12/11/2018 18:20Posted by
Jesi They are not part of the Alliance... Just like Dark Iron Dwarves were not part of Alliance. Even if few of them fight for Alliance or live on Alliance territory there was no leader to officially make an alliance. Silver Covenant was part of Dalaran and Dalaran is neutral~ Until Vareesa will sign the paper they will always be a guests in Alliance territory and nothing more.
I wonder why they're on Alliance gunships then, and making portals for 7th legion.. Hmmm... Guess they're just guests everywhere.
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/High_elf
Faction/Affiliation
Alliance, The Silver Covenant, Kirin Tor, Argent Crusade, Independent
Character classes
Ranger, Paladin, Hunter, Mage, Priest, Warrior, Warlock, Wizard, Sorcerer, Arcanist, Dead shot, Argent Dawn templar, Scout, Warmage, Necromancer, Battle mage, Archmage, Elven druid[citation needed] (RPG)
Here's part that says they're paladins, for that goblin who said there's no high elf paladins, and then there's faction/affiliation for rest who say there's no high elves in Alliance.
God I'm sorry for embarrasing you guys so much, but you're just asking for it with your "just go play blood elf" comments.
I like this part too:
Racial capital
None, though many reside in Stormwind, Theramore, Dalaran and in other cities of the Alliance (formerly Silvermoon)
Affiliation = the state or relation of being closely associated.
Still not official part of Alliance.
12/11/2018 18:28Posted by
Jesi Affiliation = the state or relation of being closely associated.
Still not official part of Alliance.
A percentage of the high elves, primarily the Alliance pledged ones, ended up making up the majority of the Silver Covenant, the others remained scattered in exile.
Pledged - To swear loyalty to
12/11/2018 18:21Posted by
Skyrha
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're playing a blood elf, sorry you got this news so late, must be embarrasing. Your dear leader Lor'themar made sure to rename your race from high elves to blood elves not to be confused with high elves.
My argument - that you seem to refuse to acknowledge, not sure if you understand it or otherwise - is that the handful of elves that didn't come to defend Silvermoon forfeited their right to their High Elf lineage. They left us. Not the other way round. If they are so adamant to join the Alliance or even set up their own faction so be it. But they can't or at least shouldn't take our name.
And you have to ask yourself - if they hate everything the High Elf culture stands for - why could they even want to call themselves High Elves?
Again, I merely suggesting this is what should happen, in my opinion, I'm not trying to argue with you or against the lore - saying the sky is not blue when it is etc.
But if High Elves are as popular as I think we both agree they are - and you are so adamant that Blood Elves are not them *and* that they would make 10 million people resubscribe if they were Alliance affiliated... why...why has Blizzard not done it?
12/11/2018 18:20Posted by
Jesi They are not part of the Alliance... Just like Dark Iron Dwarves were not part of Alliance. Even if few of them fight for Alliance or live on Alliance territory there was no leader to officially make an alliance. Silver Covenant was part of Dalaran and Dalaran is neutral~ Until Vareesa will sign the paper they will always be a guests in Alliance territory and nothing more.
Human cities hold the highest population density of high elves, Dalaran having the highest concentration, where many are a part of the Kirin Tor and the Silver Covenant. While the Silver Covenant is openly hostile towards their blood elven kin, the Kirin Tor prefers to stay neutral to both the Alliance and Horde. This will later change when Jaina Proudmoore pledges the Kirin Tor to the Alliance.
Silver covenant was never neutral, once again you're writing fan-fiction.
12/11/2018 18:32Posted by
Skyrha 12/11/2018 18:28Posted by
Jesi Affiliation = the state or relation of being closely associated.
Still not official part of Alliance.
A percentage of the high elves, primarily the Alliance pledged ones, ended up making up the majority of the Silver Covenant, the others remained scattered in exile.
Pledged - To swear loyalty to
Even if they pledge~ they are not integral part of it, but more like mercenary on the contract. If they would be part of Alliance then they could not join it as Allied Race.
12/11/2018 18:21Posted by
Skyrha
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're playing a blood elf, sorry you got this news so late, must be embarrasing. Your dear leader Lor'themar made sure to rename your race from high elves to blood elves not to be confused with high elves.
My argument - that you seem to refuse to acknowledge, not sure if you understand it or otherwise - is that the handful of elves that didn't come to defend Silvermoon forfeited their right to their High Elf lineage. They left us. Not the other way round. If they are so adamant to join the Alliance or even set up their own faction so be it. But they can't or at least shouldn't take our name.
And you have to ask yourself - if they hate everything the High Elf culture stands for - why could they even want to call themselves High Elves?
Again, I merely suggesting this is what should happen, in my opinion, I'm not trying to argue with you or against the lore - saying the sky is not blue when it is etc.
