But they keep pushing Sylvanas in our faces! They only do it because she’s sexy and sex sells! And I know that because I find her sexy and I just can’t… stop… looking… cough Hmm what? Ow umm… I hate Sylvanas! Yeah. She bad.
Stupid sexy flanders.
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Lmao, you need way more likes for this post.
Lich Bolvar is exactly the kind of character who gets defeated by the main antagonist of a story to release much evil. He had “dethrone me as part of your evil plan” written all over him.
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Exactly…
That Sylvanas won over Lich Bolvar was expected the second one saw the introduction to the cinematic…
But he should at least have put up a fight.
They made Sylvanas waaaay too overpowered, and too overpowered characters are not very interesting or likeable.
Unless they make a joke about it like One Punch Man of course 
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The helmet is nothing without Ner’Zhul’s spirit within it, as long as the helmet survives Ner’Zhul’s spirit endures. That’s the whole premise of the armour. But I’m certain they’ll retcon the living life out of it come shadowlands.
Ner’Zhul is tied to the helmet. When he and Arthas fought of dominance, they did so over the control of Arthas’ body. When Arthas was defeated, the helmet was removed from his head, severing the connection between Ner’Zhul. Ner’Zhul IS the Lich King, if he was removed that easily, the scourge would fall apart.
Arthas was a Death Knight, then frozen in the throne for years fighting a battle against Ner’Zhul over dominance over the body of Arthas. Arthas was never the Lich King, he was a body controlled by Ner’Zhul. He didn’t have to learn anything, because Ner’Zhul already knew. The Lich King is Ner’Zhul, Bolvar was keeping him in check, just as Arthas was keeping him in check up until Ner’Zhul cast Arthas out, and the scourge invasion started which heralded the beginning of Wrath of the Lich King.
If anything, Bolvar is keeping the Lich King at bay, preventing him from releasing the scourge upon Azeroth. And with the crown - and essentially Ner’Zhul - gone, the scourge will once again invade Azeroth.
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Finally a reasonable conclusion.
I am gonna hide on echo islands, you seem to be up to speed already 
It wasn’t Bolvars objective to be powerful either, which is something keep people forgetting. He didn’t turn special beings like Sindragosa or anything. He was acting all shady during the DK campaign but he didn’t actively recruit powerful undead did he?
Plus while Sylvanas might’ve beaten him, the list of other character that could do the same is slim(not counting Titans etc).
I think I mentioned before that Bolvar-Lich King is like that one version of Nightmare from Soul Calibur that wasn’t actually the Nightmare. While obviously he had his own story and narrative, in the end, he was just there so the protagonists could thump “a big bad guy”. Simple there to make the protagonists look cool.
Would you be saying that Bolvar-Lich King is there, written to be beaten down easily, just so Sylvanas looks good?
He didn’t do anything, which is why he was not worthy of the crown to begin with.
So much this. Bolvar always was a placeholder.
Actually now he has a chance to do something. Invest into his story.
There were actually 3 ways to go with Bolvar.
Make him Evil and Make WotLK2 or kill defeat him and make someone else WotLK2. Both not really spectacular. Also both must end with another LK because Bolvar once said so. And 10 years later the same and we get WotLK3. Then 4, 5, 6…
Or destroy the crown and get something new.
I disagree. Bolvar is keeping the Scourge at bay he IS the Lich King. The Lich King is the master of the Scourge, controlling the potentially malign force they are. Whether a Lich King unleashes the Scourge as a force or evil or not is up to them.
Without a Lich King the scourge descend into mindless animal like creatures and act on their base onus which is to consume the living and spread their undeath. Arthas directed them towards that in a controlled manner, Bolvar is suppressing them.
There’s plenty of evidence that Ner’zhul is gone in game and in lore sources. I believe the original premise of the armour is that Ner’zhul was shackled to it in spirit. No indication that he cannot be removed or he “is” the helm. Like with all souls in its vicinity, when they were “removed” (from the helm by Arthas, and Arthas killed by us) their souls went into Frost Mourne, and then Deathlord banished them both for good when claiming the Blades of the Fallen Prince. This means both have now “moved on” and are presumably in the shadow lands somewhere.
