Quel'dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race

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I don't mind half elves either, as long as they are different enough from belfs.
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17/05/2018 22:20Posted by Wolfblood
Can we get a ban on this guy already, this is just spam now.


Wrong. Making a new thread when the old one caps is within forum guidelines.

17/05/2018 22:20Posted by Wolfblood
Not to meantion harmful implications on the game.


Sources. And please, something more than your personal opinions or theories.

17/05/2018 21:38Posted by Museki
You're asking for High elves, not half elves?

It's even in the title lol


Reverse it sweetheart.

I want Half-Elves, not High Elves. But I wouldn't mind High Elves if they became playable. I can follow the discussion even if I don't have a horse in the race.

Just look at Moritz. He's against playable High Elves, but he's still capable of discussing the subject matter.
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17/05/2018 22:04Posted by Voruil
I am glad this discussion is still going on and we have a lot of people wishing that highelves will get a thing for the alliance.

The game is made by the developer AND the community. Especially nowadays where the dev-com communication in a lot of sections gets more tight and tight. Therefore I think it would be absolutely necessary to not just say A after B (Ions comments) but realize that A was wrong!

I know Blizz has alot of very good story writers. They can make a really big story out of the join of the high elves. They made even more at first stupid things very epic. Think of Mop. A whole addon about pandas? and look what they made out of it.

Please Blizz make it happen!

To be fair the game is made solely by the creators and not the community.
The community can give ideas but its up to them to decide to listen or not.
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17/05/2018 22:25Posted by CrĂ°w
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/Dulafen/media/cGF0aDovSGlnaF9FbGZfU2tpbl9Ub25lIHYxLnBuZw==/?ref=

http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/Dulafen/media/cGF0aDovU2lsdmVyX0NvdmVuYW50IHYxLmpwZw==/?ref=

I'm sure someone put a lot of work into these but they are the most ugly things I have ever seen.
But if High Elf people like them then I am all for those versions being added.
It in no way steps on the blood elves toes because blood elves get to remain the pretty elves :P

Edit: seriously though. Those are nothing like blood elves so doesnt really blur lines at all.
I would never play one of those but it leaves the faction divide basically untouched.
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17/05/2018 22:28Posted by Moritz
17/05/2018 22:25Posted by CrĂ°w
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/Dulafen/media/cGF0aDovSGlnaF9FbGZfU2tpbl9Ub25lIHYxLnBuZw==/?ref=

http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/Dulafen/media/cGF0aDovU2lsdmVyX0NvdmVuYW50IHYxLmpwZw==/?ref=

I'm sure someone put a lot of work into these but they are the most ugly things I have ever seen.
But if High Elf people like them then I am all for those versions being added.
It in no way steps on the blood elves toes because blood elves get to remain the pretty elves :P

Edit: seriously though. Those are nothing like blood elves so doesnt really blur lines at all.
I would never play one of those but it leaves the faction divide basically untouched.


these a more here for giving people a bigger picture on changing things as many people seem to not really grasp how you can change something but also keep it the same feel, I've updated with more if you would like to see.
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17/05/2018 21:59Posted by Итилион
So, while there are some people that want just the same model with blue eyes, there are others that feel like the fantasy can be fulfilled with a different model as well.


I am one one those that think the high elves should have the blood elf model, and thats because WoW is a game with very little body variety, which makes blizzard have to explain why someone specific has biffered bodies on average, even though in reality there doesn't have to be any biological difference between a fat guy and a skinny guy. In wow it's not like that though. Take the kul'tirans for example, they had to give a reason as to why they're so big, a biological one because if not it would be extremely weird and kind of world disconnecting to see because there wouldn't be any reason as to why these people that should technically be the same as these other people are so visually different. Why is that? Well that is because the models represent the average, so when the average of something is physically different there has to be a reason for it or els it doesn't really make any sense which is bad for the world in writing.

So this is where the issue with the high elves comes in. They have only been seperated for 11 years, so they shouldn't physically be any different to blood elves because it's not possible for evolution to do anything in that time.

Thats whats so good about the allied race system however. The rules of who can and can't be an allied race are arbitrary beyond story and model support. Who says the high elves have to have a different model to be an allied race? Thats nonsense, they could be identical and still quality, really. Who said they cant? It is just the visuals after all.
If blizzard issues with the high elves were their culture then they obviously wouldn't have added void elves because their culture is exactly the same as the blood elves.
So I think it's wrong that the allied race system is so visually restricting. The void elves have showed us that visuals come over any other reason, which I think is a huge mistake.
Painting a race blue should not make them mroe qualified to be an allied race. I think that would turn the system into a clown fiesta.
I feel like I've rambled enough haha.

