In Warcraft lore, there are several undead paladins, and this has been the case since vanilla.
Apparently Blizzard is working on this just like with the other classes.
In Warcraft lore, there are several undead paladins, and this has been the case since vanilla.
Apparently Blizzard is working on this just like with the other classes.
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sources?
“Evian”? “Trust me bro”?
You know what, even in ttw we have light undead npcs, for example ‘‘Risen Footman’’
The door for forsaken to become paladins is already wide open, so don’t be surprised if this happens
Hear! Hear!
Sir Zeliek
It is pretty obvious that those people have been risen against their will, they do not wield light power, the corrupted light power has been forced upon them by fanatical priests. Their light powers (and probably their undeath existence) will most likely end as soon as the priest responsible for this gets killed (similar to necromancer / undead relations).
Undead shouldn’t be paladins period.
I would like to see the sun being a focus for horde light wielding, for Tauren it just makes a lot of sense and for the Blood Elves it could be how they reclaim the light in a non standard human paladin way and maybe rediscover some of their spirituality through Belore after having lost it in their exile to the eastern kingdoms. Maybe even have the Tauren extend knowledge to the blood elves in this regard.
Between Belore from the Blood Elves, An’she from the Tauren (obviously belore and anshe are the same being) and Rezan who is called the morning star which is just a fancy way of saying the sun, I feel like the foundation is already there, they just need to build on it.
I would argue that Calia is not forsaken, or atleast not compatable with the forsaken, she was raised in a very specific way by the light, she is categorically not the same as the forsaken that were raised by necromancy through the scourge and the plague.
Maybe if it came with a forced porcelain calia like skin and no body damage I’d be ok with it but otherwise it makes 0 sense for the average forsaken. I think if anything Hallowfall might be putting in the foundation for this with that story ending in zealouts also using the light to raise the dead in the priory dungeon iirc but again these would be categorically different undead then the Forsaken are.
Forsaken (necromancy) naturally do not feel the decaying of their body, exposure of the light ‘revives’ their bodily senses, suddenly they can feel the rot and the damage of flesh, not a good time at all.
Belore is not a god. Blood elves are atheists. When the blood elves say their phrase they mean it to honor the Sunwell. They never talked about the Sun as in a physical being that somehow is the opposite of Elune. When you want a morning deity play DND instead since Lathander is there.
Paladins are Warrior Priests
So if your race can be both, then it can be a Pally
Now all races can be both, ergo….
Lore reasons? Undead can bre holy priests and monks. If the Light and Chi works for them then they could/should be pallies too. This goes for all races btw.
Lore is long gone troughout the window.
original lore has it Forsaken actually feel pain when casting the light. The race is literally the worst in that combination.
They could have a unique version of death knight that mirrors paladins specs. Heal as Blood, Tank as Unholy and Frost for DPS (or sth like that), as DK is supposedly the dark/unholy version of paladins.
^^ Yes, this is true. However, just because they feel pain doesn’t make it impossible for them to wield the Light. In fact, this could be used to their advantage. Only the most resilient and devoted among them could endure the agony of wielding it.
^^ It could even take a darker turn, akin to certain real-world ascetic practices, where monks self-flagellate as an act of penance to draw closer to their god. Perhaps, for the Forsaken, the ongoing pain of wielding the Light serves to strengthen their connection to it, forging a path of redemption through suffering.
I agree that Belore is not a patron deity of the blood elves and they never worshipped it, but there are a lot of sayings in thalassian which do seem to imply that the sun isnt just a fiery bright ball in the sky to the blood elves but indeed like you say not a patron deity, that was part of why I suggested they involved the Tauren and maybe the Blood elves learning from them.
Going by language alone, with sayings like the sun guides us, child of the sun, by the light of the sun like I said the foundation is there (company internet kill so hard to provide sources but the thalassian wiki page has a few)
In general I’d like to see more of races in factions teaching eachother things and sharing culture without fully exchanging it but thats a different topic
Admittedly ideally for belves I’d like to see the sunwell destroyed and a return to edgy bastard light wielding as that was their coolest form but if thats not an option they will consider I’d like them to do something that makes the belf paladin feel less like a human paladin and building on the belore foundation will imo be a nice alternative and tie in nicely to the other horde races
I read the folks and fairytales book and it is quite obvious that Tauren mythology is just made up bogus. There is no reason to adapt their concept of wiedling sun related magic when all points that blood elves are smart enough to realise that none of the Tauren beliefs are backed up by reality. Shadowlands drove it home making clear only real religions are the holy light and Elune. Shadowlands killed the concept of local or folk religons forever which shows that all shaman races come out as mud slinging savages. Because there was no afterlife for spiritualism.The closest metaphor for the Earth Mother would be Azeroth itself. Which is what Orweyna is doing by directly making a mind reading link with her.
Made up bogus a very boring take on what is likely the oldest mythology accessible to us in the game, I do not think we will agree there which kind of makes the rest moot too.
The light and elune were also just present in the shadowlands, but that doesnt mean thats all there is at the end of the day, we know its not.
As for shamanism, the spirit talking and walking lore still exists, they retconned SL to make the 4 covenants not the only afterlife and a large portion of shamanism is still in guiding the elements and thats something they do in life
In general a very doomer take on the implications of SL, an expansion I dont think Blizzard will refer too often in the future other then maybe concepts introduced in it (domination magic for example)
I get it though, because SL was indeed that damaging to world building, but thankfully I think they’re trying to kind of forget about it other then maybe some of those concepts like domination magic.
We know it exists., But we have enough sources on it by now to realise that whatever the Tauren belief in can’t be checked since the so called “Earthmother” never directly intervened in Azeroth. Elune however showed herself multiple times by now and gave powers to the sisterhood. We know Elune can’t be the eye of Azeroth since she is a different entitiy all by herself. You might hate it but that is the lore Blizzard is giving us. All Tauren do with nature and the world is just a massive metaphor and not a real religion int the sense.
Elune spoke to the dark Trolls/Night elves more intimately then the Tauren yeah, but they found a magical well that taught them Titan words like Kaldorei and reshaped them to be more in tune with Azeroths natural energies, comparing it to real life that’d be like trying to understand existence through astrology vs having a direct hotline to God. Their story being more coherent makes sense.
I would say that tauren mythology is intended to be more vague and mystical as a counterbalance, due to its age and lack of direct interaction between the Taurens and the “Gods” for lack of a better term (what even is a God in wow?) and to approach it with cold logic and to interpret it literally is setting yourself up for failure in its interpretation.
Will come back when regular internet is fixed phoneposting is scuffed
It isn’t vague. It is a legend. We have no actual evidence the Earth Mother ever existed. the Tauren basically mean the world they are living on not a real person.
But the world has a soul and the tauren speak about it as if it has a soul and agency and hell, even eyes. By that logic the world is a person (which I truely do believe because its the soul that makes a person a person and not idk a sack of flesh held up by bones or a ball of rocks floating in space)
If it was just the world they were living on, they wouldn’t add ‘mother’ to the earth part. The addition name itself automatically personifies the earth mother.
And I would sooner say we have nothing to tie the earth mother to Azeroths soul in any meaningful way but at the same time its kind of very heavily implied to the point where I’m willing to put my hand in fire over it.
And this is what I meant with if you read the Tauren legends and take them at face value and assume they are literally talking with 0 sense of spirituality, you will indeed come to very cold conclusions of, the earth mother is just dirt they walk on