I am not even sure what this all means.
Simply explained order numbers dont translate to all orders they ever had.
And the reason why.
3 million in a day just in tokens? Are you insane? On their best moment, WOW has just 12 million subscriptions worldwide and people who buy tokens with gold buy just one token per month for their subscription unless there is something new on the store, with 99% of days there is not. 3 million tokens a day implies 90 million subscriptions only with gold. Your numbers are clearly wrong. There are no 3 million token transactions a day, probably not even in a month.
Anyway as a software developer I could tell you that adjust the price automatically every hour with 3 million transactions is day is technically possible, that is just one query an hour on a database table with the last 125.000 transactions. Count the total number of buyers, and count the total number of sellers, and then have a formula to obtain the percentage increase or decrease based on the difference. Not a big deal even with your numbers. I am sure data warehouse professionals (that I am not) have seen metrics in databases many times more complicated than that.
I personally pre-ordered because it included 6 month subscription for 75€.
You invested money in Blizzard or what? The game is full with people so sales shouldn’t matter to players.
Why do you care about sales unless you are grumpy and trying to suck others into your misery by spreading negative implications?
3 million copies in day 1. How many of those have been bought with the token is unknown. 1%, 2%? 10%? Who knows, who cares. However, 1% is 30k copies. Each copy requires not just 1 token, requires 3 tokens from the numbers I have seen above. Now for 1% copies, is 90k tokens. Just the SL standard edition. Personally I bought with token the transmog and boost edition, the middle one, 4 tokens or so. I don’t care, because I have 2M gold, not enough to buy the mount but more than enough to pay the gaming time with it.
I don’t think they have sold just my 4 tokens in that day. I know that for many people 500k gold sounds a lot, but that is nothing when you actually play the game in pve and do some quests, some AH like 2-3 hours per day.
There is no reason to believe all the expansion purchases via token (or money) has been made on just one day, it was on the store since November 1, 2019, a year before the actual day 1. That is one effect of pre-purchases, it is hard to consider day 1 as such when it is a day that last one year. Suddenly that 30.000 copies a day becomes just 30.000 copies a year, wich is on average 82 copies a day, worldwide.
You still need 90k tokens at least, probably more, on top of the tokens that you need for subscription, on top of the tokens that you need for the people that are buying with tokens shop items (name changes, server transfer, pets, mounts) and all those tokens should have been bought with real money by a player. Otherwise, it’s a discount.
I personally just don’t belive a word of what Blizzard says about sub stuff since they refuse to release numbers and they refuse to even let the community get an accurate number of how many people are on their server. They keep breaking API stuff for pop websites and more and it’s sad, can’t see how many people play x race on each server and collect much data. Them putting out ‘WoW is in the best place ever!’ when I’m finding how unenjoyable the main game and Classic is amuses me.
I’d wager at least half of active players by now are bots. It’s like diablo 2 on bnet, bots everywhere. Spambots everywhere. Can go into premade group finder and report 75+ ads every day.
And we have it, with the way the token system has to incentivize those 90k tokens, with an increase of gold price that happens automatically when there are more people with gold that people with Euro, which in fact actually happened because back on November 1, 2019, the gold price dramatically increases due to more tokens that people like you bought and people like me bought tokens with Euro because suddenly the gold value was more than before.
And I said I because I was one of those people, I have bought about 5 tokens in the last year only on those peek moments, and 3 of those were on the day of the prepurchase started. So, if you bought 4 tokens with gold and I bought 5 tokens with Euros, so you can think it was me who bought your 4 tokens, I am sure my 5th token was from someone else and not from thin air, probably some mount from the store because it was not on the same day.
By the way you can’t count my tokens in the number of tokens that people buy monthly to purchase the subscription because I do not usually buy tokens with Euros, I only do it when the price increase due to new games, new prepurchases or new mounts or pets. So, my tokens are only part of those 90k additional tokens for the expansion, and the number of additional tokens for new mounts or pets.
