Any High Elf that still calls themselves “High” Elves are a disgrace to their own race. By calling themselves that, they’re completely ungrateful for the sacrifice that 90% of the High Elf race made defending their homeland. “Blood” is in tribute to those elves, and any elf from Quel’Thalas that continues to call themselves “High” can frankly get mauled and eaten by a ghoul.
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exactly! tells you alot about the people that want them so desperately too
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If we are to take a proper number, around 1400.
I believe 25,000 would be the RPG numbers.
At the end of the day, number does not matter anyway… otherwise blizzard would start having to consider logistics in all the wars in the game itself. All of the fighting would have resulted in both the Horde and Alliance having no soldiers tofight said wars… at all.
These are non-canon roleplaying sourcebook numbers.
Actual numbers are atleast around 1500 prior WotLK:
“Surviving high elves comprise a mere 1% of the original high elven population, with the blood elves accounting for the remaining 9% of it.
Since Kael’thas took 15% of the blood elves to Outland (i.e. 1.35% of the original high elf population), and since Kael’thas’ army numbered at least 2,000 it follows that the total high elf population is currently at least 1,481 (and at least ~148,000 prior to the Third War).” [Source WoWpedia: https://wow.gamepedia.com/High_elf]
Sorry but that’s kinda cocky.
I guess nearly no one denies that after the introduction of void elves as AR, there’s no reason regarding lore etc. why HE’s shouldn’t be a playable race.
The only reason why HE are problematic is the fact that they’ve still the same history and heritage as blood elves and are a carbon-copy of an existing race. You may wanna mention the pandaren with their political and social differences, but we know how good pandaren narrative plays out in game (spoiler alert it’s nonexistant).
That’s why I wanna ask you a few questions:
What does the HE’s as AR contribute to the story? Where lies their important role or plothook? In which direction could their story be extended, while still fitting the future narrative?
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You can actually answer all these question if you’re going through the plot they had the past expansions (minus WoD). They have been relevant all the time and supporting the Alliance.
Besides, two of the Windrunner sisters have been several times featured in either the audio dramas (it’s free and part of the Legion story, find it on YouTube), comics or within the given patch scenarios. It wouldn’t be that hard to fit them into the narrative because they have been always there. I think the youngest one had a plot going on which started in War Crimes and got solved with the comic.
Their last appearance was shortly before the Saurfang VS Sylvanas cgi video, they assisted the Alliance in their battle.
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Funny thing about Vereesa. Ever since WOTLK, her character moment have always only been about her opposition to Blood Elves and then also with her sisters where she is not at all important but her sisters are. In Stormrage she did nothing but being a damsel in distress.
WOTLK, Silver Covenant was created as an opposition to the Sunreavers, it was a reaction to Blood Elves.
Catalysm, she comes to Zul’aman at behest of Halduron so that we can hear her cry about: “Our home too, screw Lor’themar” etc etc. Related to Blood Elves.
Tides of war, her moment was her hunting down… you guessed it… a Blood Elf!
Mists of Pandaria… Vereesa fights Blood Elves.
War crimes - Sylvanas was the focus here, her response to Vereesa doing something… it was made to progress Sylvanas’ story, not have any developement in Vereesa.
Legion, she was involved with finding the Windrunner legendary weapon. Related to her family (and finding her more important sister!)
Insurrection… she did little more than trying to kill Rommath, when her High Elves was addressed by Elisande they were basically described the same way as the Blood Elves.
Argus, Vereesa sets up the future events for Alleria and Sylvanas.
Three Sisters comic… Sylvanas and Alleria are the stars here, Vereesa cries about Blood Elves.
BFA… Vereesa is there doing… giving quests, I guess?
Vereesa represents the High Elves well… as nothing.
I believe this is of course because Vereesa was introduced by an outside author at the time, who decided to create his own characters.
I agree to some level. But in the end, we can easily write the Silver Covenant into the story, give them some presence and so on. It wouldn’t even be this hard and it could lead to some good tension between the former belves (= velves) and helves.
We’ll have to wait and see.
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And that is what I fear will happen.
Because it should not. That would be detrimental to the Blood Elf storyline because that tension is so extremely one-sided, and between some very individual grudges.
The High Elves dislikes the Blood Elves to the extreme, the Blood Elves don’t care at worst, but it is more likely that they actually care for their lost brethren (High Elves)
Creating tension for the sake of giving the High Elves a story IS A DETRIMENT to the story we had with the Blood Elves, and a detriment to what the Blood Elves are.
