win which it basically is
Its a lot harder to sell a 5man dungeon then a 25man raid.
The effect of a single person is a lot more in a 5man dungeon so in order to sell boosts you need to be able to clean the place with 4 or less players.
For raids especially the earlier versions you can do them with 20 geared players easy to you can much easier sell them to 5 players.
Gold buying has been there from the start, because some people just dont have the time to farm enough gold to raid with. Consumes/repairs are pretty expensive especially in vanilla where people raided a lot more hours.