#Quel’dorei2025 💙

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It was mentioned multiple times that the Void Elves are not recruiting, how ever, that any Blood or High Elves out there looking at joining them are free to openingly join them. We know that part is canon lore. As for how many have joined them, we do not fully know.

As for the High Elf Wayfarers, and this part is just speculation, not lore, maybe they have gone and adopted the name of Void Elves. Though don’t fully know so can’t say much of them.

But the fact is, while people have been requesting for them, Blizzard has always stuck by the stance, even at the peak of the High Elf debate long before the Void Elves were added, Blizzard has always held the same stance. Then they added Void Elves, yes, people still requested, but some of the High Elf community moved on. Then they added Customizations in Shadowlands in form of Normal Skin tones and more hair colours in 9.1.5, and the vast majority of the High Elf community fully moved on, myself included.

Because the stance is clear: Blizzard does not want to go down that route. As for what reason as to why, all I know is that because Blood Elves are already playable, but maybe there is more to the stance than what we’re really being told. But the point is, Blizzard has already made there stance, and they have offered a way to compromise with the Void Elves, and when customizations were added, people ended up stopped, and moved on, making people happy at the same time.

Because truthfully, they are going to go down the route when the Blood Elves are on Horde. Which is why customizations are a better option to continue requesting, which a lot of us would advocate for. As for Class/race restrictions, don’t know why Blizzard has stopped with Warlocks, but I hope they also include other classers soon.

As I said, the better option to go after is customizations, because it is clear what Blizzard is doing, and continuing pushing for High Elves isn’t getting us anywhere anymore.

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Mate, Alliance has been around for a few decades, not thousands of years xD

Also, “all about the light”? Humans maybe. But certainly not gnomes (gnomes had access to warlocks long before they were given priests). And when Khadgar suggested a connection between Elune and a Naaru, Tyrande got offended. No my friend - the Alliance hasn’t been “all about the light”.

Again, the Alliance (if we consider the modern Alliance a successor to Alliance of Lordaeron) is few decades old. And if You refer to the war with the Amani - this was one conflict, not constant fighting for thousands of years. Don’t exaggerate it’s implications.

Night Elves have fought side by side with Orcs during the legion invasion, but that didn’t make them the best of friends in a long run. Similar with High Elves - after the war with the Amani Humans and High Elves went their separate ways. And when the Humans needed the Elves again, they didn’t want to join the war, and only confronted with their oath reluctantly decided to send a token force.

Don’t try to picture High Elves as loyal, core members of the Alliance, because lorewise they’re not. They’re isolationists, only seeking allies when the war comes to their own doorstep.

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Sadly, the High Elves players have their own head-canon of how High Elves are. Unlike the Blood Elves, they are Loyal and Loving and would never hurt another living creature. But somehow the second they became Blood Elves, all their suppressed evil and cruelty somehow surfaced.

High Elf players don’t actually want Warcraft High Elves, they want Generic Low-Fantasy LOTR Elves.

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Missed a few comments of your fanfiction, so let me correct them:

I mean, you could try and claim that, but in all truthfullness, Blizzard has actually catered to both factions fairly from Vanilla until the end of Wrath, and it was around Cata actually where Blizzard has caved into more of the Alliance side, especially the story. So to call it all “Horde bias” is utterly, and entirely false.

The Alliance of Stormwind didn’t form until 10 years after the Dark Portal opened.
The Alliance of Lordaeron didn’t form until the Second War.
And the Grand Alliance (or as we know it as The Alliance) didn’t form until the Third War.

And it has been approx around 40+ years since the opening of the Dark Portal. So, no, the Alliance hasn’t even existed for that long.

And Humans started using the light during the Troll Wars. But also note, during the Troll Wars, humans were in tribes. There wasn’t any Alliance during the Troll Wars.

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This is the toxic part of the High Elf debate, on full display.

If all you want is to have everything that Blood Elves have then your NOT a High Elf supporter

This is NOT going to happen. Blizzard will never delete a race from a playable faction and move it to the opposite faction. That’s toxic on the part of the fake High Elf fans.

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Wondering if this constitutes self-imposed Darwinism. I suppose not, since OP is still posting.

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Good news! Keith Riley, a senior quest designer answered a question about the High Elves. He says that “at the very least” they’ll have an appearance.

I can’t link it

Granted, it could just be a small questline or they’ll simply be more NPCs dotted around, but it’s still more proof that Blizzard and the WoW team hasn’t forgotten about them, and that they’re still around and still relevant.

(https://x.com/Boogily_Woogily/status/1963822855529075108)

EDIT: I’m trying to do the link, even with the advice Irisi has given but I still can’t do it. Maybe my TL isn’t high enough?

EDIT: Got it to work. I wonder if this isn’t against the rules?

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You can link anything using the option
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Like this

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If they don’t add High Elves for the Alliance in patch 12.2, it will be Midnight’s worst mistake :neutral_face:

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:elf:

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We can only hope, but at least it’s a sign that High Elves aren’t forgotten. If Blizzard really wanted us to forget about them and “erase” them (i.e.: absorb them into the Blood Elves and Void Elves), they wouldn’t be making more and more new NPCs

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Wait, does that actually work?
https://www.Blizzard.com

Edit: Huh, interesting.