But if High Elves are as popular as I think we both agree they are - and you are so adamant that Blood Elves are not them *and* that they would make 10 million people resubscribe if they were Alliance affiliated... why...why has Blizzard not done it?
Go read high elf page on wowwiki, clearly shows blood elves left alliance by throwing a tantrum.
"In the aftermath, some high elves blamed the humans' poor leadership for the burning of their forests. King Terenas of Lordaeron reminded them that nothing of Quel'Thalas would have remained if not for the hundreds of humans that gave their lives to defend it, but nevertheless, the high elves largely abandoned the Alliance. Alleria Windrunner, sister to Sylvanas, and a cadre of her elven rangers remained loyal to Alliance High Command, but they were eventually lost on the other side of the Dark Portal. Her sister Vereesa also advocated continued support to the Alliance after the Grim Batol incident, but Anasterian was not swayed."
They left Alliance, the high elves loyal to Alliance nowadays were in Dalaran and human cities for most part.
And as to why Blizzard didn't add them, you'd have to ask them yourself, blood elves saved Horde in tbc, since barely anyone played Horde before blood elves, now that Alliance is outnumbered, High elves are logical solution.
12/11/2018 18:37Posted by
Jesi 12/11/2018 18:32Posted by
Skyrha ...
A percentage of the high elves, primarily the Alliance pledged ones, ended up making up the majority of the Silver Covenant, the others remained scattered in exile.
Pledged - To swear loyalty to
Even if they pledge~ they are not integral part of it, but more like mercenary on the contract. If they would be part of Alliance then they could not join it as Allied Race.
So if you pledge your loyalty to a faction you aren't part of it? You're a mercenary? Stop humiliating yourself please. Following that logic Taurens aren't part of Horde, even though they've pledged their allegiance to Horde, they're just mercenaries.
12/11/2018 18:39Posted by
Skyrha 12/11/2018 18:37Posted by
Jesi ...
Even if they pledge~ they are not integral part of it, but more like mercenary on the contract. If they would be part of Alliance then they could not join it as Allied Race.
So if you pledge your loyalty to a faction you aren't part of it? You're a mercenary? Stop humiliating yourself please. Following that logic Taurens aren't part of Horde, even though they've pledged their allegiance to Horde, they're just mercenaries.
As I said... They will never become Allied Race if they are part of Alliance. All Allied Races are joining Alliance so if you are right then lets agree for that and close this thread /shrug
12/11/2018 18:38Posted by
Skyrha ...
My argument - that you seem to refuse to acknowledge, not sure if you understand it or otherwise - is that the handful of elves that didn't come to defend Silvermoon forfeited their right to their High Elf lineage. They left us. Not the other way round. If they are so adamant to join the Alliance or even set up their own faction so be it. But they can't or at least shouldn't take our name.
And you have to ask yourself - if they hate everything the High Elf culture stands for - why could they even want to call themselves High Elves?
Again, I merely suggesting this is what should happen, in my opinion, I'm not trying to argue with you or against the lore - saying the sky is not blue when it is etc.
But if High Elves are as popular as I think we both agree they are - and you are so adamant that Blood Elves are not them *and* that they would make 10 million people resubscribe if they were Alliance affiliated... why...why has Blizzard not done it?
Go read high elf page on wowwiki, clearly shows blood elves left alliance by throwing a tantrum.
"In the aftermath, some high elves blamed the humans' poor leadership for the burning of their forests. King Terenas of Lordaeron reminded them that nothing of Quel'Thalas would have remained if not for the hundreds of humans that gave their lives to defend it, but nevertheless, the high elves largely abandoned the Alliance. Alleria Windrunner, sister to Sylvanas, and a cadre of her elven rangers remained loyal to Alliance High Command, but they were eventually lost on the other side of the Dark Portal. Her sister Vereesa also advocated continued support to the Alliance after the Grim Batol incident, but Anasterian was not swayed."
They left Alliance, the high elves loyal to Alliance nowadays were in Dalaran and human cities for most part.
So Vareesa and lets say 100 or so archers can set up a whole faction and call themselves High Elves. I know lore is bent all over the shop in game and fair enough but this is really a bit of a thin base to start a whole faction on.
Also, again, Why do they want to call themselves High Elves... when we're over here being slaughtered and all Sunwell corruptedy. Why didn't they come and defend their favorite barbershop? 'Cause now we don't have any. Thanks to their selfishness.
Also, again, why haven't Blizzard just done it already?
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Go read high elf page on wowwiki, clearly shows blood elves left alliance by throwing a tantrum.