And this is why I hate, and I almost find it insulting that the High Elves still exists and especially hate the idea that they should exist for any other reason but to define the Blood Elves. They shouldn’t. Never should, ever.
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I guess Savotar already answered pretty well why this is not enough.
The HE’s around Vereesa, mainly SC, serve a single purpose countering the blood elves if they play an important role in the story.
They could’ve done this with pandaren too, but never did. That’s why the whole pandaren story after MoP is just lackluster.
There is no reason for “tension” between helves and belfes you need to artificially create this “tension” or could simply go with a more interesting and lore-fitting narrative, void theme is knocking.
All I’m trying to say HE’s bring nothing to the table but artificially created tension, always opposing BE’s, which is pretty much nothing, because there could’ve been a better plot in place.
Edit:
I’ll ask a more specified question:
What can HE’s bring to the table that VE’s can’t?
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I agree. However, their story still goes on, especially in 8.3. Chen Stormstout is still a prominent character and I’m sure we will see more from them in the future. Same issue as with the gnomes/goblins. It took ages for them to get a proper story and here we are.
As I have described it above, story. But I’m no writer but it will be easy to include them. Point is, the helves are still represented in the overall Alliance-arc.
I hate millennial/zoomer speak but all I can think of is “Yikes!”
Umm, Blonde hair and blue eyes were really popular mid way through the last century? They …weren’t great people, they were like, massively far from great people, but then this did come from the US Forums and the US are currently…not great people en masse, they have a dictator with a stupid haircut, who is a racist, and believes in eugenics in fact…hang on, if he had a moustache that looked as ridiculous as his pretend hair…
Yeah, that’s a similar take…
Lor’themar Theron and Liadrin also leave, having brown and hazel eyes respectively.
Where have you been all week? You can play a High Elf on Alliance.
We don’t have to imagine it, you gave us a perfect example of it, whilst injecting spite, unpleasantness and obnoxious behaviour.
Those people are the reason High Elves will not be an Allied Race. They want to -seize- an Allied Race, and try to blackmail Blizzard into changing that race to be High Elves.
That is one of the most singularly petty, childish and destructive ideas ever, it shows an absolute lack of respect for other players, for the lore, and the development of the game. I utterly hope they not only fail, but are never given any credence or sense of credence again.
Have you considered the power of “Just Not”?
I mean when I see a PvP thread, I know it is going to be full of statistics and people backbiting each other, and nothing of any real importance. Same as when I see a thread about Mythic raiding, and League tables I know it is going to be about people who have absolutely zero importance to my game, Streamers, and people screaming about faction balance. All of which has zero impact on my game. I don’t care about that stuff, I care about the game. SO have you considered doing what I do, which is just not giving a damn about irrelevant things to the game you play, just like you could have done right now, by not clicking and posting…
You do not speak for the High Elf Community. You rather famously do not want High Elves. You want Silver Covenant. They are not the same thing. Why do you post here?
You are the -last- person to be able to ask people to do so, your attitude has been atrocious.
None.
My Draenei Vindicator did not wield the Ashbringer. He’s never even seen it. He also did not personally kill Onyxia, Illidan, Kil’jaeden, Kael’thas, Arthas Menethil, Deathwing, Gul’dan, Elisande, Archimonde, Argus, etc etc…Like, y’know, everyone else?
We didn’t do that? So like, our characters didn’t do that, that’s basic level stuff…
Except they are. That is the whole damned problem. They are asking for that. -You- might not be, but -They- are. And Paladin class, and -all- of the Blood Elf options, oh, and whilst we’re at it -And- Silvermoon as an Alliance City, because Alleria said so, oh, -AND- Warpaint because Alleria"
See why sometimes people don’t take this seriously? Because the High Elf fans themselves don’t take it seriously, so why on earth should anyone else?
Spiteful as it sounds, but when you have someone with -that- mentality on your side, you have to wonder about what allies you pick, because I see that statement, and I think "If someone with that attitude wants High Elves, I hope they never, ever happen, " So is Aldo speaking for Y’all, in calling everyone else mentally deficient, or do you disagree with him, and think they are being unpleasant for the sake of it?
You already play a Blood Elf. You play a ‘High Elf’ in their faction. That’s where 90% of them are. Problem? You do seem to have one.
No one ever set a number.
Void Elves are a -Squad- which does give a top level number, but not a number. Means they are a small unit, less than 100, more than 2, that’s it.
Magister Umbric is talking utter breeze when he talks of Void Elf Regiments, there are not enough Void Elves to form a Platoon, let alone a Company, let alone a Battalion, let alone a Regiment.
But then, Umbric rather famously is not the smartest tool in the box.