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Some brave soul on X asked Keith about a High Elf AR.

[https://x.com/Boogily_Woogily/status/1964561065167233277]

It’s not a yes, but it’s not a no, either. It certainly wasn’t Ion’s “we have no plans to add high elves” answer back in 2018, so there’s some reason to be (cautiously) optimistic

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Honestly, listening to that entire speech again made me cringe real hard…it is blatantly obvious that Ion wanted Blood Elves to be a very Horde exclusive thing, so much so that he stated that if people play Alliance and love the Alliance, they should play Horde instead. He even stated he expected to get a lot of hatemail for this. Like, dude. You literally gave a mental slap to Alliance players and told them to just play Horde if they want a piece of a good looking elf…

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Girl, stop using Internet Explorer. You are like a decade late. We have tall good looking elves on the Alliance.

Heads up—Columbus discovered America!!! You might wanna note that down too.

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I admire the optimism, but this is really grasping at straws. You could ask any WoW related question, and this answer will fit: Are we going to see the return of Jailer? Is Dreadlord Jaina going to be confirmed? Are we going to see Vulpera become the War chief of the Horde? His answer would fit any of these.

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Well, someone did ask him if Sethrak were going to be in the game and the answer was just a zipped lip emoji.

Like you said, I could be reading too much into it, but he took the time to answer this high elf supporter’s question and was encouraging.

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Well OP you are certainly not a high elf, but you make a pretty good troll.
:dracthyr_uwu:

Welcome home high elves, now start digging, those dungeons are somewhere below the ruins I am sure of it. :dracthyr_hehe_animated:

:dracthyr_no1: :dracthyr_comfy_sip:
But he did bring it to the attention of the of European kings, alas nobody really cared about his “discovery” until way after the fact.
At least use a histoically accurate fact when you wanna call someone slow.

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You are reading too much into it. ‘Not ruling out future content’ is the default answer on everything because they don’t want someone digging out an answer where they said no on something and using it against them in future. If they ever said no again in future, people would then say ‘aha! you said No on X, so No doesn’t really mean no’.

Common sense alone dictates how unlikely this is.

1.) They didn’t announce High Elves for Midnight, which was pretty much a ‘now or never’ moment. If not Midnight, then when?

2.) They clearly value keeping Blood Elves a distinct part of the Horde. And despite protestations to the contrary, yes, Blood Elves ARE High Elves.

3.) Void Elves are not High Elves but they are also the allied race that is closest to it’s parent race, a clear attempt to thread the needle. As a compromise they probably work for the vast majority. They are also highly unlikely to give the Alliance TWO thalssian elves, whilst the Horde has only one.

The reality is that this argument died the moment they introduced Void Elves. Proponents point to the sheer length of time they’ve been arguing as a virtue creating a strange circular logic…the length of time we have been arguing is proof of the strength of our desire and surely at some point Blizzard is going to listen.

Never once is it factored in that Blizzard has implicitly said no by not acceding to the request and seems to be quite content with the Void Elf compromise.

I hold out hope that Midnight will provide a lore ending for this debate, a way for Alliance High Elves to exit the stage gracefully. The logical way for this to occur is to acknowledge the destruction of Dalaran and for the remaining High Elves to seek to go home, with atonement and mention of the purge. After all, storywise, there really cannot be many left with the destruction of both Theramore and Dalaran.

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“Now or never”. Well, World of Warcraft has been around for 20 years.

Lots of people (myself included) said they’d never introduce legacy servers. Classic was announced in 2017 and released in 2018

Lots of people said they’d never introduce Demon Hunters. They were announced at Legion.

Lots of people said that housing would never happen, especially after the introduction of the Garrison in WoD. Now, housing is not only in midnight, but has been a massive improvement over the Garrison

Lots of people said they’d never do another neutral race after Pandaren. Now the Dracthyr, Earthen, and Haranir exist.

As the tweet said, cross faction play was unimaginable, and now it’s normal and flourishing. Blizzard never says never.

High Elves didn’t get announced at the reveal, but you what else didn’t get announced at the reveal of other expansions? Draenei. Blood Elf Paladins. Augmentation Evokers. The list goes on, and even if High Elves don’t get their day (or night) in Midnight, they may have theirs in TLT or beyond. The Haranir didn’t get their day in TWW and now they’re in Midnight.

The Blood Elves are a horde race. I never argued against that, and I’m happy that the Horde finally has an expansion where one of their races are in focus (that isn’t orcs).

a way for Alliance High Elves to exit the stage gracefully

As long as they continue to exist, people will still ask for them. There’s only two ways this debate ends.

  1. Some awful tragic event happens and the high elves all get wiped out, leaving only Blood Elves and Void Elves as the existing thalassian race (or… the High Elves all get absorbed into those races)

  2. High Elves are introduced as an AR. Or, perhaps more realistically, the Void Elves have an unlockable option for High Elf customisations and can play classes that people want their “high elf” to play (paladins, shamans, etc)

Okay, maybe three.

  1. the Game dies.

Like I said, if Blizzard wanted us to see The Quel’dorei as a bygone part of the game, they wouldn’t keep introducing more NPCs and involving them in the story.

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