17/05/2018 22:04Posted by Voruil
I am glad this discussion is still going on and we have a lot of people wishing that highelves will get a thing for the alliance.

The game is made by the developer AND the community. Especially nowadays where the dev-com communication in a lot of sections gets more tight and tight. Therefore I think it would be absolutely necessary to not just say A after B (Ions comments) but realize that A was wrong!

I know Blizz has alot of very good story writers. They can make a really big story out of the join of the high elves. They made even more at first stupid things very epic. Think of Mop. A whole addon about pandas? and look what they made out of it.

Please Blizz make it happen!


Couldn't agree more.
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17/05/2018 22:26Posted by Alyssa
17/05/2018 22:20Posted by Wolfblood
Can we get a ban on this guy already, this is just spam now.


Wrong. Making a new thread when the old one caps is within forum guidelines.

17/05/2018 22:20Posted by Wolfblood
Not to meantion harmful implications on the game.


Sources. And please, something more than your personal opinions or theories.

17/05/2018 21:38Posted by Museki
You're asking for High elves, not half elves?

It's even in the title lol


Reverse it sweetheart.

I want Half-Elves, not High Elves. But I wouldn't mind High Elves if they became playable. I can follow the discussion even if I don't have a horse in the race.

Just look at Moritz. He's against playable High Elves, but he's still capable of discussing the subject matter.


This whole thing is just one big opinion.
All this comes from is “We are all still salty that Horde got bloodelves 9 years ago, when we should have got that model instead’ QQ
Pathetic really...
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17/05/2018 22:35Posted by Wolfblood
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Wrong. Making a new thread when the old one caps is within forum guidelines.

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Sources. And please, something more than your personal opinions or theories.

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Reverse it sweetheart.

I want Half-Elves, not High Elves. But I wouldn't mind High Elves if they became playable. I can follow the discussion even if I don't have a horse in the race.

Just look at Moritz. He's against playable High Elves, but he's still capable of discussing the subject matter.


This whole thing is just one big opinion.
All this comes from is “We are all still salty that Horde got bloodelves 9 years ago, when we should have got that model instead’ QQ
Pathetic really...


You couldn't be more wrong I play both horde and Alliance and main my Blood elf on the horde side with my guild who have both alliance and horde guilds as we sometimes like to actually clear the game on the other faction once we have finished the alliance or horde side depending what we pick at that moment in time, I just think a larger variety for the customers is a god send and should always be promoted over being shackled to a select few.

I would also like to advise I was once one of the people who wouldn't have dreamed commenting about high elves because of backlash and I've bite the bullet and done it so you'll find there are many silent supporters also.
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17/05/2018 22:33Posted by CrĂ°w
17/05/2018 22:28Posted by Moritz
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I'm sure someone put a lot of work into these but they are the most ugly things I have ever seen.
But if High Elf people like them then I am all for those versions being added.
It in no way steps on the blood elves toes because blood elves get to remain the pretty elves :P

Edit: seriously though. Those are nothing like blood elves so doesnt really blur lines at all.
I would never play one of those but it leaves the faction divide basically untouched.


these a more here for giving people a bigger picture on changing things as many people seem to not really grasp how you can change something but also keep it the same feel, I've updated with more if you would like to see.

While Im not a fan of the wild theme myself, im more of a fan of them not coming off as alliance blood elves, so it works quite well in that regard.
While the more traditional styled elves shown are quite pretty, they're just not distinct enough from blood elves.
So I guess my stance right now would be, sure, go ahead and have the wild ones.
And those ones would go well with the lynx discussed earlier.
All in all im cool with that idea :)
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17/05/2018 22:35Posted by Wolfblood
This whole thing is just one big opinion.


Less "opinion. More "discussion interspersed with segments of petty arguments."

17/05/2018 22:35Posted by Wolfblood
All this comes from is “We are all still salty that Horde got bloodelves 9 years ago, when we should have got that model instead’ QQ


I haven't seen many who claimed Blood Elves should leave the Horde.. Maybe 1 or 2 comments from the same guy..

Blood Elves ≠ High Elves

17/05/2018 22:35Posted by Wolfblood
Pathetic really...


What I find pathetic is going into a thread just to talk smack..

17/05/2018 22:25Posted by Wolfblood
17/05/2018 13:04Posted by Bullnakano
Btw I reported OP


We need more heroes like you!