The only clear recons of the Helm I see going on are its creation. We are apparently to meet the creator whom smithed it, original lore placed its creation at the hands of the Nathrezim so either there’s a Nathrezim whose chilling in Shadow lands who is gonna show us their smithing technique (seems wierd but with Lothraxion it wouldn’t be the first time their lore is extended in a non conventional manner, but that wouldn’t logically explain why the Nathrezim Smith was able to craft it in the shadow lands for the legions use and nobody in SL kicks up any fuss whatsoever), or the creator is gonna be someone different which means it’s officially been retconned.
I don’t believe Arthas even dons the armour of the Lich King. Just the helm. When the frozen tomb of Ner’zhul is shattered he just leaves the armour alone and it falls to the floor and is presumeably destroyed. Either way, even if he did Don it, with his death, its gone. As bolvar isn’t wearing it, so if Ner’zhul is still in it, he’s stuck in it somewhere and not as the Lich king.
He wasn’t untill he made pact with big red KJ.
What was so powerful of him? He was just overgrown teenager. without devotion to light and so far less light power than other bubblemen. Arthas power came from sword. You know general may have million soldiers at his command but personally he is no any stronger than random soldier. Same with “very powerful” Arthas he has big army and big sword, none of it was of his own origin.
What bothers me more is the fact that the Lich King is known to have an endless unrelenting army that never fatigues, never ends and can mow down the world with a snap of the Lich King’s fingers.
That’s how it’s always been.
The only reason players and Tirion were able to get inside ICC was because it was The Lich King’s plan ( Arthas ) to get the worlds strongest fighting force delivered to him so he can resurrect them.
Now, how the hell could Sylvannas bypass that whole massive army is the problem, and the fact that a miniature part of the army is shown and then suddenly it’s cut to a part where the army is dead is the problem and you could speculate something more happened in that part and we’ll see it son.
It also doesn’t make sense because, if we could deal with the army of the dead, why did we need a new lich king then? we could’ve just cleaned everything up and we’d be good to go.
Also if the new Lich King had the ability to control the undead, why didn’t he just command them to kill themselves or not move while the world cleaned them up?
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Bolvar had no Frostmourne.
He was also a prick with ulterior motives, rather than have the scourge cannibalise itself in a controlled destruction he increased their numbers.
Sylvanas was the hero here.
Last time she was hero was in w3.
The part where the scene skips and suddenly all the minions are down I’ll agree no question was straight up sh*t. I wanted to see that part too tbh.
But when she approaches the Citadel you can see some black smoke near her feet and the minions kinda look like they’re refraining from attacking her I took that as them being “afraid” rather than Bolvar telling them not to.
Like they could sense something about her that would tell them “don’t mess with her” or something 
It’s impossible that it was always like this because there was a time before the LK. Pretty much all the years before WC3:FT.
And there would have been an easy way out. Bolvar becomes LK orders all his scourge undead to one place, order them to kill each other and personally kill the last survivor. Then he commits suicide and the scourge is gone for good.
Bolvar was implemented as LK for just one reason, to kill him of later on and progress the story. He just put the undead story line on hold. He was an place holder, nothing more. Something he probably was used to since he did the same as regent of stormwind.
I don’t think mindless undead can be " afraid " or have that many feelings.
Else Saurfang the younger wouldn’t attack his father, or the undead woman wouldn’t kill her husband and eat him infront of Kel’thuzad.
That’s the whole undead schtick, they’re forced to serve and will throw themselves at anything at their masters command.
I think there is more to it than that.
I think it’s related to the lies one of the old gods whispers referenced.
I also think the undead didn’t attack Sylvannas at the start of the cinematic because she had some long thorough talk with Bolvar before the fight and this talk wasn’t shown.
Yeah it doesn’t really make sense but that’s just my first impression when I watched it. Just felt like something stopped them from doing it and it wasn’t Bolvar.
But since Sylvanas is powered by the Jailer who has control over souls that would make a bit of sense as to why.
/tinfoilhat
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