Update: Prayer of Healing - Anyone using this now since patch?

UPDATE: 25% increase in healing - Is anyone using it now?

I think this spell deserves its own discussion!

I know we’re not in the next season yet, but based on how it performs in Season 1, I see a simple solution:

Either:

  • Buff it significantly and give it a 15 - 30-second cooldown. Reduce mana cost and cast time slightly.
  • Buff it significantly, make it instant cast, and set a 30 sec to 1-minute cooldown. Reduce mana cost.
  • Remove it entirely.

I appreciate the effort to rework the Priest tree to encourage us to take Prayer of Healing, but I consistently perform better when investing in other talents.

Even Dispersing Light, when combined with other spells, outshines Prayer of Healing.

At this point, I’ve removed all my Prayer of Healing talents—it doesn’t even exist for me in it’s current state.

Anyone else feel the same, or do you think it’s fine as is?

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Yep, you don’t take prayer of healing even in raids anymore.

I tried several 10+ keys fully talented into PoH. Its only good effect is reducing HW: Sanctity somewhat quicker at the cost of making me oom very quickly.

Absolutely worthless ability, just like that entire “rework” they did.

It was expected the moment they announced changes, it was confirmed in PTR, it has been confirmed now with live release. I have no idea what is going in the heads of those who have done this no-touch-with-reality rework.

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I dont have PoH on my skill bar, nor spend any talent points on it… it’s super weak and has short range.

Maybe if they added a talent to make it work more like mistweavers Sheilun’s Gift

Atleast then it would be useful in mythic plus.

just buff it by 1000% and replace suckify with coh

bring back renew priest.- Renew used to be such a good spell it instantly healed a person and it refreshed on a person when you healed him. Bring back Hot’s priest. Remove Prayer of healing.

also make so renew gives Holys mastery again.

With the new rework, you can now play a Renew-centric Oracle. The healing output is way better than it seems. It is mana hungry, as renew builds always are, but you shouldn’t feel it in low keys - below +6.

You can swap Censure and Symbol of Hope for Divine Hymn talents if you want, honestly it doesn’t make a difference due to how weak all the three abilities are.

But renew healing is so little, it is hardly noticeable!

back in mop renew was really good.

Renew isn’t just about its healing, its presence procs Holy Mending whenever PoM jumps on an ally affected by it and it also increases all your other healing by 6%.

You also play Divine Star instead of Halo. If you keep Divine Star and Renew on cooldown, you can have Sanctify available about every 16 seconds.

The AoE damage in the current dungeon pool is in the form of high amount of low dmg ticks which makes PoM jump around all the time, proccing Answered Prayers frequently.

I’ve done +8 Workshop with this build without any issues, it still has steam to go further.

And for a bit of good news: https://www.wowhead.com/news/major-pve-and-pvp-class-tuning-on-march-25th-376031

The incoming class tuning will see buffs to Prayer of Mending, Divine Image, Renew and Oracle so literally the build I’ve posted. It’s gonna be even more powerful after the next reset.

Is it worth the GCD though?

This is from before they buffed stuff:

Holy mending heals only for 24k(on my 640 priest) when it jumps to someone with renew. Renew’s healing needs to be increased to make it worth pressing and that by numbers with 3 or 4 digits, not the double digits they’re doing now.

PoH also needs a 3 digit numbers buff, not double digits. We’re still going to triage with ST heals instead of casting PoH in group damage if they don’t do a triple digit buff to it. With the 25% buff to it, my PoH on my priest would heal for… 850k total on a 1.5 sec cast, like 170k per each person. Even with lightweaver included, it’s better to triage with ST heals and trail of light. It needs to be buffed to the point it can actually counteract the damage while it’s happening, not as a long catchup after it has happened. Likewise with sanctify, it needs a huge buff too or it needs to get recharged by flash heal/heal casts just like serenity because with that long CD it’s useless.

For the healing itself, no. The sole purpose of Empowered Renew is to reduce cooldown on Sanctify, same with Divine Star. You can’t cast either of these spells in the thick of AoE dmg but I haven’t experienced any moments when it would be a problem.

Even with Empowered Renew, Benediction and Lasting Words, Renew still does less overall healing than PW:S which I don’t have any talents in and rarely actively cast. The healing of it is absolutely pathetic.

PoH will likely remain unviable. Honestly, I’m pretty ok with that. I think it is a rather boring spell. If we compare it to let’s say a Resto Shaman, when you’re casting Chain Heal, you at least have to aim it at people with Riptide. PoH doesn’t have any such interaction. It could be replaced with something a bit more creative.

Then they might as well just remove it totally and lower the CD on sanctify to be equivalent to what it would be if you press that on CD instead of making us have to waste a talent point and a gcd on it to reduce it, repeatedly.

I don’t like this spell interaction aswell. Making us use two useless abilities to reduce the CD of one useful ability seems more like a bandaid solution than an actual design. But at the same time, I’m not a fan of PoH either.

Btw, good to see you back :saluting_face:

It would be nice if they turn oracle holy into something viable for m+. I got most of my 10s done as vw disc, and at this point I really start to dislike that spec

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25% increase.

Anyone using it now with success?

I still don’t use it as I don’t think just a flat 25% increase is enough.

It has been dead for years. So no one use it.

It’s not enough with even 100%. It’ll need something like 300%.

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We need some kind of empowered poh. Either through renew ticks, sanctify or pom jumps. That way we cant spam it, but we have a strong aoe heal every 30 seconds or so.

I tried out oracle disc today, and it made me sad looking at the state of holy. Spot healing was the one thing it had over discipline, and oracle does that better than holy every could.