Which means that Blizzard knows they got a lot of whales that play their game.
Also funny how this thread gained so much attention lol.
Is the other way around mate. You put 100 euro in store, and the store puts 5 tokens in AH. I am buying 4 of them and 1 is still available. Blizzard made 28 euro from the 4 tokens that I bought and is still on sale, another 7 euro possible for them. However, the profit is only 28 euro, because refunded in the bookings 4x13 = 52 euro, and another 20 euro is in pending.
But if 2 people want to buy 1 token in AH, then Blizzard is actually getting 100 euro in the store and is refunding in game 6x13=81 euro, so their profit is only 19 euro.
As long as the ratio of tokens bought in AH is 1.5 or what was the number calculated above for euro of the tokens in bought in store, the company is still making money, but not as many as you think.
Connect the dots. Hundreds of people laid off, multiboxers banned (they were buying many many tokens in AH, not in store), all metrics are designed to keep players logged in and subscribed as much as possible, less than 3M profiles on rio that scored worldwide for all 8.3, many of them being alts, no public numbers about subscriptions for years.
They’re always welcome to show real subscriber number and sales entirely instead of deluding the playerbase this way.
You forgot that people like me who buy tokens with Euros still need to spend additional Euros to buy those other things you just paid with gold. I bought 100 Euros in store for 5 tokens when shadowlands expansion was in prepurchase AND I also prepurchased Shadowlands Epic Edition at 75 Euros for myself. Your maths is taking into account as I only purchase your expansion and additional Blizzard profit from tokens, when I bought your expansion, Blizzard token profits and my expansion.
The discussion was only about the token and how much the token influences the sales.
Basically Blizzard sells 3M copies of the game. Some of those copies have been bought with tokens.
What 3 or 4 people said in this topic was that every single token bought in AH has been previously paid in store and there are no refunds.
What other people are saying, including me, is that the company can still make money even if there are less tokens paid with euro in store than purchased with gold from AH. I don’t know what is the breaking point for them, but they can afford to do less than 7 euro per token, and they can afford to do refunds from their business perspective.
So based on this, the number of sales is not necessary an indicator the business is doing well or that well. 3M copies doesn’t mean that in the bank Blizz got 3M x 50 euro per copy (50 euro is an example), they might have got less money after all refunds are done.
Any token bought with gold has been previously paying in the store, every time I have bought a token in the store and put it in the AH I have to wait until someone bought it with gold to receive my gold.
If there were more gold sellers than Euro buyers the token should have sold instantly.
If there were more Euro buyers than gold sellers the auction could take the maximum 48 hours to ends which means Blizzard has made gold out of the air for the token, with has never happened.
No instant auctions and no 48 hours auctions mean sellers and buyers are the same numbers.
I feel like letting bots run rampant to increase your player counts is something companies are just doing because the shareholders don’t care if people are botting the game just if they’re paying them money to do it.
I also feel like allowing ‘legal gold buying’ via tokens didn’t prevent botting in the least and instead only increased it just like we saw in Runescape.
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I never bought a token in the store with real money, but I never have been to AH and not find tokens available there.
Wich means there is temporally always more buyers (Euros) than sellers (gold) until someone like you use their gold to buy a token from someone like me.
I have also never need to wait those maximun 48 hours to sell a token, wich means every token I have sold comes from someone gold like yours.
I am sure in the hypotetical case there was no token Blizzard won’t let you spend your gold until someone spends Euros.
I am bit confused by the terminology you are using. I am the buyer, not the seller. I buy a token, the AH is the seller. You are also a buyer, you buy a token in the store for Euro. Are you also selling that token in AH?
remeber SL is a reskin of BFA noting els instead of inpower a heart amulet by collection Azarite power u collect soul ashes to inpower a legendery to level it up just like u did with the heart in bfa .
essense are now called soulbinds
acarite traites are named legendery effects now days
Visons are now called Thorgas …
same systems just diff names clearly a reskin of allready existing systems in bfa and u payed 50 euros for this ??