Rework Cyclone

[Yojeong-kazzak]

@Yojeong-kazzak

In what way does it prove cyclone itself isnt a problem? It got buffed going from 10.0 to 10.1. Just saying. Apparently wasnt a big problem then either?

Was my question. If a “nerf to 5 sec” would been some kind of problem, is there a reason druids didnt complain during 10.0 about it?
I know you came from your direction of OPs post, but that was not my argument.

Cyclone was not a problem when it were 5-5.2 sec duration.
Your belief is that representation proves if a spell or skill is a problem.
First it was RSS. Then it became not RSS but tournaments because rogues came into talk so RSS didnt fullfill your reasoning anymore.

@Broxis-blackrock

i mean sure i take something like dark pact, coil and port if cyclone works like fear. But is that really good game design if we make all specs the same?

I personally never said it should work like fear. Any changes to Cyclone is up to discussions if there is any need for it. You have yet to actually give a good reasoning beyond “Nothing is wrong, just counter bro” which can also be applied to rogues then.

@Broxis-blackrock

and i still dont see any issue with it. If i see an issue with something i need to explain first WHY it is an issue and strengthen my arguments with actual numbers or facts.
There is not a single argument based on numbers or facts why cyclone should be “reworked”.

Thats for you personally. You basically are like Whisperer in that sense, you believe theres nothing wrong, you ignore what ppl write and just say its “nonsense” instead of talking on why its not a problem.
But the only “its not a problem” is due to representation.
“If its so OP why isnt more abusing it !!!”
Yeah, so dont nerf sub rogues at all. No changes is needed since not enough ppl are abusing it. Tournaments dont affect you at all. All it can do is indicate but it wont tell you why.

@Broxis-blackrock

i already said boomy was too good because of precog, owlkin adapt haste and the 30% healing/dmg debuff after every clone. They nerfed all these 3 and since then boomy isnt overperfoming anymore according to ANY statistic.
Dont put words in my mouth i did not say.

I looked back at what you wrote before. Its not me “putting words in your mouth”.
If you would have even considered it to be “an issue” you would have called boomies more than just “S tier”. If something is broken, its higher.

@Broxisqt-blackrock

Boomy is s tier right now.

To bring it down a bit (destro and mw need the same treatment) you should be looking at owlkin adapt and maybe overall dot dmg.

owlkin + precog and high sustain dmg with no need to cast make the spec really good but only really on higher ratings where people know how to kite and position and dont take dmg on boomy that is where the spec is actually strong.

Was one of your quotes early in the season. Cant remember if you wrote anything about when moon buffs were in before they nerfed it after quite awhile.

@Broxis-blackrock

3s, shuffle and tournament statistics is just the best metric for identifying overperforming specs. If you have better metrics please tell me.

Statistics wont tell you if “cyclone” is too strong.
Representation wont tell you if a skill or spell is too strong otherwise I guess everyone at the top have a spell or skill that needs to be changed since thats whats breaking it and not just numbers.

@Broxis-blackrock

??? if you claim cyclone needs to be reworked its your duty to give arguments/statistics that favor your claim.

If you want discussions about potential changes to a skill or spell you dont outright have to give statistics to prove your point of forcing it.
“These are the reasons why that would be a bad idea and this is the only real change that could happen without making it worthless/useless even if I dont see a reason why” could have been a good point on your side. Instead its representation and nothing wrong.

@Broxis-blackrock

There was still not a single argument on why the SPELL Cyclone itself needs to be reworked.

You mean arguments you dont agree with so they dont exist.

@Broxis-blackrock

actually cba discussing about this topic here anymore. There are topics like this everyday where people want other specs/talents to be nerfed because of their own incompetence.

Then dont discuss? If you have issues discussing about something in a good way, then its always better to just ignore it and move on. The likelihood of any of the discussions on the PvP forum to ever be put into the game is next to 0.
Sometimes its just not worth it