Waste of time.. A thousand reports won't do anything if the reported post isn't in violation of the forum guidelines.
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17/05/2018 22:28Posted by Moritz
17/05/2018 22:25Posted by CrĂ°w
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/Dulafen/media/cGF0aDovSGlnaF9FbGZfU2tpbl9Ub25lIHYxLnBuZw==/?ref=

http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/Dulafen/media/cGF0aDovU2lsdmVyX0NvdmVuYW50IHYxLmpwZw==/?ref=

I'm sure someone put a lot of work into these but they are the most ugly things I have ever seen.
But if High Elf people like them then I am all for those versions being added.
It in no way steps on the blood elves toes because blood elves get to remain the pretty elves :P

Edit: seriously though. Those are nothing like blood elves so doesnt really blur lines at all.
I would never play one of those but it leaves the faction divide basically untouched.


They are just painted over modeles to give an idea so the hair specially wouldn't look like that in game. But I think it perfectly shows that they can be very different from blood elves while still being high elves.
I don't think they should go overboard on the tribal inspired stuff like the balled head high top braid thing, but the war paint specifically looks pretty nice even on these scetches.
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17/05/2018 22:39Posted by CrĂ°w
17/05/2018 22:35Posted by Wolfblood
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This whole thing is just one big opinion.
All this comes from is “We are all still salty that Horde got bloodelves 9 years ago, when we should have got that model instead’ QQ
Pathetic really...


You couldn't be more wrong I play both horde and Alliance and main my Blood elf on the horde side with my guild who have both alliance and horde guilds as we sometimes like to actually clear the game on the other faction once we have finished the alliance or horde side depending what we pick at that moment in time, I just think a larger variety for the customers is a god send and should always be promoted over being shackled to a select few.


Yeah customisation as in ‘New Stuff’ this isn’t new, we don’t need 3 of the same elf models, we just don’t!
There are so many other endless possibility’s and people are fixated on something Both sides already have.

That is just sad.
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17/05/2018 22:40Posted by Moritz
17/05/2018 22:33Posted by CrĂ°w
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these a more here for giving people a bigger picture on changing things as many people seem to not really grasp how you can change something but also keep it the same feel, I've updated with more if you would like to see.

While Im not a fan of the wild theme myself, im more of a fan of them not coming off as alliance blood elves, so it works quite well in that regard.
While the more traditional styled elves shown are quite pretty, they're just not distinct enough from blood elves.
So I guess my stance right now would be, sure, go ahead and have the wild ones.
And those ones would go well with the lynx discussed earlier.
All in all im cool with that idea :)


Its great to see a open mindset that doesn't particularly please you but you can see the sense in it working quite well this is the type of discussions I enjoy though if you feel there is anything you would change please make it apparent as sometimes a counter opinion on certain aspects can make something even better so if you have a idea yourself please express it.
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17/05/2018 22:35Posted by Wolfblood
This whole thing is just one big opinion.
All this comes from is “We are all still salty that Horde got bloodelves 9 years ago, when we should have got that model instead’ QQ
Pathetic really...


Who would have known a blood elf player would come with such a flawed and bitter post.
No wonder Christie Golden even called blood elves "As bitter as the forsaken" in the new book. Art reflecting real life haha. I just rememberd that, I'm proud of that one.
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17/05/2018 22:43Posted by Wolfblood
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You couldn't be more wrong I play both horde and Alliance and main my Blood elf on the horde side with my guild who have both alliance and horde guilds as we sometimes like to actually clear the game on the other faction once we have finished the alliance or horde side depending what we pick at that moment in time, I just think a larger variety for the customers is a god send and should always be promoted over being shackled to a select few.


Yeah customisation as in ‘New Stuff’ this isn’t new, we don’t need 3 of the same elf models, we just don’t!
There are so many other endless possibility’s and people are fixated on something Both sides already have.

That is just sad.


I have to agree and disagree yes there is endless possibility but these possible choices end up having to either be completely redone models of npcs as most npcs such as tuskkar and san'layn would need a massive overhaul for example in terms of rigging animations and textures., I know this from experience from doing animation and modelling and skinning which overall would be seen as a fresh race than a allied one at that because Allied races focuses on Sub races which is why you'll find tuskarr will no doubt never happen unless they adopt a marketing ploy of making 2 unique races such as kul'tiras and zan trolls which I know are not new races but realistically had the work put into as the same as a new race almost which had 10 times more work put into them
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17/05/2018 22:41Posted by Alyssa
17/05/2018 22:35Posted by Wolfblood
This whole thing is just one big opinion.


