Just came here because of this just happening to me.
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well there are lots of 3k+ rets. and even multiple 3,4 k. maybe few of them played sub ret 
and this is only eu. i remember watching some us ret sub
Are you just arguing because you want yo disagree or are you convinced that double pala sub was a good comp in the BfA 8.3 meta ?
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well multiple rank 1 with that comp. soooo
From what I’ve seen myself your win condition with sub/ret is to global someone with ret’s cd so it’s very fun to play except ret/destro ret/arm ret/hunt for example.
Multiple rank ones with Turbo.
Multiple rank ones Ret Destro.
Multiple rank ones Hunter Warlock (I even saw some Demono Survival in R1 range at one point, didn’t check if they made it or dropped).
Multiple rank ones Ret Arms Rsham.
Multiple rank ones Arms Ele X (hpal or mw mostly).
I would almost claim that close to every comp that has always existed but isn’t good in this meta has at least one rank one representative.
I don’t think the ground you stand on is very solid.
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Sorry man you are right every other comp other than rmpala and mlp is unplayable bad comp
There is a difference between unplayable and bad, and not a good meta comp, at a disadvantage against most.
It’s not either trash or S+.
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That is what i mean. Ret sub is good comp. not s+ not trash. You asked me if ret sub is good i said yeah that it is
spriest is a lot worse they are absolutely disgusting
Jesus, people are already crying?
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hope they nerff ret and sub rogue to the ground where they shlud always be
Ret damage is almost guarenteed gonna be nerfed to the ground, called it over a month ago, when people were PTR testing the new toolkit. It sucks that all Ret paladins I know, and the most known ones in the community, all advocated for a damage reduction, but begged for just a crumb of mobility. Knowing Blizz, they will nerf the damage and call it a day, rendering Ret a meme for 2’s like most of BFA
It’s somewhat remniscent of the WotLK prepatch where Retribution Paladins also enjoyed a moment in the sun where they were absolutely overpowered and broken. And then Ghostcrawler swung the nerfhammer. 
Good times. Prepatch is prepatch. Just flow with it.
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These threads. Same old same old.
Ret performing good? “NERF !!! DELETE !!! NOW !!!”
Sub rogue performing alot better and much harder to counter ?
“LOL KEK RAOUGES ARE SUPPOEOUSED TO BE GUD LOL KEK”
People are still buthurt because ret, enh, feral among others have been good at some point in this game.
Yet no one complains about pure dps classes that have had at least one but more often 2/3 op specs ever since vanilla.
I guess some classes are just not meant to be allowed to perform well. While others get away with well just about anything.
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Lol ret heals are abysmal, no dps class should heal for 50% hp with 1 healing spell, that counts also for shadow priests and prot paladins…
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And how long do you think this will last?
Its probably not even gonna go live, ret will be one of the first to be nerfed to the gutter.
Also wouldnt invest to hard in playing sub rogue, they also have a history in being op in prepatch/early expac and then fall for the nerfhammer.
What about shadow priests? Ele shamans? MM hunter? ALL Mage specs? Balance Druids? Feral Druids? Arms warrior?
All these can do disgusting burst. And some of these listed also have crazy survivability.
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Why? Because they can finally play the game? 
Why does a Priest care anyways? Just play SP/Lock/X or RMP by bashing your head to the keyboard and collect free puntos versus them regardless?
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Just did a few ranked matches and while shadow is pretty strong, there are many other specs that do insane damage. Arm/rshammy was insane aswell, lost most matchups against that comp. Insane damage.
Prepatch shenanigans.