100% agree
Rated solo battlegrounds, what do you think?
Yes, but the 20-30 min queues make me want to quit.
How can you deal with such queues??
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I just deal with it.
I que bgs also but thing is when it’s always premade u can still do solo shuffle with deserter debuff.
Fix will be, if there is gear bracket in que. Often in premades, team is just outgeared/outhealled. If blizzard focus on heal and ilvl grouping things will be better. It’s shame that sometimes in epic BGs my team miss tanks/heals or even booth.
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thats because its common sense and human nature to fight fire with fire, until nobody is left to actually enjoy the game, be glad lots of us don’t stoop that low.
Believe it or not, using fire to fight fire is an effective and common technique used by firefighters, creating fire breaks with controlled burns.
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i believe it, but thats basically the only scenario where it works
what most are doing here, is throwing gasoline paper and wood in the fire and wonder why its spreading
It’s really bad at the moment and it’s prevalent on both factions. People flame me for not rezzing when we’re being graveyard-camped by premades right off the bat after wiping us at the start but what’s the point when you’re just playing their game by allowing them to farm you?
Blizz needs to come up with an algorithm that detects when more than five people are queuing at the same time and prevent 10/15 man BGs from becoming full premades. Hell, there’s even epic BGs that have up to 15 from the same group queuing into the same epic BG via Discord. How do I know this? Because I’ve seen it done.
Queuing as friends is fine and that’s why you’re allowed to do it as a five-man group but anything more than that should be disallowed because currently both normal and epic BGs are being ruined by premades.
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exactly, but the problem is far more rooted than premades, insane damage and depends normally who has most melee and hunters. Destro are in a good position but no match against.
Though I understand people wanting to play with friends, most are together to just romp stomp, and the advantage over a casual player is massive, they normally have a well balanced group, they have discord and in cases target caller, they will have a gear advantage, and normally top dedicated healers who are protected, strategy already made.
Though Blizz allow these premades and most are legit groups they are detrimental to the pvp side of the game, ques have gone from 2mins to now 6-8mins and will only get worse with the hap hazard balancing, and the 2-3 shot killing.
Also faced a 20+ Russian premade in AV other day, and a full 10 man french premade same server, which is abusing the que system.
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nobody seems to grasp that in the long run, this is detrimental to the game, queues, etc
its always too late to solve problems, but its always fun as long as you are not the one who’s going though these kind of things or “just leave and join later”
kind of 12 years old answers of people who don’t see the problem in sitting 10 minutes queue to face a 15 minutes deserter on a game you are paying a month fee, only to be matched again after another 10 minutes q vs the same people camping gy… one or two game you can brush it off, but when its 80% of your games its start to really annoy you, at the 5th deserter i found myself playing more on my phone while waiting deserter ran off as i already did all world quests and events i needed
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They can’t stop it. What do you do when there are 12 groups queuing at the same time? How do you know whether or not they are a pre-made or not?
Nah, You can’t ask for 40v40 PvP and then limit the amount of people you can play with to 5.
Some do, some don’t. Not every pre-made cares about this. I know 3 different pre-made communities that will literally accept anyone as long as they are on Discord and listen to instructions.
With the amount (and size) of pre-mades I’d say you’re wrong. Your complaint has been passed on for years, and so far I have yet to see any of the detriment you’re talking about.
This premade problem is the same as twinks in bfa. Make them fight other premades, if there are so many as u say.
They can play rated or wargames but no lets exploit full premade to fight randoms… 
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Does happen
Point me to rated epic battlegrounds.
Way too much organizing and no rewards, not an option.
Blame Blizzard for not catering organized PvP with more than 10 people.
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Dont you see that these premades are actually helping destroy the casual pvp in randoms, For ally these are the longest ques since I can remember, . Some people who play pvp are limited how much they can play, to come on and face 5 out of 6 premade randoms is no fun for the casual, and as such, my pvp friend list has gone from 12 to 1 player.
Alot of people dont want to join voice or discord, or to join a community, yes balance/gear has been a part of leaving, but its the romp stomp I believe has contributed to most of the base leaving in droves .
If I wasnt for friends I have in guild and discord I would hang up my wand also.
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Aaaaa… rated bg but meh there are no randoms in those. But i see you are ie
Maybe wow will end being an elitist exploiters only game and they will not want to play against eachother… and then bye bye wow
All this premades is because u can upgrade conquest gear with honor. WOD did pvp so much better.
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Pre-mades are also what keeps a lot of people playing, so it goes both ways.
I see you are not familiar with this game. Rated is 10v10.
Thats the point… the game gives u the solution. Make your premade go play rated. But meh exploiting is easier, then facing another premade.