"In the aftermath, some high elves blamed the humans' poor leadership for the burning of their forests. King Terenas of Lordaeron reminded them that nothing of Quel'Thalas would have remained if not for the hundreds of humans that gave their lives to defend it, but nevertheless, the high elves largely abandoned the Alliance. Alleria Windrunner, sister to Sylvanas, and a cadre of her elven rangers remained loyal to Alliance High Command, but they were eventually lost on the other side of the Dark Portal. Her sister Vereesa also advocated continued support to the Alliance after the Grim Batol incident, but Anasterian was not swayed."
They left Alliance, the high elves loyal to Alliance nowadays were in Dalaran and human cities for most part.
So Vareesa and lets say 100 or so archers can set up a whole faction and call themselves High Elves. I know lore is bent all over the shop in game and fair enough but this is really a bit of a thin base to start a whole faction on.
Also, again, Why do they want to call themselves High Elves... when we're over here being slaughtered and all Sunwell corruptedy. Why didn't they come and defend their favorite barbershop? 'Cause now we don't have any. Thanks to their selfishness.
Also, again, why haven't Blizzard just done it already?
If you go read lore, you'd know that they were busy defending dalaran from the scourge, also some are civilians living in human cities, think they'll teleport across fields of scourge to defend Silvermoon with pitchforks? Scourge was on all fronts, thinking High elves from Theramore, Stormwind, Dalaran can make it to Silvermoon and defend their kin is laughable.
Besides, blood elves split from Alliance before the scourge, and remaining high elves that stayed with Alliance had no reason to defend Silvermoon anyway, as it wasn't an Alliance city anymore.
12/11/2018 18:48Posted by
Skyrha ...
So Vareesa and lets say 100 or so archers can set up a whole faction and call themselves High Elves. I know lore is bent all over the shop in game and fair enough but this is really a bit of a thin base to start a whole faction on.
Also, again, Why do they want to call themselves High Elves... when we're over here being slaughtered and all Sunwell corruptedy. Why didn't they come and defend their favorite barbershop? 'Cause now we don't have any. Thanks to their selfishness.
Also, again, why haven't Blizzard just done it already?
If you go read lore, you'd know that they were busy defending dalaran from the scourge, also some are civilians living in human cities, think they'll teleport across fields of scourge to defend Silvermoon with pitchforks? Scourge was on all fronts, thinking High elves from Theramore, Stormwind, Dalaran can make it to Silvermoon and defend their kin is laughable.
Well that's a good enough excuse for me - where shall I send the keys to Silvermoon to?
There's san'layn threads on US, imagine that, people there supporting high elves and san'layn, here we'd slaughter each others just so other side doesn't get something cool, god we're petty
12/11/2018 19:00Posted by
Skyrha There's san'layn threads on US, imagine that, people there supporting high elves and san'layn, here we'd slaughter each others just so other side doesn't get something cool, god we're petty
Void Elves are cool.
ish.
As cool as a sixth toe, it's unique I give you, but it makes no !@#$%^- sense, and no one really wants it.
The argument is semantics High elf is a species/race level designation for a population of pale skinned elves native to the eastern kingdoms that are descended from a group of highborn night elves in exile, Contemporary high elves are split into two distinct cultural groups, the blood elves, who after the events of WC3 developed a unique culture and joined the horde and stopped referring to themselves as 'high elves'. mean while the silver covenant elves kept the use of high elf as as an endonym and joined the alliance.
Yes blood elves are high elves but there distinct from the silver covenant high elves.
lol Jesi what happened to you? You no longer an elf...sigh.
People can writte what they want, but we ask silvercovenant faction playable for alliance. They are in the alliance, they are highelves and they are not blood elves.
So as long as people can't read these two lines, arguing with them that they are blood elves is pointless, ignore and move on.
Thank you.
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I have only one elf. A blood elf, created when TBC came out.
Not a master race in my book.
Most of times i really think that in-game race reflects players personality in real Life. You choose what you are or would like to be.
And i play exclusively only nelves. Have some alts Void/belf. 17 elfs.
lol.
I have alts that are orcs, trolls, taurean, blood elves, goblins, humans and gnomes.
I do have a night elf, but he's way back at level 1.
Perhaps you need to expand your outlook as to what type of character you play otherwise your comment can be considered trolling.
Let us simplify this thing.
Is there a demand for High elves?
I dunno... not really, I would say.
Are there sufficient enough numbers of them lorewise?
I have a vague memory that they were able to deploy a military force that was able to stand equal to the sin'dorei and kael'dorei during the suramar questline, but that may be just my imagination. And I think there was also a small fort in Outlands as well. There are also rumors of hidden high elves in the Hinterlands, but noone has seem them in decades.
Will they be easy to implement?
Ugh, a whole new model... and brand new blue eyes. Blue eyes are complicated. I am not sure Blizzard can do it.
Is there a monetary incentive for them to do it?
Well... I might use a char boost...or five if they are in the game. Just might, mind you. And who knows, maybe I will not even let my subscription expire in a month.
In short... Why are there no High elves ingame already?