High Elves and Blood Elves are not becoming Void Elves. That is not stated anywhere apart from one Streamer who liked messing with RP realms. I do not regard them as a reliable source.
There are no more Void Elves, than were created at the time of the accident, until Blizz say so.
So rather emphatically -not- you then?
Don’t worry, you weren’t lazy, the person was just wrong. They plucked the number out of nowhere and ran with it. That is not an official figure at all, so can be safely disregarded.
More Aldo showing their nature, Its like a wildlife documentary at this stage…
And yet more.
What a very angry young person, I mean angry, impolite, aggressive, and utterly nonsensical. What a shame that years, centuries, millennia even, of human education should have ended up that way.
Oh well…
As have Ogres. Your lack of care for that does indeed show that you are not interested in parity of treatment. They absolutely should not make it sticky. The Last thread had excellent ideas, artwork, concepts, this just has you banging on about “I Wants Silver Covenant!” Whilst missing the point utterly, that High Elves are not simply the Silver Covenant.
So you don’t actually care about High Elves at all, you just want to play a Sectarian War Criminal?" Jaysis, I mean, I’m half Irish, so I am used to Sectarian violence, I grew up with it, did you seriously just say that your defining factor is not their species, but that they are a Sectarian hate cult?
Wow. High Elves to the next level… “I Wanna play a racist!”
For real? That’s what defines them?
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This is my question also.
It’s often said helf can “have narrative written for them”, this contradicts what posters say when they say helf play an important part in the alliance, because if that were true, they wouldn’t need a story written for them, they’d already have it, and we’d know it.
But at current, their narrative is pretty much being secondary antagonists to the belf storyline. That’s it. Now velf have arrived with their void thematics to contrast the sunwell (and the fact many of them are literally Silvermoon exiles) they are in a superior position to assume this mantle of being the belf enemy, and additionally they have the void narrative.
Magic is largely covered by humans, gnomes, draenei and nelf, and recently velf.
Rangers and such is largely covered by nelf.
Holy magic (let us humour the idea it was a helf niche) humans, draenei, LFD.
Point is held had their clear niche and narrative in the old Alliance. In the new Alliance they’re a bit lost. Their place is indistinct, and I refuse to believe covering old ground “but with pointed ears” is a good enough reason to separate them from Velf. Velf can do everything the Helf can plus some.
They’re an antique race that blizzard kept around despite their intentions to move them into a place where they’ll make more impact (horde) and some players just refuse to allow the alliance to change and forget them, and blizzard humour this for ?. Maybe it’s a “see, we do fan service” trick later as leaf said, but I just don’t see it as something they want to do. Rather they’re keeping it warm but in the meantime trying other methods to remove the issue (by having Helf and Velf join) and seem to be trying everything but putting Helf directly back in because I believe they simply don’t want to. They moved belf into horde for a reason.
At the moment it’s a “smash in case of emergency” to end the whittering if their other attempts fail. That’s how I see it. But I just have this feeling blizzard don’t want high elves in the alliance proper, it’s not what they want for the story, but they lack the balls to definitively end the conversation.
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What can I say, they have a cartoon president. 
I agree - but let’s turn the table around. For years they have been mocked, denied and belittled for playing one of the legacy races in the Alliance. Of course these people are taking the whole hand now and are absolutely resentful towards everyone.
But I also agree with some of their requests they have. Blond/white/black hair are a must for the Alliance-elf, otherwise it would be another compromise which will lead to another year-long debate. Removing the effect from the velf-trait is in my opinion also reasonable for the Alliance not getting their own voice overs, helf heritage armor, mounts and so on.
The original elf had no Paladin class, right? It’s very unlikely they will get then one as well. The warpaint is actually reasonable but they aren’t helves but belves at the moment, the rest however is just a wet dream which could become reality when the factions really got dissolved - and until then we all can agree to agree these Silvermoon City-requests. Blizzard has to acknowledge it so I can believe their half-baked attempt to stimulate the blue corner for myself.
Exactly. One counted them in the past in the starter zone and across Stormwind City, they are really are just a small number compared to the helves.
He just rides along the Alleria-train and has no actual meaning besides being a hostage all his life long. Just think about it, “Umbric” is even such a stupid and low effort name. He is totally forgettable. Isn’t he also one of the characters of the Alliance bfa table missions?
Yes, too many people forget this so easily.
Same story arc is possible with VE no need for HE.
Sorry but they don’t add anything to the table for now.
You can bring this to actual every race who aren’t in the spotlight in an expansion. I hope you’re aware of this, otherwise we can still discuss about abandoned or delayed race presences across the expansions.