Less "opinion. More "discussion interspersed with segments of petty arguments."

17/05/2018 22:35Posted by Wolfblood
All this comes from is “We are all still salty that Horde got bloodelves 9 years ago, when we should have got that model instead’ QQ


I haven't seen many who claimed Blood Elves should leave the Horde.. Maybe 1 or 2 comments from the same guy..

Blood Elves ≠ High Elves

17/05/2018 22:35Posted by Wolfblood
Pathetic really...


What I find pathetic is going into a thread just to talk smack..

17/05/2018 22:25Posted by Wolfblood
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We need more heroes like you!


Waste of time.. A thousand reports won't do anything if the reported post isn't in violation of the forum guidelines.


This whole thread is just ‘smack’
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17/05/2018 22:47Posted by Wolfblood
17/05/2018 22:41Posted by Alyssa
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Less "opinion. More "discussion interspersed with segments of petty arguments."

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I haven't seen many who claimed Blood Elves should leave the Horde.. Maybe 1 or 2 comments from the same guy..

Blood Elves ≠ High Elves

...

What I find pathetic is going into a thread just to talk smack..

...

Waste of time.. A thousand reports won't do anything if the reported post isn't in violation of the forum guidelines.


This whole thread is just ‘smack’


If you could please keep on the topic than speaking out of tone and being rather rude that would be appreciated, thanks.
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17/05/2018 22:43Posted by CrĂ°w
17/05/2018 22:40Posted by Moritz
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While Im not a fan of the wild theme myself, im more of a fan of them not coming off as alliance blood elves, so it works quite well in that regard.
While the more traditional styled elves shown are quite pretty, they're just not distinct enough from blood elves.
So I guess my stance right now would be, sure, go ahead and have the wild ones.
And those ones would go well with the lynx discussed earlier.
All in all im cool with that idea :)


Its great to see a open mindset that doesn't particularly please you but you can see the sense in it working quite well this is the type of discussions I enjoy though if you feel there is anything you would change please make it apparent as sometimes a counter opinion on certain aspects can make something even better so if you have a idea yourself please express it.

I actually don't have anything I would really change apart from the shorter male hair cuts look kinda blood elfy but they are the same race so I suppose some overlap is fine.
That version of the race just isn't my thing. But it doesn't need to be my thing since I'm more than content with my voidy :)
Its a concept that works and doesn't tread on the faction lines too much.
Its something I have no objections being added to the game if it looks like the concept art.
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I like the wild hairstyles and the Kirin Tor model looks different. I'm fine with the wild hairstyles being added with the belf model Horde side, or the Kirin Tor model if they really have to be Alliance. I wouldn't have the wild hairstyle one on Alliance as it still uses the BElf model. I can't really tell if the Kirin Tor uses belf model because the robes hide the body but the facial appearance looks different.
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17/05/2018 22:57Posted by Infuria
I like the wild hairstyles and the Kirin Tor model looks different. I'm fine with the wild hairstyles being added with the belf model Horde side, or the Kirin Tor model if they really have to be Alliance. I wouldn't have the wild hairstyle one on Alliance as it still uses the BElf model. I can't really tell if the Kirin Tor uses belf model because the robes hide the body but the facial appearance looks different.


I think the kirin tor model seems to be a very good depiction on how the High elves should look its still similar but its just different enough in body that you'll see the difference if you look close enough.

and no the Kirin tor model is Unique for the high elves so you could still have your Unique body while we have that body and then a set of preset faces that differ which I think you would no doubt agree with being fine.

High elf Model - https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/976/663/large/kellie-lautier-idlepose.jpg?1479159895

Blood elf model - https://cdn.shazoo.ru/94409_AC3xCq998B_shablon.jpg

The differences are on the width of the stomach and hips and the leg thickness and also the arms are naturally sitting differently from normal blood elves also and the hands themselves are also different being less large same with the boobs and also being slightly different sitting too as they stay in line with the torso rather than push out from it such as the blood elves do which means you keep your better side boob and not having painted nails and curve including the shoulder shape also so it looks more like a natural way the neck is less thick and more liner and soft and the face is more pointed than round like the blood elves the eyes are more slited and curve rather than oval like the blood elves also minor changes that can make a complete difference in a good way.

Edit you'll also find that with blood elves there legs and torso are very much measured to being in the same length where is the kirin tor models torso is shorter than the legs also the feet for the kirin tor high elves model are smaller in length which is all natural traits for a race to have differing from there same kin.