You guys can’t seem to make up your god damn mind about High elves, for real. When we got void elfs, you where all talking smack about them anywhere and everywhere you could turn. Saying they where the race nobody asked for, That they had no lore behind them. that their reasoning for turning against the homeland made no sense, Yadayada… Now that Blizzard finally makes high elf a possibility you all suddenly commit a complete 180 and turn against anyone who has wanted a high elf since ever ago. It’s insane how much you worry about what other people shouldn’t be allowed to play as. instead of what should be.
If you want to hate somebody for this whole ordeal? Don’t point fingers at the players who have desired what blizzard’s been flunting in our faces for years now.
Back when tbc was announced, We all anticipated Blood elves would join the Alliance. (Draenei weren’t announced until later) And when they weren’t we all accepted it. Because it made sense from a lore perspective, Considering the events in wc3. Then for some magic reason, Blizzard decides to dingle the High elf race in our faces in wrath of the lich king. ‘‘Look here Alliance, this is what could of been. You will never get this’’ Like it’s borat or something. Seriously don’t act surprised that the desire for this addition to the game has been huge over the years, nor unreasonable either. But you shouldn’t blame us for wanting this addition to the game, When Blizzard has more or less been teasing us with it for years.
This could of all been avoided if Blizzard never flung around with High elves all these years as they have. Or even better yet, If they had just made the Void elf form a combat form like it is with Alleria to begin with. Same as with Worgen and their human and worgen form. But no… they just had to please you guys instead, You guys who don’t want high elves, And you’d rather be damned if you ever saw an Alliance player finally get their High elf fantasy.
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if all this whining is any indication of what HE players would be like its maybe a good thing it’ll never happen… bunch of babies honestly
for years you got nothing, now you get a finger and you immediately want the entire hand
should VE have been HE? yeah probably… but good god STOP WHINING ABOUT IT
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Have no idea who is whining here anymore tbh. Feels like an even 50/50 at this point
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Stop crying about my existence, I’m not gonna kill myself just so you can stop being a baby about me existing.
I know you purposefully missed the point just to try to have spite at me, and of course with some unimportant nuanced opinion as usual coming from you.
Paladins get the Ashbringer or whatever is the legendary and unique weapon of their spec or class if we talk about literally any other kind of character in the Legion storyline. There are just a finite amount of these in the lore of the game, and this singular amount has a numerical label to describe it’s singularity: -one-.
Also, the player character is and is not your character, these are two different entities, the -champion- is a faceless entity, your character is your character, easy to grasp and easy to understand. We both have been called Champion of Azeroth by Magni and many other canonical characters of the game, but there is one. I have been the one who threw the Azerite beam to N’Zoth, but oh wait, anyone who killed N’Zoth in any difficulty did, and everyone in these raid groups did at the same time. I don’t agree with this single player approach to the storyline, but it is what it is.
So, with this -fact- over the table, the idea of High elves not being numerous is just ridiculous and useless, given the other -fact- that is that we already have playable options that are not very numerous. The newest one: A Vulpera -caravan-.
It’s a simple fact and I don’t expect you to give any credit to anything I say because you have bad feelings towards me, but it just shows how any simple fact can be disregarded due to faulty arguing, how opinions change depending on who say something in this place and how little mindedness is given when facing certain individuals. Stop pretending you are critical about my person and what you talk about, you aren’t and this is the perfect example, make an attempt to be a bit more humble and drop that useless pedantic attitude.
I mean, I had to add unnecessary amounts of words just so you don’t go at it as if I missed something extra obvious, and also checked if you killed N’Zoth with this character and because you didn’t I didn’t said you did, because if I did, you would mention it as if I said something wrong and try to make appear that because you point at it, everything else I could have ever said is also wrong, when that would just have been off the point and extremely faulty/fallacious, you are pedantic, and that’s an actual toxic and unpleasant behavior in a forum, not every toxic attitudes are insults and bad manners, you are no one to act as some sort of apex of correction.
It’s not about winning or losing, it’s about asking for playable options that have been accord with the lore forever and some people needing to understand that because they don’t like something they don’t need to go after it as if the mere addition of it is some kind of danger to their livelihoods.
First of all… ‘Would be like’? High elves are here, and people are asking for a more complete iteration of them.
Maybe you should find a more fulfilling hobby and stop being an obnoxious antagonizer who has the sole purpose to try to deny things to people as if your life depends on it.
Do you have someone pointing a gun at your head to do this? Do you need help from the authorities? Send a signal if you do, a subtle clown emote would suffice.
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